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Former userFormer user16y ago#91
@acltang72

There was no slack, both constraints were binding.
7x250 + 5x350 = 3500 = hours available
2x250 + 2x350 = 1200 = meters available

So there were two shadow prices.
Former userFormer user16y ago#92
paula13 said 1 hour, 26 minutes ago:
@acltang72

There was no slack, both constraints were binding.
7×250 + 5×350 = 3500 = hours available
2×250 + 2×350 = 1200 = meters available

So there were two shadow prices.

you are right... but i don't think those calculations were needed. :)
Ppassfirsttime16y ago#93
Glad to see it, but a bit chilling!!!
Anyone know when the model answers will come up?
Or will that have to wait until after the result?


blockquote>@manjula93 said:
Question paper has come on ACCA website.
Ppassfirsttime16y ago#94
Glad to see it, but a bit chilling!!!
Anyone know when the model answers will come up?
Or will that have to wait until after the result?


blockquote>@manjula93 said:
Question paper has come on ACCA website.
Former userFormer user16y ago#95
@saad0090 said:
any1 plz cup up with a logical arguemnt why this isnt correct???


I think that you have got the contibution for each constraint mixed up- they appear to have been calculated the wrong way round-check the paper out
on ACCA site
Former userFormer user16y ago#96
i think my question 1 ABC is wrong .
in traditional method i was calculated Overhead 400000/800 = 500 but i think correct answer was 400000/40000 = 4

also my ABC part wrong i am doing
superviser/visit 90000/500 = 180
planner /hours 70000/40000 = 1.75
property related/ document 240000/250 = 960
i think my part 1 was wrong,
but i dont know about part 2 any one help ?
Aarleneld16y ago#97
@navrozkaredia said:
i think my question 1 ABC is wrong .
in traditional method i was calculated Overhead 400000/800 = 500 but i think correct answer was 400000/40000 = 4

also my ABC part wrong i am doing
superviser/visit 90000/500 = 180
planner /hours 70000/40000 = 1.75
property related/ document 240000/250 = 960
i think my part 1 was wrong,
but i dont know about part 2 any one help ?

I just did it as it said on the paper:
90,000/500
70,000/250
240,000/40,000
but have no idea if that is correct ??
Aarleneld16y ago#98
For the first question, I think (cant quite remember exactly...)
a) using labour hours

GL 3500+4500+3000 = $10260
EX 8000+7500+5000 = $20500

b) using ABC
3500+4500+2260 = $10260
8000+7500+5480 = $20980

Unfortunatly I have lost 10 whole marks in the 2nd section - I had no idea.... :(
What did everyone else write in c and d ?
(Just to make me feel worse...)
I struggled with the theory all the way through, and my calculations were not perfect, I think Im looking at 45%
Im not too despondant though, as I did teach myself!
Aarleneld16y ago#99
@acltang72 said:
I don't understand how people managed to get 2 shadow prices. Shadow price is the additional contribution earned from one additional unit of SCARCE resource. The scarce resource was the tailor time. For example you can't possibly use up the maximum fabric of 240 L suits because tailor time limits production to 200 L suits. (There is a slack of fabric so therefore no shadow price as it's not a scarce resource). Could be wrong, but that's what I did.

Also that contract offer of pay at 3 times should have been rejected. Calculate the contribution less the labour costs of the original and new contract and you should find that the new contract generates less contribution.

The question about the manager manipulating the company records was about budgetary bias and slack. Well that's what I assumed. I gave a definition and an example.

One thing I remember being stuck on was how can there possibly be 150 staff days in a quarter when there are only 90 days in a quarter (3 months x 30)....... I ignored the staff days and just used the normal days. But I'm sure I won't lose many marks if its wrong. I'm pretty sure I got target 2 and 3 right. For target 2 I got NIL bonus for quarter 1 only, and NIL bonus for quarter 1 and 2.

For the staff lateness' I mentioned that it may not be controllable as the lateness was at its greatest during quarter 2 and 3. Quarter 2 and 3 was during Autumn and Winter seasons, where traffic, train delays & staff illness are at it's worst due to poor weather, therefore uncontrollable.

Hope for 50!

I was a bit confused about the 450 staff days, but then I though there will be several members of staff - 5 ?
5*90 = 450
Former userFormer user16y ago#100
overall easy paper, some areas which i was expecting did not apear at all.

naeem
Ttameablebunchy16y ago#101
Opentuition, thank you very much, you really made the material very clear and easier to grasp, keep up the good work. Overall the paper was very good, i attempted all questions and I believed I should gain the 50 marks for pass. I believe the paper was about 55% theoretical which gave me the opportunity to gain a bit more marks than with straight calculations.

Good luck to all F5
Ttameablebunchy16y ago#102
@arleneld said:
I was a bit confused about the 450 staff days, but then I though there will be several members of staff - 5 ?
5*90 = 450


the question clearly stated both material and tailors were in short supply therefore limited and shadow prices had to be calculated for both.
Aarleneld16y ago#103
@tameablebunchy said:
the question clearly stated both material and tailors were in short supply therefore limited and shadow prices had to be calculated for both.

Was this meant for me ? I was talking about q5 .
I am the opposite to you, I am better at calculations, not theory....
Former userFormer user16y ago#104
for the staff days in question 5
no need to calculate staff numbers, just
staff on duty days/overall days
like 450 days/450+20
where 20 represents the staff not on duty that the question already gives such info
Kkeeva16y ago#105
My version:
1. BBB
a)
GC EX
Materials $3,500.00 $8,000.00
Labour costs ($15) $4,500.00 $7,500.00
Overheads * $3,000.00 $5,000.00
Cost $11,000.00 $20,500.00
Mark-up (50%) $5,500.00 $10,250.00
Quoted price $16,500.00 $30,750.00

* O.A.R. = 400.000/ 40.000 = $10 per hour
Kkeeva16y ago#106
b) ABC

Activity Cost driver Rate
Supervising $90,000.00 No of site visits 500.00 $180.00 per site visit
Planning $70,000.00 No of plann doc 250.00 $280.00 per document
Property related $240,000.00 No of lab h 40,000.00 $6.00 per hour
TOTAL $400,000.00


GC EX
Materials $3,500.00 $8,000.00
Labour costs ($15) $4,500.00 $7,500.00
Supervising $180.00 $1,080.00
Planning $280.00 $1,400.00
Property costs $1,800.00 $3,000.00
Cost $10,260.00 $20,980.00
Mark-up (50%) $5,130.00 $10,490.00
Quoted price $15,390.00 $31,470.00
I hope it's ok...what do u think?
Former userFormer user16y ago#107
7W+5L = 3500
2W+2L = 1201 (if I calculate it for tailor’s time)
i still didn't understand the calculation with this, my one shadow price was 10 but was unable to calculate it for the tailors time, can anybody solve here this for me
Former userFormer user16y ago#108
@navrozkaredia said:
i think my question 1 ABC is wrong .
in traditional method i was calculated Overhead 400000/800 = 500 but i think correct answer was 400000/40000 = 4

also my ABC part wrong i am doing
superviser/visit 90000/500 = 180
planner /hours 70000/40000 = 1.75
property related/ document 240000/250 = 960
i think my part 1 was wrong,
but i dont know about part 2 any one help ?


Actually it give 10 $ per hour rate instead of 4, redo your calculations, dividing 4000000/40000 gives 10
Kkeeva16y ago#109
@ahsanpervaiz said:
7W+5L = 3500
2W+2L = 1201 (if I calculate it for tailor’s time)
i still didn't understand the calculation with this, my one shadow price was 10 but was unable to calculate it for the tailors time, can anybody solve here this for me

Here it is:
7W+5L = 3500
2W+2L = 1201
W = (1201 - 2L) /2 and replace it in the first one:
(8407 - 14L)/2 + 5L = 3500
8407 - 14L +10 L = 7000
-4L = -1407
L=351.75
W = (1201 - 2*351.75)/2 = (1201 - 703.5)/2 = 248.75
Based on these, the new contribution is:
C = 48 * 248.75 + 40 * 351.75 = 11940 + 14070 = 26010
The"old" contribution was 26.000, so, indeed the Sh price is $10
Kkeeva16y ago#110
7W + 5L = 3501
2W + 2L = 1200
W = (1200 - 2L)/2 = 600 - L
7 (600 - L) + 5L = 3501
4200 - 7L + 5L = 3501
-2L = -699
L = 349.50
W = 250.50
New contribution = 48*250.5 + 40 *349.5 = 12024 + 13980 = 26004
Old contribution = 26000
The sh price = $4 (for tailor's time)
Former userFormer user16y ago#111
@keeva said:
My version:
1. BBB
a)
GC EX
Materials $3,500.00 $8,000.00
Labour costs ($15) $4,500.00 $7,500.00
Overheads * $3,000.00 $5,000.00
Cost $11,000.00 $20,500.00
Mark-up (50%) $5,500.00 $10,250.00
Quoted price $16,500.00 $30,750.00

* O.A.R. = 400.000/ 40.000 = $10 per hour

@keeva said:
b) ABC

Activity Cost driver Rate
Supervising $90,000.00 No of site visits 500.00 $180.00 per site visit
Planning $70,000.00 No of plann doc 250.00 $280.00 per document
Property related $240,000.00 No of lab h 40,000.00 $6.00 per hour
TOTAL $400,000.00


GC EX
Materials $3,500.00 $8,000.00
Labour costs ($15) $4,500.00 $7,500.00
Supervising $180.00 $1,080.00
Planning $280.00 $1,400.00
Property costs $1,800.00 $3,000.00
Cost $10,260.00 $20,980.00
Mark-up (50%) $5,130.00 $10,490.00
Quoted price $15,390.00 $31,470.00
I hope it's ok...what do u think?


Thats is what i got i think mate!

Lets hope its right!
Former userFormer user16y ago#112
@keeva said:
Here it is:
7W+5L = 3500
2W+2L = 1201
W = (1201 - 2L) /2 and replace it in the first one:
(8407 - 14L)/2 + 5L = 3500
8407 - 14L +10 L = 7000
-4L = -1407
L=351.75
W = (1201 - 2*351.75)/2 = (1201 - 703.5)/2 = 248.75
Based on these, the new contribution is:
C = 48 * 248.75 + 40 * 351.75 = 11940 + 14070 = 26010
The"old" contribution was 26.000, so, indeed the Sh price is $10

@keeva said:
7W + 5L = 3501
2W + 2L = 1200
W = (1200 - 2L)/2 = 600 - L
7 (600 - L) + 5L = 3501
4200 - 7L + 5L = 3501
-2L = -699
L = 349.50
W = 250.50
New contribution = 48*250.5 + 40 *349.5 = 12024 + 13980 = 26004
Old contribution = 26000
The sh price = $4 (for tailor's time)


I did them both together (mind must have gone blank), and got 26014.

Then i just wrote, increase in contribution is $14!

Do you think this is worth any marks?
EEd16y ago#113
Does anybody know when will the actual answers be posted on ACCA website? thanks!
Aarleneld16y ago#114
q5

target 1 Y N N Y
target 2 Y N N Y
target 3 Y Y N N

SO 6 yES - $400 X 6 = $2400

Is that correct ?
Does anyone have the variance answers ?
Former userFormer user16y ago#115
@keeva said:
Here it is:
7W+5L = 3500
2W+2L = 1201
W = (1201 - 2L) /2 and replace it in the first one:
(8407 - 14L)/2 + 5L = 3500
8407 - 14L +10 L = 7000
-4L = -1407
L=351.75
W = (1201 - 2*351.75)/2 = (1201 - 703.5)/2 = 248.75
Based on these, the new contribution is:
C = 48 * 248.75 + 40 * 351.75 = 11940 + 14070 = 26010
The"old" contribution was 26.000, so, indeed the Sh price is $10



.... and who is going to wear those 3/4 and 1/2 of the clothes?
I have rounded them up and down to get whole units otherwise they can't sell it for the price given in the Contribution equation.
Former userFormer user16y ago#116
paper relatively easy, but did not attempt the question on LP :(
anyone got the answers yet ? ;)
Former userFormer user16y ago#117
well, its better than f6 in all ramification. but time was d bottleneck, 3hrs is too short for these questions. couldnt finish
Former userFormer user16y ago#118
i think guys the optimal point was B which is given in question and at this point production mix was 280 and 300.
so in order to calculate shadow price first we need to calculate if their is any slack and by putting these values in constraints their is slack avalible in both constraints so their was no shadow price.
Aarleneld16y ago#119
Can anyone remember their variance differences from Q3 ?
Former userFormer user16y ago#120
@abdullahkhan49 said:
i think guys the optimal point was B which is given in question and at this point production mix was 280 and 300.
so in order to calculate shadow price first we need to calculat if their is any slackand by putting these values in constraints their is slack avalible in bothconstraints so their was no shadow price.

That's clearly not going to be right--they wouldn't have a 4 mark q to which the answer was 0!!
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