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Basis for for opinion

Forums › Ask ACCA Tutor Forums › Ask the Tutor ACCA AAA Exams › Basis for for opinion

  • This topic has 10 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • August 29, 2016 at 9:53 pm #336116
    mini
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    Hi Mike,

    According to the OT Notes the basis for opinion paragraph should be immediately after opinion. However, according to the solution for the question Dylan December 2012 the basis for opinion paragraph should be immediately above opinion. Could you please advise on this?

    I am using BPP exam kit for exams in Sep 2016 to June 2017, so I guess all changes on audit reporting are Incorporated.

    August 30, 2016 at 7:27 am #336161
    xitrumisd
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    Hi guys,

    You can refer to Isa700 revised and note that the structure of auditors’ report changed.

    However, I am not sure whether we will apply all changes in ISAs for Sep16 onwards for all questions. Otherwise, questions state clearly we can apply Old ISAs.

    Hi Mike,

    Could you pls confirm?

    Thanks

    August 30, 2016 at 8:05 am #336186
    MikeLittle
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    xitrumisd – your’s is a separate question and does not hang nicely from Mini’s question

    In future, please start your own thread when your question is a new topic

    In answer to your question, where a new ISA or a revised ISA is shown as examinable in the detailed page ‘examinable documents P2’ (yes, P2), then it’s examinable in P7

    Here’s the link:

    https://www.accaglobal.com/content/dam/acca/global/PDF-students/acca/f7/examinable%20documents/f7-p2-examdocs-2016-2017.pdf

    August 30, 2016 at 8:08 am #336188
    MikeLittle
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    Mini, each time a new ISA arrives or an old ISA is revised, the approved publishers are NOT going to go through all the past exams and amend the answers to bring them in line with the new / revised ISA

    This question that you are using as an illustration is from 2012 so clearly is not affected by the ISA revision that is in the syllabus and examinable for the first time next week

    You need to be aware of this so that you will not be misled!

    August 30, 2016 at 9:56 pm #336403
    mini
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    Thank you Mike 🙂

    I read that is highly important to have updated study materials due to changes in ISA and therefore i bought the exam kit applicable from September 2016 although i have already had one that was applicable before September 2016 🙁

    in addition, in the technical article the new auditor’s report is stated “…in the revised ISA 570 and the use of an Emphasis of Matter paragraph is no longer appropriate. ”

    Does it mean that although we think that there should be Emphasis of Matter paragraph we don’t write it in our answer because it is no longer appropriate and we use KAM instead?

    August 30, 2016 at 9:58 pm #336405
    mini
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    Please ignore my question, I have just seen that you have already answer it 🙂

    August 31, 2016 at 8:05 am #336479
    MikeLittle
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    OK, I’ll ignore it.

    However, have you given me the full context of that extract from the revision kit?

    “…in the revised ISA 570 and the use of an Emphasis of Matter paragraph is no longer appropriate. ”

    Or have you been selective in quoting that extract?

    September 1, 2016 at 8:34 am #336738
    mini
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    HI Mike,

    I took it from the technical article, please see the last sentence:

    REPORTING IN LINE WITH ISA 570, GOING CONCERN
    Exam questions might ask the candidate to recognise indicators that an entity may not be a going concern, or require candidates to arrive at an appropriate audit opinion depending on the circumstances presented in the scenario. It may be the case that candidates are presented with a situation where the auditor has concluded that there are material uncertainties relating to going concern and the directors have made appropriate disclosures in relation to going concern and candidates must understand the new auditor reporting requirements in this respect.

    The auditor’s work in relation to going concern has been enhanced in ISA 570 (Revised), Going Concern and the revised ISA includes additional guidance relating to the appropriateness of disclosures when a material uncertainty exists. Under the previous version of ISA 570, if the auditor concluded that the going concern basis of accounting is appropriate, but a material uncertainty exists and this material uncertainty had been adequately disclosed in the financial statements, the auditor would include an Emphasis of Matter paragraph immediately after the Opinion paragraph which would be cross-referenced to the relevant disclosure note in the financial statements. The auditor would also emphasise that their opinion is not modified in respect of the material uncertainty. This requirement has changed in the revised ISA 570 and the use of an Emphasis of Matter paragraph is no longer appropriate.

    September 1, 2016 at 1:22 pm #336821
    MikeLittle
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    This is exactly what I meant!

    Your earlier post quoted ‘in addition, in the technical article the new auditor’s report is stated “…in the revised ISA 570 and the use of an Emphasis of Matter paragraph is no longer appropriate. ”’

    This is selective quoting by you and, taken out of context, I could be led to believe that you assume that an Emphasis of Matter paragraph is no longer appropriate (in any situation)

    This was the very reason why I asked you!!

    So long as you fully understand that EOM paragraphs do still have a role to play in auditors’ reports, that’s ok!

    September 4, 2016 at 4:15 pm #337528
    mini
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    Dear Tutor,

    Thank you for your explanation. It is much appreciated.

    In addition could you please tell me, in case that we have KAM and EOM paragraph what would be the order of those paragraphs in the auditor’s report?

    Opinion
    Basis of opinion
    Material uncertainties related to going concern
    KAM
    EOM

    or

    Opinion
    Basis of opinion
    Material uncertainties related to going concern
    EOM
    KAM

    September 4, 2016 at 7:27 pm #337757
    MikeLittle
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    EOM can go anywhere, apparently – either before or after the KAM

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