we will be closing deal with in three months like in currency futures ,, am i right?? and in the lecture,, You mentioned January Futures but isn’t dealing future on 1st january,,, a March future? and beside that,,, for borrowing always sell future first but what if the int rate decrease from 8 per to 6 per ,,,,,,, we will end up buying at loss i,e sell at 92 buy at 94 …… so why does a borrower always sell first ,,, i dont get it????

Abc company required $45m loan. the event will take place in seven month time. but facility will be necessary in five month time. Abc company expects the loan to be repaid at the time of the event.

Assume today is 1st December and following futures price are available december 96.04 march 95.77 june 95.55

explain how the loan duration will be selected @ which future price.

Nice Lecture! Thx for efforts OT. I have one quick Q on this, probably a dump one. As per the lecture the interest rate futures are for 3 months and when the time period of the loan is more then 3 months, take appropriate value of loan ( i.e. for a 6 month loan take double the value ). But, what if the period of gap between the current date & the date the loan starts is more then 3 months. Lets say, today is 1st Jan and a 6 month loan starts on 1st July. So we have a uncovered period of 6 months ( Jan – Jun ), how do we cover this period with a 3 month futures ( which effectively need to be closed with in the next 3 months? ).

Three month futures do not have to be closed after three months – the three months simply refers to how profits or losses are calculated. March futures must finish but the end of March; June futures by the end of June; sept futures by end Sept, and Dec futures by end Dec. There are always the four to choose from which means you can deal with a loan starting up to a year away.

Dear tutor, In the practice Q9 Toytown part ( b): Can you please explain the 86.25 ? Does it mean that today the price of the futures is 86.25?? I uderstood that . Then i added a 2% increase to that which gave me 87.98. I used these two figures to calculate the profit By doing : 10m * (87.98-86.25/400) which gave me 4325. I do not quite understand the ticks. Please explain this to me with the ticks its really hard to udrstand Thanks

86.25 is the price at which the futures are currently priced – that means that it is todays price.

Why did you increase the futures price? If interest rates increase, then the futures price falls. Also, the futures prices is effectively a percent (86.25 is equivalent to 3.75%) so a movement of 2% gives rise to a futures price of 84.25.

With regard to ticks – a tick is the smallest movement in the futures price, which is 0.01. However you never need to use ticks in the exam (or in this question) (but they are explained in the lecture).

Another thing is that in part (c) it clearly says in the q that the company is taking an IRG of 14%. So refering to the requirements its asking you to calculate the effect of the IRG at 14% if the interest rates goes up by : (i) 2 % (ii) same thing (iii) goes down by 1% In you answers you took 14% itself when calculatung the actual cost, I do not understand why?? I took 16% as being the actual rate then claimed at 14%. Please help

The question does not ask you to show how IRG’s work – it clearly only asks whether it will be more or less expensive, and so all that you need is to calculate the total cost.

If the actual interest is 16%, then OK you pay 16% and then claim back 2% on the IRG, but the net cost will be 14% as a result. With an IRG the maximum interest will effectively be 14%, but if the actual interest rate is lower then you pay the lower rate and do not claim on the IRG.

Very Good Lecture. God bless. When coaching prices of renowned online classes such as Kaplan -LBS have been so high by making available such a quality stuff at free of cost indeed need kudos. Keep it up.

What if we calculate the profit like this: 6,000,000 pounds x 0.02 x (6/12) = 60,000 Logic: We bought the futures for the same amount of loan then multiply it with profit and as the profit is yearly so we multiply it with (6/12) as the loan is for 6 months and so the profit should match the additional expense of interest of 6 months. Does this makes sense?

Well your method is much harder than the tutors method. What if you cant get the exact amount of futures? Your method is just going to be confusing plus its logic is also not sound.

THIS PAPER IS VERY CHALLENGING AND INTERESTING AS WELL. THE LECTURE HAS REPOSED A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN ME AND I’M SURE THIS THIRD TIME, I SHALL BE READY. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE LECTURE??? CAN ANYONE TELL ME>

ashiktamot says

we will be closing deal with in three months like in currency futures ,, am i right??

and

in the lecture,, You mentioned January Futures but isn’t dealing future on 1st january,,, a March future?

and beside that,,,

for borrowing always sell future first but what if the int rate decrease from 8 per to 6 per ,,,,,,, we will end up buying at loss i,e sell at 92 buy at 94 …… so why does a borrower always sell first ,,, i dont get it????

himanipatel says

hy sir,

in the exam for any question related to interest rate futures we assume its a three month future and divide by 400?

John Moffat says

Yes 馃檪

ali5600 says

Abc company required $45m loan. the event will take place in seven month time. but facility will be necessary in five month time. Abc company expects the loan to be repaid at the time of the event.

Assume today is 1st December and following futures price are available

december 96.04

march 95.77

june 95.55

explain how the loan duration will be selected @ which future price.

Thank

John Moffat says

You must ask this question in the P4 Ask the Tutor Forum and not as a comment on a lecture.

(I assume that you have watched the lecture?)

sureshthegeek says

Nice Lecture! Thx for efforts OT. I have one quick Q on this, probably a dump one. As per the lecture the interest rate futures are for 3 months and when the time period of the loan is more then 3 months, take appropriate value of loan ( i.e. for a 6 month loan take double the value ). But, what if the period of gap between the current date & the date the loan starts is more then 3 months. Lets say, today is 1st Jan and a 6 month loan starts on 1st July. So we have a uncovered period of 6 months ( Jan – Jun ), how do we cover this period with a 3 month futures ( which effectively need to be closed with in the next 3 months? ).

John Moffat says

Three month futures do not have to be closed after three months – the three months simply refers to how profits or losses are calculated.

March futures must finish but the end of March; June futures by the end of June; sept futures by end Sept, and Dec futures by end Dec.

There are always the four to choose from which means you can deal with a loan starting up to a year away.

nmbm says

Dear tutor,

In the practice Q9 Toytown part ( b):

Can you please explain the 86.25 ? Does it mean that today the price of the futures is 86.25??

I uderstood that .

Then i added a 2% increase to that which gave me 87.98. I used these two figures to calculate the profit

By doing : 10m * (87.98-86.25/400) which gave me 4325.

I do not quite understand the ticks.

Please explain this to me with the ticks its really hard to udrstand

Thanks

John Moffat says

86.25 is the price at which the futures are currently priced – that means that it is todays price.

Why did you increase the futures price? If interest rates increase, then the futures price falls. Also, the futures prices is effectively a percent (86.25 is equivalent to 3.75%) so a movement of 2% gives rise to a futures price of 84.25.

With regard to ticks – a tick is the smallest movement in the futures price, which is 0.01. However you never need to use ticks in the exam (or in this question) (but they are explained in the lecture).

nmbm says

Another thing is that in part (c) it clearly says in the q that the company is taking an IRG of 14%.

So refering to the requirements its asking you to calculate the effect of the IRG at 14% if the interest rates goes up by :

(i) 2 %

(ii) same thing

(iii) goes down by 1%

In you answers you took 14% itself when calculatung the actual cost, I do not understand why??

I took 16% as being the actual rate then claimed at 14%.

Please help

nmbm says

Please help

John Moffat says

The question does not ask you to show how IRG’s work – it clearly only asks whether it will be more or less expensive, and so all that you need is to calculate the total cost.

If the actual interest is 16%, then OK you pay 16% and then claim back 2% on the IRG, but the net cost will be 14% as a result.

With an IRG the maximum interest will effectively be 14%, but if the actual interest rate is lower then you pay the lower rate and do not claim on the IRG.

deepmaharaj says

Very Good Lecture. God bless. When coaching prices of renowned online classes such as Kaplan -LBS have been so high by making available such a quality stuff at free of cost indeed need kudos. Keep it up.

toobaalvi says

What if we calculate the profit like this: 6,000,000 pounds x 0.02 x (6/12) = 60,000

Logic: We bought the futures for the same amount of loan then multiply it with profit and as the profit is yearly so we multiply it with (6/12) as the loan is for 6 months and so the profit should match the additional expense of interest of 6 months.

Does this makes sense?

hssniqbl says

Well your method is much harder than the tutors method. What if you cant get the exact amount of futures? Your method is just going to be confusing plus its logic is also not sound.

accaforall says

Thank you

goodnewskydzramedo says

THIS PAPER IS VERY CHALLENGING AND INTERESTING AS WELL. THE LECTURE HAS REPOSED A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN ME AND I’M SURE THIS THIRD TIME, I SHALL BE READY. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE LECTURE??? CAN ANYONE TELL ME>

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