Question No.1 depreciation is applied for 4 years while the useful life of the asset is 5 years , I鈥檓 confuse why the depreciation is applied on 4 years ?
At 31 March 2016 we don’t owe the interest to March 2017
That only becomes an obligation as we move through the period 1 April, 2016 to 31 March, 2017
When calculating the deferred liability, we are only liable for the capital element … the interest charge doesn’t feature in that deferred liability because it has not yet become an obligation whereas the entire capital amount IS an obligation with effect from the date the lease was signed
Hi! For question 2,I don’t understand why the interest is not taken into account when calculating the current liabilities? I remember from the lecture there was an example where you extracted the lease obligation balance from the prior year, i.e. instalment less interest accrual. Why isn’t it the case in the question? Thanks
Isn’t it because the question asks for the current liabilities in respect of this lease
Included within the current liabilities in respect of the lease there is the current obligation capital element AND the current obligation lease interest element
No, the answer is correct … the question actually tells you that there is an annual payment of $153,000 so that’s the amount that will be included within current liabilities
That last line of mine in my previous post tells you that “there is the current obligation capital element AND the current obligation lease interest element” and BOTH of these obligations should be included within current liabilities
In Q1 we depreciate the asset in 4 years, but the useful life is 5 years. Should we always take the ease period for depretiation in case it is shorter than assets useful life? It really seems strange for me as I base the leasing period on the possibility to pay (like my cash flow), but this can be asset which I will use for much more than the lease period. May be I have missed something…
Cynthia, I cannot see how that second paragraph could be misinterpreted!
This is a six year lease that finishes in March 2020
So at March 2019 there is one more year to go
At March 2018 there are two more years to go
At March 2017 there are three more years to go
At March 2016 there are four more years to go
At March 2015 there are five more years to go
and at March 2014 there are six years to go
So Sparti pays a deposit on 1 April, 2014 of $4,850,000 and then, the question says, “with further annual payment of $4 million on each successive 1 April for 5 years commencing 1 April, 2015”
Hi Tutor, in the 4th Q I am confused as to why the Non Current Liabilty for 31st March 2016 is $9,932 when that is the figure in your working for 31st March 2017
If that’s the figure for 31 March 2017 and we’re looking at the financial statements for 31 March 2016, then that $9,932 is not payable within the next 12 months and therefore it’s non-current as at 31 March 2016
I think that, if you had read my post to an earlier question, you would see that I too am struggling to arrive at 107. In fact, I’m getting 70 as the answer
I am in the process of going through these practice questions ironing out the printing errors and my own calculation errors.
575 fair value (195) deposit 380 @ 30.6.2014 22 interest to 31.01.2015 402 outstanding at 31.01.2015 16 interest to 30.06.2015 418 outstanding at 30.06.2015 153 payment on 30.06.2015 265 outstanding at 30.06.2015 15.46 interest to 31.01.2016 280.46 outstanding at 31.01.2016
This compares with 402 outstanding from one year earlier and the difference is the current liability
I understand the calculations done here, however my problem is that we consider Current liability is the capital part that will be paid in the following 12 months. As at 31.01.2015 the only payment to be done in the following 12 months is on the 30 June, which comprises interest from 30.01.2014 until 30.01.2015 380,000 x 10% = 38,000. Therefore wouldn麓t the correct answer be 153 – 38 = 115, since this is the share of capital that will be paid in the following 12 months?
But as at end January, the amount of interest accrued within the amount outstanding is only seven months worth
Which number question is it and I’ll look at it again but this time post your question on the Ask the Tutor forum – that way will guarantee that I see it!
OK, by the way, to anynoe who reads it, I wrote the dates wrong, interest paid on the 30.06.2015 is for the period from 30.06.2014 to 30.06.2015. I麓ll post it on the Ask the Tutor forum.
hey.. can someone explain how they got 7/12 for question 1 please?
Question No.1 depreciation is applied for 4 years while the useful life of the asset is 5 years , I鈥檓 confuse why the depreciation is applied on 4 years ?
cause lease is for 4 years.
For question 2, what is the non-current liabilities at that same date? is it 265 000? sorry just to see if I understood all of it.
I believe that it’s 249,167 …
Cost 575,000 less deposit 195,000 leaves an amount ‘borrowed’ of 380,000
Interest for 7 months to 31 January, 2015 is 38,000 * 7/12 = 22,167
So total liability at 31 January 2015 is 402,167
Payable within 12 months is 153,000 so payable more than 12 months hence is 402,167 – 153,000 = 249,167
OK?
in question1 where is 250000 from in the answer
$380,000 – $130,000?
There is an ERROR sir in Q1. the calculation of finance cost, the calculation is 250,000×10%x7/12 the answer is 14583 but not 14833. Am I right?
Yes, you are correct – that’s a typographical error … but the answer is correct at $70,000
That’s $55,416 depreciation and $14,583 lease interest
OK?
yes, thank you
You’re welcome
For question 4, why is “interest to Mar 2017” not considered in the calculation to arrive at “owing at Mar 2017” figure?
At 31 March 2016 we don’t owe the interest to March 2017
That only becomes an obligation as we move through the period 1 April, 2016 to 31 March, 2017
When calculating the deferred liability, we are only liable for the capital element … the interest charge doesn’t feature in that deferred liability because it has not yet become an obligation whereas the entire capital amount IS an obligation with effect from the date the lease was signed
OK?
Hi! For question 2,I don’t understand why the interest is not taken into account when calculating the current liabilities? I remember from the lecture there was an example where you extracted the lease obligation balance from the prior year, i.e. instalment less interest accrual. Why isn’t it the case in the question? Thanks
Isn’t it because the question asks for the current liabilities in respect of this lease
Included within the current liabilities in respect of the lease there is the current obligation capital element AND the current obligation lease interest element
OK?
That’s what I thought. Therefore, my interpretation is that the current liability should be 153-38=115.
Please advice on where I got it wrong. Thanks.
No, the answer is correct … the question actually tells you that there is an annual payment of $153,000 so that’s the amount that will be included within current liabilities
That last line of mine in my previous post tells you that “there is the current obligation capital element AND the current obligation lease interest element” and BOTH of these obligations should be included within current liabilities
OK?
I still don’t 100% get this one. Could you explain “and includes the interest accrued of 38,000” in the answer? How is that 38,000 included? Thanks.
Hi
In the Q4 – why we don’t add a deposit to the total value of the asset?
Thanks!
We do! But it’s not shown here. This question asks us for the balance of the liability that will show as a current liability
OK?
Hello!
Can I ask you about Q2? If we paid a deposit, why do you count depreciation from 575, not from (PV-deposit)?
Thanks in advance!
Depreciation is calculated on the cost of the asset and that includes the value of the deposit
The amount of the deposit is important for the purposes of calculating the interest charges
OK.
Ok!
Thank you very much!
In Q1 we depreciate the asset in 4 years, but the useful life is 5 years. Should we always take the ease period for depretiation in case it is shorter than assets useful life? It really seems strange for me as I base the leasing period on the possibility to pay (like my cash flow), but this can be asset which I will use for much more than the lease period. May be I have missed something…
Depreciate over the shorter of useful life and lease period
question 4 says that $4m payable on 1st april…..thats suppose to be in advance right ?
Cynthia, I cannot see how that second paragraph could be misinterpreted!
This is a six year lease that finishes in March 2020
So at March 2019 there is one more year to go
At March 2018 there are two more years to go
At March 2017 there are three more years to go
At March 2016 there are four more years to go
At March 2015 there are five more years to go
and at March 2014 there are six years to go
So Sparti pays a deposit on 1 April, 2014 of $4,850,000 and then, the question says, “with further annual payment of $4 million on each successive 1 April for 5 years commencing 1 April, 2015”
Now what is there there that is at all ambiguous?
OK?
Hi Tutor, in the 4th Q I am confused as to why the Non Current Liabilty for 31st March 2016 is $9,932 when that is the figure in your working for 31st March 2017
If that’s the figure for 31 March 2017 and we’re looking at the financial statements for 31 March 2016, then that $9,932 is not payable within the next 12 months and therefore it’s non-current as at 31 March 2016
OK?
In question 1, the finance cost should be $250,000*10%*7/12=$14,583 and not $14,833.
All
I think in Q4 20m Pounds should be 20m Dollars.
Thanks
about Q4,the answer why not is the option 2?
Because $12,665 is the total obligation and the question asked for the figure for the long term obligation
You’re correct, thanks Vishal
Hi on question how do we come up with 107 i am getting 110
I’m getting 7/12 of 95 depreciation and 7/12 of 25 finance charges – a total of 70 for the year
Unfortunately, 70 is not an option!
How did you arrive at 110?
Hi Mike
I fail to get the correct answer of 107 for question 1…how do i go about it’?
I think that, if you had read my post to an earlier question, you would see that I too am struggling to arrive at 107. In fact, I’m getting 70 as the answer
I am in the process of going through these practice questions ironing out the printing errors and my own calculation errors.
But thanks for pointing out these mistakes 馃檪
In a column of figures you should have:
575 fair value
(195) deposit
380 @ 30.6.2014
22 interest to 31.01.2015
402 outstanding at 31.01.2015
16 interest to 30.06.2015
418 outstanding at 30.06.2015
153 payment on 30.06.2015
265 outstanding at 30.06.2015
15.46 interest to 31.01.2016
280.46 outstanding at 31.01.2016
This compares with 402 outstanding from one year earlier and the difference is the current liability
Ok?
Sir, how do we calculate $22 as interest as on 31.01.2015
$380*10% 6/12 is $19
Do we calculate interest on Minimum lease payment or the fair value?
my appologise
I read the dates wrong
Thanks for help sir
It 380*10%*7/12
“I read the dates wrong”!!!!!!!!!
Dates are REALLY important
Don’t do this next week !
Hi Mr Mike,
I understand the calculations done here, however my problem is that we consider Current liability is the capital part that will be paid in the following 12 months. As at 31.01.2015 the only payment to be done in the following 12 months is on the 30 June, which comprises interest from 30.01.2014 until 30.01.2015 380,000 x 10% = 38,000.
Therefore wouldn麓t the correct answer be 153 – 38 = 115, since this is the share of capital that will be paid in the following 12 months?
Thank you in advance
But as at end January, the amount of interest accrued within the amount outstanding is only seven months worth
Which number question is it and I’ll look at it again but this time post your question on the Ask the Tutor forum – that way will guarantee that I see it!
OK, by the way, to anynoe who reads it, I wrote the dates wrong, interest paid on the 30.06.2015 is for the period from 30.06.2014 to 30.06.2015.
I麓ll post it on the Ask the Tutor forum.
Thanks in advance
Hi on question how do we come up with 107 i am getting 110
Greetings Sir, I am bit confused with question 2.
Cant get $121 as current liabilities.
Can i ask you to explain that please?
My answer is $153 with carrying value of $491
I’ve answered this already …. in great detail!