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Ddou15y ago#61
hey guys,

can i know the meaning of critically assess in your mind?
For my understanding through the website, i knew that critically assess is weigh arguments for and against something, assessing all evidence. Decide which opinions, theories, models or items are preferable. So, measurement will be needed??hmm...

and the notional interest of capital, in the question 1, i get from bpp text book that it was WACC, so i think many of us is getting wrong, even by using the assumption, except the examiner 'planned' to give more people pass, thus they will give more sympathetic marks. (pray to the GOD!lol)

Any ideas for question 2 about the evaluate the performance measure? I just felt examiner is testing us about the understanding on the using of BSC. Thus the measurement method make me feel little bit weird. Will you use share price to evaluate your company financial perspectives? i think NOT,because it was depends on the markets and you are not controllable on it. So if you show it, it was not related to your company performance for the year, right?(As profit margin or ROCE is more likely that you can control on it.)
*Share price changes is based on supply and demand and only can say the company had attracted new investors.

Q3,building block. A) part is bonus, it just want us show out the detail of building block, it was purely like fundamental level style. So, they was testing do you study the models before coming to the exam.

And q4 is rush for me,because i put too many times on the transfer pricing to understand what they are talking about. it was really messy question if compare to the questions i did before.

Anyway, i just hope for a pass, no need flying colour! REALLY, pray hard for everyone. Then most of us can graduate and throw the books away permanently.

MASTER!! I hope i can come it in this year!
Former userFormer user15y ago#62
This was a deceptively hard exam. The questions looked easy until you started to do them, then they turned out to be a nightmare. For the time allocated to each question, it was impossible to provide a proper answer and analysis. There wasn't time to absorb what the scenarios were about, you just had to write, write, write and hope you wrote something decent. It was totally unrealistic for a 3 hour paper.
Former userFormer user15y ago#63
I lost P5 last time by 2 marks, was not well prepared. I was far well prepared for this time as this is my last paper,but couldn't do well. The issue i think here is forcing us to use wrong models for wrong scenario's. How can you use BCG model for appraisal with out proper comparisons. Why would some one want to use balanced scorecard for evaluating a regulator and lastly we are not researchers to assesses why an unsuitable model doesn't suit ? These are my opinions atleast. Exam was time pressured, Attempted everything something. fingers crossed
Former userFormer user15y ago#64
this exam was weird, its like you knw all the topics but to use knowledge there was no thinking time! i spend most of the exam panicking about time ... but reasonably challenging .........
Former userFormer user15y ago#65
The exam topics were ok especially building block and bcg matrix, my bad question was question 1 which i didn't get to finish. For this paper the time goes by extremely fast, i hope that i can finish ACCA this sitting.
Bbinhminhquang15y ago#66
It is not too bad at last. However, pass is the other side of life. Hope to receive a good result on Aug 11 and to be affiliate then. Wish you all the best!
Former userFormer user15y ago#67
this was a tough exam .... i hope i ll get through ....
Former userFormer user15y ago#68
@dou said:
hey guys,

can i know the meaning of critically assess in your mind?
For my understanding through the website, i knew that critically assess is weigh arguments for and against something, assessing all evidence. Decide which opinions, theories, models or items are preferable. So, measurement will be needed??hmm...

and the notional interest of capital, in the question 1, i get from bpp text book that it was WACC, so i think many of us is getting wrong, even by using the assumption, except the examiner 'planned' to give more people pass, thus they will give more sympathetic marks. (pray to the GOD!lol)

Any ideas for question 2 about the evaluate the performance measure? I just felt examiner is testing us about the understanding on the using of BSC. Thus the measurement method make me feel little bit weird. Will you use share price to evaluate your company financial perspectives? i think NOT,because it was depends on the markets and you are not controllable on it. So if you show it, it was not related to your company performance for the year, right?(As profit margin or ROCE is more likely that you can control on it.)
*Share price changes is based on supply and demand and only can say the company had attracted new investors.

Q3,building block. A) part is bonus, it just want us show out the detail of building block, it was purely like fundamental level style. So, they was testing do you study the models before coming to the exam.

And q4 is rush for me,because i put too many times on the transfer pricing to understand what they are talking about. it was really messy question if compare to the questions i did before.

Anyway, i just hope for a pass, no need flying colour! REALLY, pray hard for everyone. Then most of us can graduate and throw the books away permanently.

MASTER!! I hope i can come it in this year!


greetings

honestly were we really suppose to calc. EVA and RI after explaining their pros and cons. I think it was a trap to lure everyone in calc.them. This examiner hates numbers, hes got alaphabetphobia i guess.

q2 regarding bsc assessment , s/price and eps do not provide l/term s/holder value as this was the aim of company, I suggested NPV ,EVA ..ROCE and operating profit are s/term measures dont link eid s/hlder value..
Former userFormer user15y ago#69
except q5 the other questions were fair but - THE TIME
Former userFormer user15y ago#70
close to a year now but not even a single article from this examiner.yet he uses prev examiners' articles as source of his questions! am i missing something here? if not, someone must be lazy and unresourceful!!
Ddrchok15y ago#71
I thought the exam was fair enough - models were fairly standard and the examiner had hinted on several occasions that he wanted to move away from mindless calculations and more towards the analysis of information - 'finding nuggets of gold' within a sea of information.

For Q1 I thought the notional interest rate of 9% was something used for the RI calc as it is chosen based on the risk involved. I don't think this is the rate that should be used for WACC however as this should be the actual interest rate charged. I presumed a debt/equity split of 100% in favour of debt as equity was not given i thought.

Time pressure was a factor and was the reason i failed last time but i found as long as i was ruthless with the 1.5 minutes per mark rule it wasn't too bad.

here's to getting a PASS come August (fingers crossed). good luck everyone
Former userFormer user15y ago#72
Q#1- Tricky and took lot of time
Q#2- Balanced scorecard Lengthy but OK
Q#3- Building Blocks model again time pressure as Q 1 and 2 consume all
Q#4- BCG Matrix Totally missed out (time out for me)
I was very well prepared for this exam but after looking question 1 and 2 it was nightmare for me as every question has 4 parts very lengthy. Last paper for me but surely not gonna be qualified in this attempt i think this paper also requires similar approach as p3.
Former userFormer user15y ago#73
My god, what a nightmare, at first I thought the questions seemed ok, I have covered and practiced EVA/RI/ROI etc, plus transfer pricing, balanced scoreboard and BGC but I dont' understand how it was possible to answer 4 questions in the 3hrs, I didn't have even time to read the BGC question properly as panic kicked in becuase of lack of time! I was really hopign this was my last exam, looks like I'll be retaking in December argh!!
Former userFormer user15y ago#74
@jenniedawnwilson1 said:
Hi All

Without going into too much detail, famous last words, my main sticking points were.

Q1- a)straight away i spotted the overhead allocation and couldnt decide whether the figures for the calcs should include them, or act as if they werent there?? i ended up doing two sets of calcs, one lot including them, one lot without. i knew this wasnt ideal, but i thought if i made a call either way it would be wrong!
Also wasnt the whole point in the
WACC that there was no share capital, it was just debt, so the wacc was just the the debt (100%x whateva the cost of debt was)?

Q1-b) how annoying, i was actually hoping trf pricing would come up, but the way he worded the question was so weird i didnt actually understand what was going on in the scenario (i wrote this on my exam paper).

Q2 & 3- were fine in a sense, but felt 20 marks for basically just talking about a model related to the scenario was too heavily weighted. felt like i was kind of repeating myself a lot.

Q5- i only picked this because when i saw the
BCG i panicked, i hadnt looked at this since studying p3! Again annoyingly, I had studied Environmental Management Accounting, it was tipped by the tutor, but it was only when got to this question (in the last 20 mins of the exam) i realised they were talking about 3 different types?? I knew what it was, the advantages, why people would use it, the costs etc. but didnt even know there were 3 types. When i got home and looked in the text book, there were indeed 3 types! Messed that one up then!

Overall I think although ok from the outset, there were a lot of marks on very few areas, obscure areas of the syllabus were tested (apart from q1), and he needs to explain himself better in the questions. I best have passed, cos i cant be bothered sitting this one again!

Guess that was a bit too much detail! OOPS!

Hey, I found your post hilarious and thought provoking at the same time. I didn't include the arbitrary HQ overheads (I stated this) because they are non relevant costs. However, what was confusing was whether to start the calculation of NOPAT from after tax profits OR from the operating profit. I chose to start from operating profits; added back depreciation and all non relevant costs then calculated tax to arrive at the NOPAT. Well if this were wrong then I would blame the various ACCA study material providers. There isn't consistency in their approach.

The transfer pricing was very annoying. I didn't know what the heck to do with the external provider's price of 200 (I can't remember the exact figure) althoug I worked out that the transfer price should be greater than the supplying division's cost but less than the receiving divisions SP less VC.

The BCG was absolute bol locks. I calculated the market growth and market share but couldn't figure out were the heck in the matrix it went. The could have gone anywhere! It was like game flipping theory. I think I may have left a question unaswered on that part.

There was another EVA question funnily enough. I answered it but I thought there was some crucial info I was missing? Why would he want to bring up EVA again? In the same paper! Clearly a ruse but I didn't have enough time to figure out where the trip wires lay.

On a whole I think I left like 16 marks unanswered. I feel tuition perhaps could have bridged this gap. I have sat the last 8 papers working in a crappy lanscaping job and without any tutorial help. I will feel very hard done by if I were to fail this paper again (missed out by 3 marks the last time). But the thing is- would the examiner know I were self taught and would he give a damn?
Former userFormer user15y ago#75
I felt that the examiner was asking the same things over and over...
Former userFormer user15y ago#76
Can someone please tell me briefly what the criteria for transfer pricing are?
Former userFormer user15y ago#77
@joe46 said:
Can someone please tell me briefly what the criteria for transfer pricing are as asked in the exam?
Former userFormer user15y ago#78
wacko2408 u right dude, we beginin to lose focus. Going for a different option in Dec. This is has gone on for far too long!
Former userFormer user15y ago#79
Overall paper was tricky and time pressured. But I hope to pass.

Q1 - lot of easy bits like RI,ROI, EVA, T/F pricing theory (difficult cal.), ERPS theory, report structure etc were the easy bits. Time well spent on these parts.

Q2 - I say lot of repetition and points were mostly picked from the question itself. Good time management here.

Q3 - First part easy, second part need bit of imagination on performance measurement - wasted few minutes thinking but eventually came up with some points while using info. from questions, part three bit confusing but wrote points how to F&Moon will help in improvements which I thought not bad in the end, lot of points to talk about in the questions.

At first instance part 2 and 3 looks dauting but later seems fine.

Q4 - during reading time i thought will do this, but when actually came to this questions was under time pressure and panicked could not able to thing anything. so just left it.

Q5- again at first seems difficult but there was lot of information was given in the questions itself.

part one - about cost which are carbor emmission, water recycling etc.
part two- need to talk about abc, life cycle and input about costing at strategic and enviormental level.
part three - bit tricky but eventually wrote few points in the performance measurement.

Oveall I think it was really time pressured and paniky exam, what was required is to keep cool and do what you know instread thinking about what you dont know. Time management I think is the key to pass, do not required high technical competence.
Mmichreynolds15y ago#80
The Questions are now viewable on ACCA's website
Sshine0515y ago#81
It seems that my self-confidence has reduced over time...After doing P5 paper, I thought that "Wow, it is good...". However, after reading other friends' comments and comparing that with my works, i delightfully thought that "I could pass with 60%...". But now, when ACCA issued questions of Jun 2011, the probability of passing is...I dare not think more!!!
Former userFormer user15y ago#82
This paper seemed doable on the outset. But, when it was time to link the scenario with the required model, there were not enough ideas / points to write…

Question 1 took so much of time in tackling the requirements asked in part (a) & (b) that it impacted the time allocated for next three questions, and hence I had to rush through question 3 & 4.
Former userFormer user15y ago#83
P5 June 2011 questions been removed from ACCA website. I viewed it yesterday though. Not sure why?

https://www2.accaglobal.com/students/acca/exams/p5/past_papers
Former userFormer user15y ago#84
Sorry, can view the June 2011 questions now, system error
Former userFormer user15y ago#85
Hi everybody :)
firstly, wish good luck to all of us cause we really need it!)))
not for the first time for P-level papers I can not read carefully all the questions within 15 minutes((( so I lost 5 minutes on it(((
i was stuck on transfer pricing in q1 trying to understand what the examiner said... so lost 12 marks and a lot of time for it(((
q2 - not bad but not good, and balanced scorecard is not my favourite)))
q3 - did not attempted because i could not remember these blocks: either they were not in my study text or in my head))
q4 - a present from examiner, but a little bit tricky in last part
q5 - i expected EMA, read the article. a & b parts were ok, but for ? i can't imagine what I should write for 7 marks.. wrote two sentences.

hope for 50 marks:)
Former userFormer user15y ago#86
Its was okay.
Former userFormer user15y ago#87
It was okay. though mixed up RI & EVA. But BCG, building blocks, balance score card are all topics actively used.
Former userFormer user15y ago#88
The questions were way tooooooooo long and there in no way I could have finished even the first two questions let alon all four questions. It is really very disappointing to work (study) so hard and fail not because of lack of knowledge or exam technique but due to unfairly long questions.....

Badly disappointed
Former userFormer user15y ago#89
You hit the nail on the head tekte - It really is very disappointing as I am sure by now I must know this subject as well as the examiner but in exam conditions with the questions the way they were asked this sitting was to me beyond passing.
I just hope the examiner reads the comments left and takes them into consideration when setting the marking scripts.
Former userFormer user15y ago#90
too many questions to be attempted and time was limited
q on transfer pricing was difficult
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