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  • This topic has 5 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 5 years ago by Kim Smith.
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  • May 31, 2019 at 10:36 am #518048
    jihun lee
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    Hi Kim,

    May i ask if i understood this correctly ?

    1. test of control will be performed on a service organization to review the internal control system to confirm the credibiity of the performance information generated by management

    Further, substantive test will be needed after test of control.

    2. substantive test refers to the substantive procedures ? which involve substantive anaytical procedures and substantive test of detail

    Thank you

    May 31, 2019 at 11:51 am #518057
    Kim Smith
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    1. If you are engaged to provide a Type 2 report for a service organisation you would have to test the controls of the service organisation (to determine whether they are operating effectively). You wouldn’t perform substantive procedures to provide this report.

    2. Yes

    May 31, 2019 at 11:59 am #518058
    jihun lee
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    for number 1, that means if i obtain type 2 report from service organization, and have performed test of control, i don’t have to perform substantive procedures ?

    that means if i were to provide audit procedures on service organization

    if i request for type 2 report from a service organization, i can’t perform substantive procedures on that service organization ?

    May 31, 2019 at 12:24 pm #518061
    Kim Smith
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    If you are auditing a client which uses the services of a service organisation you are auditing the client – testing the client’s controls and performing substantive procedures. The Type 1 or 2 report provided by the service organisation is audit evidence but you are not auditing the service organisation.

    May 31, 2019 at 3:51 pm #518083
    jihun lee
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    sorry kim but i have difficulties understanding your answer.

    my question was whether an audit firm audits a audit client and that audit client uses a service organization e.g payroll, then audit firm can perform test of control, substantive test, and request type 1 and type 2 report ?

    May 31, 2019 at 5:19 pm #518092
    Kim Smith
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    Yes – but the test of control and substantive procedures will be performed in the client’s internal control system, documentation, etc. And also request type 1 OR type 2 report (since Type 2 report is effectively Type 1 report + assurance on operating effectiveness, you wouldn’t need both).

    I was trying to clarify that the auditor of the client does not audit the service organisation (i.e. perform tests of controls/substantive procedures on the service organisation’s internal control system, documentation, etc).

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