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IAS 28 Associate Companies and Joint Ventures Example 1
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Mike Sir… i am not getting the alternative way to find out the Cost of Associate which u mentioned in the lecture but not fine out in the notes… on page 14…. will u tell me….
Mike, thank you very much. You’re lecturer “from God”… Esp., humour and sarcasm makes me sick.
Please, continue making video for opentuition.
sir but in the solution only alex div(2000*40%) is added not saulius div share (4000*25%)
@omerchamp, In one of your earlier posts you have written “how did 800 from alex come from”. This recent post which is now receiving my attention shows that you now apparently agree with the 800 from Alex. Does the question not say that Danute (?) has not yet recorded the dividend receivable from Alex? But does it not also show “Investment income” in Danute’s Statement of Income in the amount of 1,000. ( These are coming from me as questions because I don’t have the notes in front of me )
I seem to remember that we only needed to adjust for one of the dividends because the other had already been recorded. Am I correct?
Respected sir
yes div from S is already recorded in years profit of D
what a great memory you have sir.
@omerchamp, Why thank you Omer – and you are yourself a “champ”
respected sir
then why our share of dividend paid by S (ie 4000* 25%) added to our retain profit
@omerchamp, because of the Working 3 principle “H’s own + H’s share of S post acq retained – goodwill impaired since acquisition
how did 800 from alex come from
@omerchamp, Is it not our share of Alex profit after tax? Or, now I think a bit more about it, isn’t it our share of the Alex dividend which we have not yet ( according to the question ) recognised? If not, post again and I’ll look at the question
@Sir MikeLittle, cont…….
which is 1000 that will make our retain earning 6885 instead 5885
black out in half way
same problem , i can’t see the layout of consolidated statement
Hey I have been trying to watch these tuts but after buffering for like 4mins it starts playing then after like a minute it starts buffering again and goes to the start again and stops. Please help.
Is anyone having a similar problem?
I’m afraid it could be your internet connection cannot keep up with video data, make sure you do not download anything while watching lectures.. also please try at different times of the day.. maybe it will help..
Hi Mike,
Please can you explain why we didnt account for our share of the dividend from the JV yet we participated on the one from the Associate if we are to treat them the same?
Also why did we Consolidate the Rev on one and not the other? Is it because we already factored in our profit share via consolidation hence taking the 1000 would have been double accounting. Am getting confused. Do we or do we not Consolidate a JV. If yes the what was the equity accounting method about am really lost here.
Thanks Mike
@mmariba2000, Hi
Since the recent change, we are now no longer able to bring in the results of a jv using proportional consolidation. The only method now acceptable is the equity method – like we do for Associate companies. In neither situation do we bring the Associate nor JV dividends into the consolidated retained earnings because we have already brought in the profits out of which the dividend is to be paid.
However …. in computing the proof ( H’s own + H’s share etc etc ) the figure for H’s own must include the dividends received from the Associate and the JV. That’s for Working 3. We omit these dividends when preparing the Consolidated Statement of Income.
As for revenue, because now we apply equity accounting for both Associates and for JVs, we DO NOT BRING IN any revenue from these two entities. I thought that I had updated the notes to reflect that – maybe you’re using last year’s notes. In addition, I have not re-recorded the lecture, so the old lecture using the proportional method for the JV is still on the video.
Make sure that you have the 2012 notes and, if they are incorrect based on what I have just posted, do please let me know.
Thanks
@MikeLittle, the above recording of Danuta alex and Saulius…says the revenue and cost of sales is “one quarter of 50000 and 30000 respectively…and GP is one quarter of 20000.Whereas your above comment states its straight 20000 Gp (you said we do not take account of Associate revenue nor JV)”…which one is correct now?
@rooman, @MikeLittle…i guess the recording is using proportional method…i.e….holding company revenue + proportionate share of associate revenue…which is outdated…but kindly explain working 3…alex and saulis deduct dividend paid from their respective R.E…and then danuta adds dividend recievable fromalex (40% * 2000..this is written in above lecture slide….is this right?)
@rooman, When trying to prove the retained earnings figure, “H’s own plus ……” needs to be adjusted for any dividend income not yet recorded by the investor ( Danute ) But this is only for the purposes of proving the figure – it’s highly unlikely that Graham Holt will ask that
@rooman, Yes, the recording is using the proportional method and has not been replaced by a new recording, but my post above this explains that in my reply to mmariba
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Mike I have an issue or two between how you explain it and what the answer at the back of the notes shows. Although the video stopped you do still explain the figures you use and where they go but I found two differences:
1. Saulius : Expenses use the entire 3,000 figure not apportioned in the book answer
2. The tax is the opposite apportionment for Saulius is not included in book answer its just 5,000
Are both methods correct, they come to the same figure but it seems to be a case of apportioning when you think you need to rather than following a set method. Both scenarios apportion on one occasion but not in the other. Please help
Hey i get so confused after watching the joint venture treatment. Can you help me out with this lecture please. I think that this lecture needs to be updated. Please respond soon.
@hamzahmoazzam, Have I not updated the Joint Venture lecture? I’m sorry. Thankfully it’s only a tiny part of P2 and so rarely comes up in the exam. The changes you refer to are that, when accounting for a joint venture, the investor MUST apply equity accounting – proportional consolidation is no longer an option.
any of you use Emile Woolf publishing study text? ever heard of it? im using it and wondering if it is the best. I like it so far though. kindly comment if you have used it.
The video isn’t working properly, black out half-way?
june’s coming closer and closer, these lectures have always helped us immensely but this ias 28 issue relating to jv has terribly confused us, kindly look into it mike/admin….
Any help in this regard would be highly appreciated!
@Saad Bin Aziz, I’m a little confused too. Does the comment from Mike way down below mean we treat Saulius like Alex i.e. a single line showing our share of the PAT of Saulius added to Danuta’s PBT in their ConSOCI? How I love acronyms.
Dear Mike ,
After reading the comments below i am confused terribly as to whether this lecture is still valid? i mean are we not supposed to consolidate revenues and all? and only do it like associate accounting?
And yes , the video blanks out after 28th min,…..
Hi. Can anyone send me question 52 in Kaplan revision kit. My book is BPP.
after 28 mins there’s nothing to see
Is the server down today? I only seem to be able to view the lectures for simple groups
these new style videos arent working properly..these do stop automatically several times…..during lecture…
Blame your Internet connection
The video is censored/blank after 28 minutes, Please OPENTUITION can you fix that problem, I’m enjoying the lecture! Big up to Mr Little!
Same here, no images
Hi,
please can someone tell me for revenue calculation why we calculating 1/4 of $20000 (i.e one fourth of JV)?
@osru, we only need to include our 25% share of the joint ventures revenue in the consolidated statement of comp income. The JV is Danuta and 3 other co’s so each co has a 25% share.
@amalone, arent we supose to do joint ventures on equity accounting,
why we are consolidating revenue!
@affera, yes, it should be equity accounted. I thought I had removed the Danuta example – or at least amended it. I have no time to change the notes before June. Apologies
@MikeLittle,
okay thanks,
Unable to view the lectures. Please help
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it baad ! censored at the end
that is not the case earlier it was shown
its censored!!!
can anyone help out d picutures is not showing after 28mins…….
the picture of working is not coming after28 mins of recording
can anybody tell me what is this INCA and TNCA stand for?
Intangible Non Current Assets
Tangible Non Current Assets