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Ggenty10y ago#31
@evilozfon said: in npv calculation how did you guys inflate the S.P and costs by :- 1) 4.7% + 4.7% for second year or 2) value x (1.047)^n which did you use?
You don't inflate the two if they only give general inflation.
EEhsan10y ago#32
I used (1+0.047)* as it was more convenient
EEhsan10y ago#33
@misschile100 said: What do you mean? They said the figures increase each year by general inflation rate
We have to inflate, they were given at current price.. and using nominal rate over them would be inconsistent !
Ggenty10y ago#34
@misschile100 said: What do you mean? They said the figures increase each year by general inflation rate
You only inflate it if they have given specific inflation like, ' inflate Sp by 2% every year' in the q. I guess. But din't worry you'd probably get marks for it get stuff like taxation.
Uusman10y ago#35
I inflated them like this lets suppose s.p is 3$ in current price terms and inflation is 4.7% per year Year 1) 3 x 1.047 Year 2) 3 x 1.094 (which is 4.7+4.7) and so on for next years.. is it correct? or i should've used (1x0.047)^n
CChris10y ago#36
Q1 38.5% after debt issues it increases to 56% or something. Q2 Benefits: Increased profit from extra sales £480k. Reduced bad debts 12k Costs: Discount: 108k Admin: 35k: Finance: 32k Net benefit $317k Q3 FRC: 355kish, MMH: 358kish, leading: I took this to mean waiting for a good opportunity to exchange the money as in the leading and lagging technique so no numerical answer just risky. Q4 NPV just over $1.5million Sales = multiply units sold by 5.65 then by 1.047^n for inflation where n is the year VC = multiply units sold by 3 then by 1.047^n for inflation where n is the year Tax = 27% one year in arrears so this appears in year 2 to 5 (whereas sales and VS in 1 to 4) Investment 1.5m year 0, 200k disposal year 4 Capital allowance savings go in years 2 to 5 same as tax. Working capital: Just incremental part so first year 150k*1.047 - 150k; year 2: 150k*1.047^2 - 150k - yr 1 amount. etc I think the flows were all 7xxx or 8xxx Discount at 11% Q5 WACC before 10.9%, after 10.3%.
EEhsan10y ago#37
@genty said: You only inflate it if they have given specific inflation like, ' inflate Sp by 2% every year' in the q. I guess. But din't worry you'd probably get marks for it get stuff like taxation.
Nope it was also said that WC will increase according to General rate.. Plus using Nominal rate on current prices would be so inconsistent. Yeah final answer doesn't mark much though
CChris10y ago#38
@mjmj said: don't think so
Neither do I!!!
EEhsan10y ago#39
@chris165 said: Q1 38.5% after debt issues it increases to 56% or something. Q2 Benefits: Increased profit from extra sales £480k. Reduced bad debts 12k Costs: Discount: 108k Admin: 35k: Finance: 32k Net benefit $317k Q3 FRC: 355kish, MMH: 358kish, leading: I took this to mean waiting for a good opportunity to exchange the money as in the leading and lagging technique so no numerical answer just risky. Q4 NPV just over $1.5million Sales = multiply units sold by 5.65 then by 1.047^n for inflation where n is the year VC = multiply units sold by 3 then by 1.047^n for inflation where n is the year Tax = 27% one year in arrears so this appears in year 2 to 5 (whereas sales and VS in 1 to 4) Investment 1.5m year 0, 200k disposal year 4 Capital allowance savings go in years 2 to 5 same as tax. Working capital: Just incremental part so first year 150k*1.047 - 150k; year 2: 150k*1.047^2 - 150k - yr 1 amount. etc I think the flows were all 7xxx or 8xxx Discount at 11% Q5 WACC before 10.9%, after 10.3%.
Oh i got my mistake in NPV question.. damn I start tax allowance from year 2 :( I wonder how much I will lose :( DAMN STUPID
JJackson10y ago#40
<a href="https://opentuition.com/members/chris165/" Q2 Benefits: Increased profit from extra sales £480k. Reduced bad debts 12k Costs: Discount: 108k Admin: 35k: Finance: 32k Net benefit $317k Q5 WACC before 10.9%, after 10.3%.
pretty sure the finance cost is benefit right? since receivables have reduced and you saved finance cost from having cash from receivables.
CChris10y ago#41
@dreamscars said: i got 1,122,000 as answer. the figures are kinda too perfect, guess something went wrong.
That's almost what I got exactly!!
Uusman10y ago#42
guys answer my question :(
CChris10y ago#43
@genty said: You only inflate it if they have given specific inflation like, ' inflate Sp by 2% every year' in the q. I guess. But din't worry you'd probably get marks for it get stuff like taxation.
You raise everyone by inflation as is case in every mock question ever written! Including fixed costs as advised. How else could you use nominal rate without doing that?!?!
JJay10y ago#44
@alexanderrobert1989 said: Debt:Equity question trumped me? Debt: Market Value of Debt Equity: Reserves and Mv of ordinary shares How could a company with such high levels of equity to debt, be showing 30% gearing levels>>? Missing something here. How did people calculate the profit on the back of the 25% increase?
See I initially got 10% cos I included reserves, then thought it looks odd so took reserves out!
JJackson10y ago#45
@evilozfon said: in npv calculation how did you guys inflate the S.P and costs by :- 1) 4.7% + 4.7% for second year or 2) value x (1.047)^n which did you use?
the 2nd one, you have to use (1.047)^n
JJay10y ago#46
@evilozfon said: I inflated them like this lets suppose s.p is 3$ in current price terms and inflation is 4.7% per year Year 1) 3 x 1.047 Year 2) 3 x 1.094 (which is 4.7+4.7) and so on for next years.. is it correct? or i should've used (1x0.047)^n
No, that is 100% wrong. Why would you do 4.7 +4.7?! Year 1) 3 x 1.047 Year 2) 3 x 1.047^2 Year 3) 3 x 1.047^3 to the POWER of 2,3 and 4, not times by
Aapoelara10y ago#47
Well in the npv calculation i worked with contribution as you couls deduct the variable cost from selling price and the inflate by4.7%
CChris10y ago#48
I had benefits from discount too. Only thing I disagree is with discount given earlier by someone. From memory circa 28.8m X 5% X 0.75 as only 75% of customers taking it up.
CCupertino10y ago#49
I messed it up a little... A just skipped the first question and forgot about it. when revising the questions I realized I skipped it! In the last 10 minutes tried to write anything...however...i think 10 mark are lost. The question was not so hard, though... The hardest for me was the 5th.. On the multiple I got: 1. B 2. A 3. A 4. A 5. B 6. D 7. D 8. C 9. C 10. D 11. A 12. A 13. B 14. C 15. A 16. A 17. B 18. B 19. A 20. A too many "a"s....)) Q 1 - as said above - said only about the semi strong market. skipped the IRR for redeemable debt...calculated the ratio without it.. Q 2 - I got that forward was cheaper... You borrow dollars to buy pesos to put in bank and at the maturity you just pay the supplier.. b) it was about futures (almost confused it with forward) - it is cheaper, can be sold on the market, are not obligatory, though not so flexible.... Q 3 - The discount policy is to be chosen - it brings benefit to the entity. I included the 10% profit margin for the sales volume difference (i guess was 20% increase in credit sales). If you exclude it - it is negative. It wrote that it shall be included, as the competition is fierce and the above profit is opportunity cost if not used... b) About foreign clients - Wasn't they asking about credit risk and not fx risk? I wrote that the best was to diminish risk is to ask for advance payments / to have a bank as an intermediary and to get a good credit risk department if the main business is export based.. (if it was about fx, then I'm screwed) Q 4 - The sales price / cost shall be inflated starting with the first year. Fixed cost not inflated. Included the wacc movement only (no initial balance). Tax calculated on depreciation. Got a positive NPV. I wrote that they must consider maybe a better machine, as the last two years it was working on full capacity (400,000), so maintenance costs could get up as well as maybe some oportunity costs could arrise... anyway, not important. b) the term just got out of my head ....said "hard and soft limitation of financing" instead of "capital rationing"...hopefully the characteristics are correct and will get some marks.. Q 5 - first started with part b, as wacc is my achilles heel... part a - "i have no idea what I'm doing". After I realised I skipped question 1, got panicked don't remember what i wrote.... Hopefully will get good MCQ and 2 / 3 / 4 right and get the pass rate.... Any other MCQs?
EEhsan10y ago#50
I hope everyone aces :)
CChris10y ago#51
How about some mcqs? Some very hard ones and a few gifts in my opinion?
JJay10y ago#52
@alexanderrobert1989 said: That's what I did initially, but reserves have always been in the Debt Equity calculation so stuck with it? Even before the new debt of only 10m and taking book values the company had a much greater amount of Equity then Debt?
I think you are right to be honest, I should have stuck with my original answer
BBohdan10y ago#53
Dear All, Unfortunatelly, I opened a booklet before it was allowed to do so just to see how it looks like. It was my first time I was taking acca so I was stressed and didn't note that it was not permitted. Unfortunatelly very silly mistake, I know. Probably some of you knows what the cosequence it might have on my final grade ? How many points will they withdraw ?
CChris10y ago#54
@sobieski said: I messed it up a little... A just skipped the first question and forgot about it. when revising the questions I realized I skipped it! In the last 10 minutes tried to write anything...however...i think 10 mark are lost. The question was not so hard, though... The hardest for me was the 5th.. On the multiple I got: 1. B 2. A 3. A 4. A 5. B 6. D 7. D 8. C 9. C 10. D 11. A 12. A 13. B 14. C 15. A 16. A 17. B 18. B 19. A 20. A too many "a"s....)) Q 1 - as said above - said only about the semi strong market. skipped the IRR for redeemable debt...calculated the ratio without it.. Q 2 - I got that forward was cheaper... You borrow dollars to buy pesos to put in bank and at the maturity you just pay the supplier.. b) it was about futures (almost confused it with forward) - it is cheaper, can be sold on the market, are not obligatory, though not so flexible.... Q 3 - The discount policy is to be chosen - it brings benefit to the entity. I included the 10% profit margin for the sales volume difference (i guess was 20% increase in credit sales). If you exclude it - it is negative. It wrote that it shall be included, as the competition is fierce and the above profit is opportunity cost if not used... b) About foreign clients - Wasn't they asking about credit risk and not fx risk? I wrote that the best was to diminish risk is to ask for advance payments / to have a bank as an intermediary and to get a good credit risk department if the main business is export based.. (if it was about fx, then I'm screwed) Q 4 - The sales price / cost shall be inflated starting with the first year. Fixed cost not inflated. Included the wacc movement only (no initial balance). Tax calculated on depreciation. Got a positive NPV. I wrote that they must consider maybe a better machine, as the last two years it was working on full capacity (400,000), so maintenance costs could get up as well as maybe some oportunity costs could arrise... anyway, not important. b) the term just got out of my head ....said "hard and soft limitation of financing" instead of "capital rationing"...hopefully the characteristics are correct and will get some marks.. Q 5 - first started with part b, as wacc is my achilles heel... part a - "i have no idea what I'm doing". After I realised I skipped question 1, got panicked don't remember what i wrote.... Hopefully will get good MCQ and 2 / 3 / 4 right and get the pass rate.... It explicitly stated inflation applied to fixed costs!! Any other MCQs?
EEhsan10y ago#55
@bohdan.yaremk said: Dear All, Unfortunatelly, I opened a booklet before it was allowed to do so just to see how it looks like. It was my first time I was taking acca so I was stressed and didn't note that it was not permitted. Unfortunatelly very silly mistake, I know. Probably some of you knows what the cosequence it might have on my final grade ? How many points will they withdraw ?
Did invigilator said anything? no? so don't worry !
CChris10y ago#56
@dreamscars said: pretty sure the finance cost is benefit right? since receivables have reduced and you saved finance cost from having cash from receivables.
Actually I thought not because as I read the question, the receivables days remained at 51 before and after the discount. Since the discount led to increased credit sales the finance cost would be greater after the discount. I may have missed something here though I must have looked through the text at least 10 times for a new receivables day figure
JJay10y ago#57
@bohdan.yaremk said: Dear All, Unfortunatelly, I opened a booklet before it was allowed to do so just to see how it looks like. It was my first time I was taking acca so I was stressed and didn't note that it was not permitted. Unfortunatelly very silly mistake, I know. Probably some of you knows what the cosequence it might have on my final grade ? How many points will they withdraw ?
I don't mean to be rude /mean but even if it is your first ACCA paper, surely you should be familiar with how exams work?! How are you doing F9 if this is your first exam? Did you get exemptions? If yes, you must have taken exams before in your life? You should know not to open papers beforehand. You think everyone else around you were just sitting there for the sake of it and CHOSE not to open their paper, whilst only YOU sat there and read through the paper? I'm sorry, but I don't believe an ACCA student can be that naive, or is it just me? Pretty sure you are just trolling
EEhsan10y ago#58
@chris165 said: Actually I thought not because as I read the question, the receivables days remained at 51 before and after the discount. Since the discount led to increased credit sales the finance cost would be greater after the discount. I may have missed something here though I must have looked through the text at least 10 times for a new receivables day figure
Credit discount will decrease Days to 30 for 75% customers.. and overall affect decrease in Receivable
CChris10y ago#59
@ehsanshah said: Credit discount will decrease Days to 30 for 75% customers.. and overall affect decrease in Receivable
True but to calculate the finance cost you need to know the number of receiveables days before and after. Just because 75% of customers pay in 30 days doesn't mean average receiveables days cannot remain at 51.
JJay10y ago#60
@chris165 said: True but to calculate the finance cost you need to know the number of receiveables days before and after. Just because 75% of customers pay in 30 days doesn't mean average receiveables days cannot remain at 51.
I get what you mean, but I think we were supposed to assume that the remainder 25% stays at 51 days, I don't think there was anything to indicate anything different
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