In revision kit they say inventory should be kept at 0 not even minimum while in bpp they say inventory should be kept minimum so that once bottleneck resource becomes available production can continue….why are they confusing us???
In an ideal world inventory would be kept to zero. In practice (as you will know from just-in-time) it is not practical for it to be zero but should be kept to a minimum.
Since you are obviously not watching the free lectures (because this is not the correct page) you should ask questions in the Ask the Tutor Forum and not as a comment on a lecture that you have not watched!!!!
Please, tutor, help me on this: The cost card per unit for a product is as follows:
Materials 9 Labour (1hr) 6 Other production costs 8 Total 23
The selling price is $30 per unit and each unit requires 6 minutes of machine time. Machine time is a bottleneck resource. What is the return per factory hour ( in a throughput accounting environment) ?
Solution: The throughput per unit = 30 – 9 = 21 The machine time per unit = 6 minutes = 6/60 or 0.1 Return per factory hour = 21/0.1 = 210
My question is, where is that ’60’ coming from? Thanks.
You must ask questions like this in the Ask the Tutor Forum and not as comments on lectures. There are 60 minutes on one hour, therefore 6 minutes = 6/60 = 0.1 hours.
Thank you Mr John Moffatt, your lectures are insightful… I also appreciate ACCA and all partners for laudable opportunities you offer to would-be accountants, irrespective of locations.
I’m following your lectures for F5 and this is the 4th chapter. The theoretical part seem fairly easy for me however, when I attempted some exam questions re this topic I always got something wrong! Sometimes I get confused which no of hrs to use when working cost per factory he. Theoretically I know that I should use the no. Of hrs on the bottleneck resource but when I search for the numbers I get confused! The question is too long!
In future please ask this sort of question in the Ask the Tutor Forum and not as a comment on a lecture 🙂
If you understand the idea, then there is no other solution but to practice. Practice on exam-standard questions in your Revision Kit is the most vital thing of all, to get used to the style of questions and get better at finding the right numbers.
Thankyou so much. I wish I knew about this website back when I was going for f2. I’m thinking of giving this and f4 this june and I really hope I can ace them with just this and exam kits alone. God bless you.
i will just like to appreciate that the way you deliver the course is good and makes it look simple and easy to understand. l just hope the exams will equally be easy
sir i have started studying F5 7 days back and came accross this site.. proviede i study hard using ur lectures.. is it possible to pass the F5 exam in march 2016 exams?… i mean to ask if this is a possible task?
Throughput return per factor hour is the throughput (selling price less material cost per unit) divided by the hours per unit.
There is no such term as ‘throughput factory per hour’. However, throughput factory cost per hour is the total costs in the factory (apart from materials) divided by the total hours available.
Both of these terms are in fact explained in the lectures.
1) Why you solve throughput question by marginal approach using Contribution? 2) In assumption “Cost card prepared based on producing to meet maximum demand” means? 3) The Correct solution of this problem is using all cost as fixed cost except Material such as $15 for A and $6 for B, Right?
We don’t use contribution if it is throughput accounting! In normal key factor analysis we use contribution because as production changes it is only the sales revenue and variable costs that will change – the total fixed costs will not change.
If it is throughput accounting, we use the same logic but assume that the only variable cost is materials. Therefore effectively the contribution becomes sales less materials, but we call it the throughput.
If the cost cards were prepared assuming we produce to meet maximum demand (because when they were prepared they did not know there would be a limit on the time and therefore they would not be able to produce in full). Then the fixed overheads would have been absorbed on the basis of producing to meet full demand. (The absorbing of overheads is Paper F2, although in F5 you will not be asked full absorbing exercises as are asked in F2).
I do suggest that you watch the lecture again, because I do explain all of this in the lecture.
X Y Selling $50 $32 Mat $10 $6 DL $20 $15 Assem Time 20 mins 15 mins Max Demand 1500 units 1000 units Max limited 600 hrs How many units should Y produce: answer 400 Units – HOW?
Good day sir john , I was just thinking that can he ask us a throughput accounting question with learning curve in calculating labour cost ? if yes then how to deal that question ? please advise thanks
So? There will always be a bottleneck as should be clear if you understood the rest of the lecture – as you remove one then another process becomes the bottleneck. The lecture does not need to say more!
Partly because they contain many more questions, but also because past exams before last December do not contain MCQ’s. The Revision Kits have lots of MCQ’s to practice on (and section A with the MCQ’s is 40% of the total marks).
And yes, it is possible provided you are prepared to put in a lot of time – both to watch the lectures and then to practice all of the examples in your Revision Kit.
Heeeeeey sir! Long time no see haha. I just completed my CAT and just started ACCA F4-F6. I must say sir your lecture is brilliant as always, it blew my mind haha! Totally excellent-quality lecture, I truly value your contribution (see what I did there xD). Jokes aside, you are legendary, sir John Moffat. Hats off! God bless you a long life.
Very well explained. I was a bit confused about Throughput accounting from my paid lectures at LSBF, but your to the point examples and explanations were amazing. Thank you very much
Couldn’t agree more, although I paid a lot more than $10. It’s just that my work is sponsoring my studies, and I had to choose a study provider. I will be doing F9 completely from Open Tuition and will see how that experience goes. Once again Thank you John
In example 1 on pg 15, why don’t we calculate the maximum profit by multiplying $2 which is the profit per unit with the 19,000 units of A and then with the 10,000 units of B and add them to get a maximum profit of $ 58,000?Why make the assumption about the fixed cost when the profit per unit is given in the question?
The total fixed costs do not change with the level of production (that is the definition of fixed costs). So we have to calculate the total throughput and then subtract the fixed costs.
Wow opentuition is the best thing that ever happened to me,jst reading other people’s questions and the answers from the tutor r so relevant to ma own difficult areas, I going 2 kill these f5 thank u all.
Oh and by that I mean thank you, for the lectures, you just hit straight on the essential things to get one to pass the exam, yes with better chances of course with sufficient practice.
I disagree. The lecture explains what is meant by the bottleneck, and the whole purpose of all our lectures is to help you pass the exam. In terms of the marks available, the bottleneck is relatively few marks.
Hi, John brilliant lecture style thank you very much! Can I ask a question, page 16 of the notes, it says “In a just in time environment we should be attempting to eliminate inventories. Use of a limited resource in production of inventories should be avoided and therefore any work in progress should be valued at only the material cost”
Does this mean that there will be no WIP element of a throughput accounting question? Either way, does this statement mean that throughput accounting only takes into account what resources are available after production of inventory or does it assume that a company does not produce its own inventory at all?..I guess I don’t fully understand the statement!
WIP calculations are certainly not relevant for F5 🙂
The reason that throughput assumes that no inventories are held is that it is assumed that materials are the only true variable cost – i.e. that week by week we buy exactly the material that is needed week by week. If we were keeping inventories then this would not necessarily be the case – we could buy the same materials each week and have inventory left at the end of weeks with low sales, and then use it in weeks when we had high sales. It would make purchases more of a fixed cost in the short them, whereas the essence of throughput accounting is that we regard it as the only real variable cost.
for example if learning curve is 90% how do i find the index of learning please it have been troubling me for long, do explain sir, looking forward for your answer. 🙂
You don’t apply it (and so I can’t use the example!). It is implicit in throughput accounting.
The point is that we assume that materials is a variable cost and that week by week we pay more or less for materials depending on whether we produce more or less.
However, if we were prepared to keep inventory then we could maybe order a constant quantity each week so that if demand is low then we carry forward inventory and use it in weeks when demand is high.
Hi sir this is quite excellent. I am also using the Bpp text and will appreciate your assistance in working a question.
Question.- Example pg 54
Growler manufactures computer components . Health and safety regulations mean that one of its processes can only be operated 8 hours a day. The hourly capacity of this process is 500 units per hour.The selling price of each components is $100 and the unit material cost is $40. The daily total of all factory costs is $144, 000 excluding materials. Expected production is 3600 units per day.
Required:
Calculate the return per factory hour (RPFH)
This is what i was not able to understand. In the working, the RPFH= $30,000.What i do not understand is why 500 was used and not the 8hrs. What is did was 100-40/8=7.5 which is wrong:(
The return per factory hour is 60/time per unit You have divided by 8, but this is not the time per unit! They make 500 per hour, so the hours per unit is 1/500 = 0.002
A production line is likely to have several processes involved. (For example, the production of cars might involve one process where the shape is made, another process where the windows are put in, another process where they are painted. etc. etc.)
The bottleneck process is the one that is the slowest and therefore slows down the whole production. (For example, they may be able to put the windows in on 1000 cars an hours, but if they are only able to paint 600 cars an hour then it will slow down the windows department (there is no point in them doing 1000 an hour because they would all build up while waiting for the painting department to deal with them – of these two, painting would be the bottleneck process.)
For this reason, we apply throughput accounting just to the bottleneck process.
Brilliant lecture sir! 🙂 I have a question though, after finishing the lecture on this chapter I’m about to read the student article on it. I found this one from opentuition:
Read all of them (the OpenTuition one also appeared in Student Accountant – however, it was a while ago so ignore the bit on Backflush accounting because that has been removed from the syllabus).
However, do not spend too much time on them – Throughput accounting was asked in December and so although it could be asked again in June it is rather unlikely.
hello, the lecture was great and well understood,but what if in the event you have more than 1 bottle neck?do we just solve as same with the example above applying same method to the other bottle necks?
The only way that you could have more than one bottleneck would be if two or more processes had exactly the same limits. This will not happen in the exam (and is unlikely in practice). However the solution would be to ‘amalgamate’ the processes and do the arithmetic as though it was one process.
Dear Sir, thank you very much for the great lecture! I still have a question about the throughput accounting ratio (TPAR) though. In the exam when we are asked to calculate the TPAR in a multi-product scenario, should we calculate the TPAR for each product individually or for all the products as a whole? What I mean by ‘as a whole’ is to get only one TPAR by using the total throughput at the optimum production plan. Looking forward to your answer! Cheers!
I’ll second that – fantastic lecture! I’ve been struggling with the Kaplan material. Watching the lecture I found that I was understanding the whole process and could follow each step and it’s now all making sense. I’m a lot more confident now if this comes up in the exam. A big thank you!
Good lecture. It seems a little strange to me that you calculate your fixed cost based on your original budgeted hours in throughput accounting considering they won’t be your fixed costs as you won’t be working to maximum capacity but if that’s they way to do then that’s they way I’ll do it.
True but then why have a fixed cost per unit (as shown in example 2 page 17 as this would change depending on the number of units produced. The fixed cost should just be given as an amount really no? I understand by definition it shouldn’t change just seems a contradictory that it is fixed per unit and not fixed up to a certain production volume.
The cost card has been prepared using absorption costing (because fixed costs are there – they have been absorbed into the unit cost).
However this is not assuming that the actual fixed cost per unit stays the same. The cost card is prepared using budget figures i.e. budget total fixed costs and budget production (in order to, for example, help decide on what selling price to charge).
However, in both conventional contribution analysis (example 1) and throughput accounting (example 2) we assume that the total fixed costs will stay the same. That is why we have calculated the total budgeted fixed costs (using budget production and budget cost per unit) and then assumed that that total remains fixed,
(Absorption costing and marginal costing are not examined specifically in F5 because they were in F2, but the ideas are relevant in, for example, the examples in this chapter. If you want more on absorption and marginal (and the reasons in practice for choosing one method or the other) have a look at the lectures for F2)
Good day Mr John. Thanks for your insightful lectures. However, I noticed in the second example when deducting the fixed costs for both companies, you included ‘other variable costs’ in the equations as well. I wonder why this is so. Thanks for your help always.
Dear Sir, I often seek your help with regards to the comments replies. I have a complex problem that you are only the one to solve: I am doing part-time business( my father is not financially supporting me, so I am in pressure of work and money), However the main problem is that I just could not practice any thing for f4, f5. I take your lectures but all seem to wash off from my mind, due to not prating question, because of very scarce time that I get.
Kindly provide me tips for daily studies and how to study part-time. Kindly also let me know the enough daily practice, I mean how many questions should I do from KIT? My standard plan was to take lectures, study text book and then practice questions. All I am now stuck is at the process of receiving lectures till the maximum text, I cant go ahead of this process due to short time.
It is difficult to add to what I replied to you before. Remember that most of the people taking the exams are working fulltime and have to study in the evenings and weekends – at least you have more time because you are working part time.
What you should do is listen to the lectures (and have the course notes in front of you at the same time). When you feel confident in the topics then you should practice questions from the revision kit.
If there are topics where you feel that you do not really understand, then you should look at the study text – use it as a reference book rather than trying to learn everything in it.
I was just wondering if you could clarify something for me? I understand that the main concept of throughput accounting is that, in the short run, all costs in the factory are likely to be fixed with the exception of material costs. However, after watching your lecture and working through example 2 I don’t understand why the figure for ‘other variable costs’ was not deducted along with the cost of materials as it states other ‘variable’ costs. Please can you answer this question for me, so I can get my head around it?
Normally, we regard materials, direct labour, and variable overheads all as being variable costs.
With throughput accounting, we assume that (in the short-term) the only variable cost is materials and that all others are fixed. So……labour and variable overheads (i.e. other variable costs) are assumed to be fixed.
Fantastic lecture. Very clear and logical approach. I’ve understood this 100% and only needed to watch a single lecture once. John Moffat, I honestly think you are the best lecturer I’ve witnessed!
Thanks to all the people who have made OpenTuition possible!
Thank you very much! I had missed the lectures of throughput accounting in college, n as a revision tests schedule was being planned, i realized that i need to get hold of dis topic as quick as i can! i must say that i had not expected a lecture like this! this is awesome! the best place for revisions, any thing that i have missed, and it certainly is the best guide for students who are studying on self study basis! once again: Thank u for the this great free lecture, m delighted! i will certainly be coming back to this site for sure! i do not know you sir, but i hope that u continue this great work!
Really helpful lecture but I have got a doubt about the example #1. Is it not easier to calculate the max profit using the conventional key analysis as 19000( units of A produced ) * $2 ( profit per unit) + 10000 ( units of B produced ) * $2 = $ 38000 + $ 20000 = $ 58000 ? What I don’t understand is why we need to make that assumption if we got the profit per unit.
The reason is that regardless of how we choose to absorb the fixed overheads, the total fixed overheads are (by definition) fixed, in that the total will not change with the level of production.
Because we are looking at having to change the production quantities we must work on contribution. Once we have the total contribution we can then subtract the total fixed overheads to get the profit..
Could you kindly lecture on Environmental Accounting and Life cycle costing please? Even just the small lecture will do, but it will make easier to understand the topic.
I will record a lecture on life-cycle costing when I have the time.
However there will not be a lecture on environmental accounting for the reasons stated on the index page to the lectures (it would only effectively be reading out the course notes since there can not be any calculations asked!).
Certain things come up more frequently than others. Out of all the past papers I have done there are certain chapters I would focus on at this late stage.
That should be the best bunch of lectures to watch, download and print the notes and follow through the examples. You can skip what you are already confident with!
After that, though I doubt you’ll have time… Chapters 11 and 7 are good all-round chapters for provoking your thought processes in terms of exams.
You can fast-forward through bits of the lectures too. Make sure to take breaks after every chapter, and get a good sleep!
I went through the whole book but just realised I didn’t see all of your lectures. I have just now started finally feeling confident thanks to your great help.
I’ve recently started going on here and watching the lectures and I’ve found them very helpful. Thans a million for that.
I would like to knnow though are these lectures enough to get fully prepared for f5 exam or do I have to read the study book as well? I’ve started studying syllabus few days ago and I’m a bit concerned that I won’t have enough time to get ready for the December’s session, since I wanna do f4, f5 and f6…
@atanaska, hi there even im attempting F5 this time around. it is said that f5 course is pretty lengthy but trust me its not. the calculations are piece of cake and it’ll take u no time to get a hold of them. secondly, the theory part is a bit tricky but in time you’ll perfect it. 3 months are more than enough for f4 ,5 & 6.
Thank you so much. I have started watching the lectures 2 weeks ago and now I am hooked. No gaps no second guessing, It is so much faster to learn than when actually reading study texts.
@henahailu2, Hi there Hailu sounds familiar .Are you from Et? If you are you know what Et stands for. If you are not sorry for the confusion I may have caused.
OT is really helpful .They make the course sound intresting.
trying to open the link in the site but it keeps giving the following error : Video not found. I could watch the other without any problem. Please assist. thanks
@marlise123, I can understand your frustration. I use Mozilla Firefox and it is working. Try it with Mozilla or Google Chrome. As I am typing this the video is still running . It was a bit slow earlier when I was trying to open The costing chapter 13. I gave it a few mnts and tried it again and it worked.
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In revision kit they say inventory should be kept at 0 not even minimum while in bpp they say inventory should be kept minimum so that once bottleneck resource becomes available production can continue….why are they confusing us???
I don’t think they are trying to confuse you 🙂
In an ideal world inventory would be kept to zero. In practice (as you will know from just-in-time) it is not practical for it to be zero but should be kept to a minimum.
Since you are obviously not watching the free lectures (because this is not the correct page) you should ask questions in the Ask the Tutor Forum and not as a comment on a lecture that you have not watched!!!!
Great lecture! 🙂
Thank you very much 🙂
Sir can u explain me about conversion cost and its treament in throughput accounting. Thank u
Thank you for a clear and concise video sir.
And thank you for your comment 🙂
thank you sir we appreciate your help its helpful keep up the good work
Thank you for the comment 🙂
hi sir ! i wanna know about contribution per unit, i mean what it represent profit per unit ????
As I actually write on the screen, contribution is the selling price less the variable costs (which is the same as the profit before fixed costs).
Please, tutor, help me on this:
The cost card per unit for a product is as follows:
Materials 9
Labour (1hr) 6
Other production costs 8
Total 23
The selling price is $30 per unit and each unit requires 6 minutes of machine time. Machine time is a bottleneck resource.
What is the return per factory hour ( in a throughput accounting environment) ?
Solution:
The throughput per unit = 30 – 9 = 21
The machine time per unit = 6 minutes = 6/60 or 0.1
Return per factory hour = 21/0.1 = 210
My question is, where is that ’60’ coming from?
Thanks.
You must ask questions like this in the Ask the Tutor Forum and not as comments on lectures.
There are 60 minutes on one hour, therefore 6 minutes = 6/60 = 0.1 hours.
Pardon me sir. Thank you very much.
You are welcome 🙂
Thank you Mr John Moffatt, your lectures are insightful… I also appreciate ACCA and all partners for laudable opportunities you offer to would-be accountants, irrespective of locations.
Dear Sir,
I’m following your lectures for F5 and this is the 4th chapter. The theoretical part seem fairly easy for me however, when I attempted some exam questions re this topic I always got something wrong! Sometimes I get confused which no of hrs to use when working cost per factory he. Theoretically I know that I should use the no. Of hrs on the bottleneck resource but when I search for the numbers I get confused! The question is too long!
Are there any suggestions which can help?
Thank you
In future please ask this sort of question in the Ask the Tutor Forum and not as a comment on a lecture 🙂
If you understand the idea, then there is no other solution but to practice. Practice on exam-standard questions in your Revision Kit is the most vital thing of all, to get used to the style of questions and get better at finding the right numbers.
Thankyou so much. I wish I knew about this website back when I was going for f2. I’m thinking of giving this and f4 this june and I really hope I can ace them with just this and exam kits alone. God bless you.
Thank you very much for your comment 🙂
i will just like to appreciate that the way you deliver the course is good and makes it look simple and easy to understand. l just hope the exams will equally be easy
Thank you 🙂
sir i have started studying F5 7 days back and came accross this site.. proviede i study hard using ur lectures.. is it possible to pass the F5 exam in march 2016 exams?… i mean to ask if this is a possible task?
Yes it is – download our free Study Guide which links to the lectures and suggests the best past exam questions to attempt.
(In future please ask this sort of question in the Ask the Tutor Forum, and not as a comment on a lecture)
oh sure sir, thank you so much for replying me. And your words encourage a lot, thank you.
You are welcome 🙂
What is difference between throughput factory per hour and Throughput return per factory hour.
Please explain sir
Thanks
Throughput return per factor hour is the throughput (selling price less material cost per unit) divided by the hours per unit.
There is no such term as ‘throughput factory per hour’. However, throughput factory cost per hour is the total costs in the factory (apart from materials) divided by the total hours available.
Both of these terms are in fact explained in the lectures.
OK
thank you very much sir.
THANKS FOR YOUR LECTURE
I ADMIRE ALL YOUR EFFORTS. VERY CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDING.
ONCE MORE. BIG RESPECT SIR..
REGARDS
Thank you for the comment 🙂
If I start studying F5 from today then will I be able to clear it on 8 March 2016?
Certainly – provided you study hard 🙂
Do you think if i start F5 today i can take the exam on march 7th.
1) Why you solve throughput question by marginal approach using Contribution?
2) In assumption “Cost card prepared based on producing to meet maximum demand” means?
3) The Correct solution of this problem is using all cost as fixed cost except Material such as $15 for A and $6 for B, Right?
We don’t use contribution if it is throughput accounting!
In normal key factor analysis we use contribution because as production changes it is only the sales revenue and variable costs that will change – the total fixed costs will not change.
If it is throughput accounting, we use the same logic but assume that the only variable cost is materials. Therefore effectively the contribution becomes sales less materials, but we call it the throughput.
If the cost cards were prepared assuming we produce to meet maximum demand (because when they were prepared they did not know there would be a limit on the time and therefore they would not be able to produce in full). Then the fixed overheads would have been absorbed on the basis of producing to meet full demand. (The absorbing of overheads is Paper F2, although in F5 you will not be asked full absorbing exercises as are asked in F2).
I do suggest that you watch the lecture again, because I do explain all of this in the lecture.
Many many thanks, Sir
You are welcome 🙂
HELP: Company makes 2 products:
X Y
Selling $50 $32
Mat $10 $6
DL $20 $15
Assem Time 20 mins 15 mins
Max Demand 1500 units 1000 units
Max limited 600 hrs
How many units should Y produce: answer 400 Units – HOW?
You must ask this in the F5 Ask the Tutor Forum, and not as a comment on a lecture.
Good day sir john ,
I was just thinking that can he ask us a throughput accounting question with learning curve in calculating labour cost ? if yes then how to deal that question ? please advise
thanks
I cannot imagine that she would.
Dear Sir,
Please advise if there is any chapter wise MCQs test available on this site?
Thanks & best regards.
In future please ask this kind of question in the Ask the Tutor Forum and not as a comment on a lecture.
There are MCQ practice tests for each chapter. If you go to the main F5 page then you will find a link to them.
The lecture didn’t explained how to overcome with the problem of bottleneck
So?
There will always be a bottleneck as should be clear if you understood the rest of the lecture – as you remove one then another process becomes the bottleneck. The lecture does not need to say more!
Thank you for the lecture. It clarifies my worries on TPAR
actually they are really helpfull and the have taken me some where
are past exam papers enough to help me pass my exams if i don’t have rev kits??i downloaded all the past papers from 2010 December to June 2015?
You really should buy Revision Kits.
Partly because they contain many more questions, but also because past exams before last December do not contain MCQ’s. The Revision Kits have lots of MCQ’s to practice on (and section A with the MCQ’s is 40% of the total marks).
These lectures are wonderful. They certainly help to clarify the material in greater details. Thank You John
Thanks a lot 🙂
I am pleased that you find them useful.
I rarely ever comment on things, but you are amazing.
1 month to learn and pass F5, for September..possible?
Thank you 🙂
And yes, it is possible provided you are prepared to put in a lot of time – both to watch the lectures and then to practice all of the examples in your Revision Kit.
Brilliant lecture. Thank you so much and God bless.
Thank you 🙂
Heeeeeey sir! Long time no see haha. I just completed my CAT and just started ACCA F4-F6. I must say sir your lecture is brilliant as always, it blew my mind haha! Totally excellent-quality lecture, I truly value your contribution (see what I did there xD). Jokes aside, you are legendary, sir John Moffat. Hats off! God bless you a long life.
Thank you 🙂
Very well explained. I was a bit confused about Throughput accounting from my paid lectures at LSBF, but your to the point examples and explanations were amazing.
Thank you very much
I can’t understand why anyone would pay even $10 for F5 lectures,, when you can find on opentuition complete set free.
Paid is not always better
Couldn’t agree more, although I paid a lot more than $10. It’s just that my work is sponsoring my studies, and I had to choose a study provider.
I will be doing F9 completely from Open Tuition and will see how that experience goes.
Once again Thank you John
Thanks a lot 🙂
Thank you umer 🙂
you can completely trust on opentuition lectures for F9, I passed my f9 in my first attempt just by these lectures and a revision kit from BPP
Hello John,
In example 1 on pg 15, why don’t we calculate the maximum profit by multiplying $2 which is the profit per unit with the 19,000 units of A and then with the 10,000 units of B and add them to get a maximum profit of $ 58,000?Why make the assumption about the fixed cost when the profit per unit is given in the question?
This is because we pre setup the factory assuming that we’d be producing that much (10,000 and 20,000). Hope this helps.
The total fixed costs do not change with the level of production (that is the definition of fixed costs). So we have to calculate the total throughput and then subtract the fixed costs.
Thank you
people I’m not able to view the lectures, what can i do or what do I need to install.
thanks in advance
Go to the support page – the link is above – and you will get help there.
Wow opentuition is the best thing that ever happened to me,jst reading other people’s questions and the answers from the tutor r so relevant to ma own difficult areas, I going 2 kill these f5 thank u all.
Oh and by that I mean thank you, for the lectures, you just hit straight on the essential things to get one to pass the exam, yes with better chances of course with sufficient practice.
John I love you man and I enjoy your lectures more when in class, you are just alive with the jokes 🙂
Oh,,,you had the chance to be on his classes, that is amazing. I wish I were that lucky. He is really an excellent lecturer.
Thanks a lot. That was really helpful, but I think more details explanation with the example for bottleneck topic is needed.
I disagree. The lecture explains what is meant by the bottleneck, and the whole purpose of all our lectures is to help you pass the exam.
In terms of the marks available, the bottleneck is relatively few marks.
Oh! Great. Thanks for your reply.
Hi, John brilliant lecture style thank you very much!
Can I ask a question, page 16 of the notes, it says
“In a just in time environment we should be attempting to eliminate inventories. Use of a limited resource in production of inventories should be avoided and therefore any work in progress should be valued at only the material cost”
Does this mean that there will be no WIP element of a throughput accounting question?
Either way, does this statement mean that throughput accounting only takes into account what resources are available after production of inventory or does it assume that a company does not produce its own inventory at all?..I guess I don’t fully understand the statement!
Cheers
WIP calculations are certainly not relevant for F5 🙂
The reason that throughput assumes that no inventories are held is that it is assumed that materials are the only true variable cost – i.e. that week by week we buy exactly the material that is needed week by week. If we were keeping inventories then this would not necessarily be the case – we could buy the same materials each week and have inventory left at the end of weeks with low sales, and then use it in weeks when we had high sales. It would make purchases more of a fixed cost in the short them, whereas the essence of throughput accounting is that we regard it as the only real variable cost.
sir contribution means profit or cost of the product?
Neither!!
I actually write on the screen in the lecture what the definition is.
It is the selling price less the variable costs (which is the same as the profit before any fixed costs).
Hi Sir, I was wondering if you have lecture on Back flush accounting?
No. Backflush accounting is not in the syllabus any more.
my pc cant play the HD recorded videos what should i do or install
Excellent Lecture. Mr john Moffat you really make my learning interesting !!! : )
Thanks a tonne : )
Please ask this in the F5 Ask the ACCA Tutor Forum – not under a lecture on throughput accounting.
for example if learning curve is 90% how do i find the index of learning please it have been troubling me for long, do explain sir, looking forward for your answer. 🙂
*learning rate
Hi John!
How do I apply the second assumption of – inventory levels of materials are kept low? Could you use the example 2 in the course notes to explain?
Thanks!
You don’t apply it (and so I can’t use the example!). It is implicit in throughput accounting.
The point is that we assume that materials is a variable cost and that week by week we pay more or less for materials depending on whether we produce more or less.
However, if we were prepared to keep inventory then we could maybe order a constant quantity each week so that if demand is low then we carry forward inventory and use it in weeks when demand is high.
Got it! Thanks again!
You are welcome 🙂
This is great. I shall practice more questions and revert where approprate.
@Johnmoffat
Hi sir this is quite excellent. I am also using the Bpp text and will appreciate your assistance in working a question.
Question.- Example pg 54
Growler manufactures computer components . Health and safety regulations mean that one of its processes can only be operated 8 hours a day. The hourly capacity of this process is 500 units per hour.The selling price of each components is $100 and the unit material cost is $40. The daily total of all factory costs is $144, 000 excluding materials. Expected production is 3600 units per day.
Required:
Calculate the return per factory hour (RPFH)
This is what i was not able to understand. In the working, the RPFH= $30,000.What i do not understand is why 500 was used and not the 8hrs. What is did was 100-40/8=7.5 which is wrong:(
Thanking You
Tempe
The return per factory hour is 60/time per unit
You have divided by 8, but this is not the time per unit!
They make 500 per hour, so the hours per unit is 1/500 = 0.002
Oh my! I see the error of my ways better now than in the exam!Thanks Sir:)
Hi Sir,
Can you please explain what bottleneck process means??? Most of the throughtput accounting questions have mentioned. please assist. thanks sir.
A production line is likely to have several processes involved. (For example, the production of cars might involve one process where the shape is made, another process where the windows are put in, another process where they are painted. etc. etc.)
The bottleneck process is the one that is the slowest and therefore slows down the whole production. (For example, they may be able to put the windows in on 1000 cars an hours, but if they are only able to paint 600 cars an hour then it will slow down the windows department (there is no point in them doing 1000 an hour because they would all build up while waiting for the painting department to deal with them – of these two, painting would be the bottleneck process.)
For this reason, we apply throughput accounting just to the bottleneck process.
Thank you so much sir, only few days left for the exam and still take long time understand the question and also do stupid mistakes. 🙁
Sir plz guide me that which kit is most beneficial for f5 kaplan or bpp ?
Sir why r we taking throughput per unit of “A” as 8.5 rather than 17?
oops srry !
Is learning f5 theory from opentution course notes alone, sufficient enough for answering theory questions in f5 exam? Pls reply… Thank you
From the notes alone – no.
But from the notes and lectures together, then yes!
However, it is important to make sure you understand – if you really understand then it is not so much a question of learning for the written parts.
(And make sure that you practice lots of questions – preferably using an Exam/Revision Kit from one of the approved publishers)
PS If you expect a reply from a tutor then ask in the Ask the ACCA Tutor Forum. Here is just for comments on the lectures.
Thanks alot sir:-) … Yes, i do have the bpp revision kit for the practice. And sorry for asking this question here.
Why did we use 20,000 for fixed cost instead of 19,000? please explain
But I did explain in the lecture.
The originally budgeted fixed cost was 20,000, and by definition the total fixed cost will not change even if the production changes.
ok I understand, thanks
very explanative , thanks alot
Brilliant lecture sir! 🙂 I have a question though, after finishing the lecture on this chapter I’m about to read the student article on it. I found this one from opentuition:
https://opentuition.com/acca/f5/acca-f5-article-throughput-accounting-and-back-flush-costing/
and this one from ACCA website:
https://www.accaglobal.com/gb/en/student/acca-qual-student-journey/qual-resource/acca-qualification/f5/technical-articles/throughput-constraints1.html
https://www.accaglobal.com/gb/en/student/acca-qual-student-journey/qual-resource/acca-qualification/f5/technical-articles/throughput-constraints2.html
Should I read the opentuition or or the one from acca website?
Thank you sir 🙂
Read all of them (the OpenTuition one also appeared in Student Accountant – however, it was a while ago so ignore the bit on Backflush accounting because that has been removed from the syllabus).
However, do not spend too much time on them – Throughput accounting was asked in December and so although it could be asked again in June it is rather unlikely.
hello,
the lecture was great and well understood,but what if in the event you have more than 1 bottle neck?do we just solve as same with the example above applying same method to the other bottle necks?
thanks
The only way that you could have more than one bottleneck would be if two or more processes had exactly the same limits.
This will not happen in the exam (and is unlikely in practice). However the solution would be to ‘amalgamate’ the processes and do the arithmetic as though it was one process.
Dear Sir, thank you very much for the great lecture!
I still have a question about the throughput accounting ratio (TPAR) though. In the exam when we are asked to calculate the TPAR in a multi-product scenario, should we calculate the TPAR for each product individually or for all the products as a whole? What I mean by ‘as a whole’ is to get only one TPAR by using the total throughput at the optimum production plan.
Looking forward to your answer! Cheers!
You should calculate it for each product separately.
I am having problem with video i can’t see it anymore help
The lecture is working fine. If you are still having problems, go to the technical support page – you might find the answer to your problem there.
What a Lecture! Thanks
I was looking into BPP materials on this topic, found lot of it confusing and this theory of constraint.
I’ll second that – fantastic lecture! I’ve been struggling with the Kaplan material. Watching the lecture I found that I was understanding the whole process and could follow each step and it’s now all making sense. I’m a lot more confident now if this comes up in the exam. A big thank you!
you are,this lesson will remain a vital asset for me.
I really need help with f5 anyone willing to help?
How? Do u want a study-mate?
Yes I really do.
Alright maybe we could study together. I am writing F5, F7, F8 and F9.
Great – good luck 🙂
If there are any problems that you cannot sort out together then please do post them in the ‘Ask the Tutor’ forum and I will do my best to help.
this lecture was awesome
Good lecture. It seems a little strange to me that you calculate your fixed cost based on your original budgeted hours in throughput accounting considering they won’t be your fixed costs as you won’t be working to maximum capacity but if that’s they way to do then that’s they way I’ll do it.
But fixed costs by definition will not change with the hours worked.
True but then why have a fixed cost per unit (as shown in example 2 page 17 as this would change depending on the number of units produced. The fixed cost should just be given as an amount really no? I understand by definition it shouldn’t change just seems a contradictory that it is fixed per unit and not fixed up to a certain production volume.
The cost card has been prepared using absorption costing (because fixed costs are there – they have been absorbed into the unit cost).
However this is not assuming that the actual fixed cost per unit stays the same. The cost card is prepared using budget figures i.e. budget total fixed costs and budget production (in order to, for example, help decide on what selling price to charge).
However, in both conventional contribution analysis (example 1) and throughput accounting (example 2) we assume that the total fixed costs will stay the same. That is why we have calculated the total budgeted fixed costs (using budget production and budget cost per unit) and then assumed that that total remains fixed,
(Absorption costing and marginal costing are not examined specifically in F5 because they were in F2, but the ideas are relevant in, for example, the examples in this chapter. If you want more on absorption and marginal (and the reasons in practice for choosing one method or the other) have a look at the lectures for F2)
No that makes sense the fact that it is prepared using budgeted figures. Cheers
Good day Mr John. Thanks for your insightful lectures. However, I noticed in the second example when deducting the fixed costs for both companies, you included ‘other variable costs’ in the equations as well. I wonder why this is so. Thanks for your help always.
It is because throughput accounting treats all costs as fixed (in the short term) except for materials.
Are the lectures disabled for mobile devices? They say page not found every time I try to access.
No – they should work on mobile devices also.
Look at the support page – the link is just below the lecture. It should help you.
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Dear Sir,
I often seek your help with regards to the comments replies. I have a complex problem that you are only the one to solve:
I am doing part-time business( my father is not financially supporting me, so I am in pressure of work and money), However the main problem is that I just could not practice any thing for f4, f5. I take your lectures but all seem to wash off from my mind, due to not prating question, because of very scarce time that I get.
Kindly provide me tips for daily studies and how to study part-time. Kindly also let me know the enough daily practice, I mean how many questions should I do from KIT? My standard plan was to take lectures, study text book and then practice questions. All I am now stuck is at the process of receiving lectures till the maximum text, I cant go ahead of this process due to short time.
Please solve my problem.
Many Thanks
It is difficult to add to what I replied to you before. Remember that most of the people taking the exams are working fulltime and have to study in the evenings and weekends – at least you have more time because you are working part time.
What you should do is listen to the lectures (and have the course notes in front of you at the same time).
When you feel confident in the topics then you should practice questions from the revision kit.
If there are topics where you feel that you do not really understand, then you should look at the study text – use it as a reference book rather than trying to learn everything in it.
ok….thank you
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There is no download button!
Lectures can only be watched on line. You can download the course notes, but not lectures.
Hello
Great Lecture!
I was just wondering if you could clarify something for me? I understand that the main concept of throughput accounting is that, in the short run, all costs in the factory are likely to be fixed with the exception of material costs. However, after watching your lecture and working through example 2 I don’t understand why the figure for ‘other variable costs’ was not deducted along with the cost of materials as it states other ‘variable’ costs. Please can you answer this question for me, so I can get my head around it?
Thank you
Charlotte
Normally, we regard materials, direct labour, and variable overheads all as being variable costs.
With throughput accounting, we assume that (in the short-term) the only variable cost is materials and that all others are fixed. So……labour and variable overheads (i.e. other variable costs) are assumed to be fixed.
Ok. Thank you for getting back to me so quickly.
Ill just make a note that the only variable cost short term is materials!
Thank you
Charlotte
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Hi, Can i download the lectures to watch later?
No, you can only watch on line –
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Fantastic lecture. Very clear and logical approach. I’ve understood this 100% and only needed to watch a single lecture once. John Moffat, I honestly think you are the best lecturer I’ve witnessed!
Thanks to all the people who have made OpenTuition possible!
Thank you 🙂
Thank you very much! I had missed the lectures of throughput accounting in college, n as a revision tests schedule was being planned, i realized that i need to get hold of dis topic as quick as i can! i must say that i had not expected a lecture like this! this is awesome! the best place for revisions, any thing that i have missed, and it certainly is the best guide for students who are studying on self study basis! once again: Thank u for the this great free lecture, m delighted! i will certainly be coming back to this site for sure! i do not know you sir, but i hope that u continue this great work!
Nice lecture!!! Thanks a lot sir……
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It is very good lecture I hope it be usefull for all students, please every one give me advise I NEW ACCA STUDENT
best wishes to all acca students
What sort of advice are you wanting? 🙂
Really helpful lecture but I have got a doubt about the example #1.
Is it not easier to calculate the max profit using the conventional key analysis as 19000( units of A produced ) * $2 ( profit per unit) + 10000 ( units of B produced ) * $2 = $ 38000 + $ 20000 = $ 58000 ?
What I don’t understand is why we need to make that assumption if we got the profit per unit.
thanks
Well…that would give the wrong total profit 🙂
The reason is that regardless of how we choose to absorb the fixed overheads, the total fixed overheads are (by definition) fixed, in that the total will not change with the level of production.
Because we are looking at having to change the production quantities we must work on contribution. Once we have the total contribution we can then subtract the total fixed overheads to get the profit..
Very helpful….Thank you so much Sir…
Thank you 🙂
Great!!!
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My teacher considered contribution/ unit of the limiting factor.. Which approach is right/better? Thanks! 🙂
got the answer.. 🙂
Great 🙂
Thanks for quick reply.
Many thanks…..your help is much appreciated!!
You are welcome 🙂
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but it says “404 NOT FOUND”
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all you gonna do is just refresh your browser. =)
Could you kindly lecture on Environmental Accounting and Life cycle costing please?
Even just the small lecture will do, but it will make easier to understand the topic.
Many thanks..Great job!!
I will record a lecture on life-cycle costing when I have the time.
However there will not be a lecture on environmental accounting for the reasons stated on the index page to the lectures (it would only effectively be reading out the course notes since there can not be any calculations asked!).
I wish I knew about Open Tuition sooner, I only have 2 days before the exam. Still hoping the best.
@trini83, Good luck, and remember us for your next set of exams 🙂
@trini83, Sigh you are not alone.
Macoya centre.
Good Luck!
Thank you.
Macoya Centre, as in “Centre of Excellence”?
@trini83, Good luck!
Certain things come up more frequently than others. Out of all the past papers I have done there are certain chapters I would focus on at this late stage.
Chapter 1 (Activity Based Costing) – 74 minutes for the three lectures.
Chapter 8 (CVP) – 69 minutes.
Chapter 13 (Standard costing and basic variance) – 103 minutes.
Chapter 14 (More variances) – 121 minutes.
Chapter 15 (Financial performance measurement) – 49 minutes.
Chapter 16 (Non financial performance measures) – 26 minutes.
That should be the best bunch of lectures to watch, download and print the notes and follow through the examples. You can skip what you are already confident with!
After that, though I doubt you’ll have time… Chapters 11 and 7 are good all-round chapters for provoking your thought processes in terms of exams.
You can fast-forward through bits of the lectures too. Make sure to take breaks after every chapter, and get a good sleep!
Good luck again!
Excellent Lecture!!!
I went through the whole book but just realised I didn’t see all of your lectures. I have just now started finally feeling confident thanks to your great help.
thank you again!
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how can i get to listen to the lecture?
@jiangsxjiangsx, lecture play fine, use modern browser – and do not use any download managers. they corrupt the video stream
why cant i listen to the lecture?whats mean of “the materials are removed”?
very very helpul lecture 🙂 short and to the point 🙂
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Is it possible to download lectures? It will help students like me to study offline with these video lectures who has no internet or slow internet.
No, lectures are on line only, that’s the only way to keep this site free and on line.
for offline use – buy a study text
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I was somewhat lost with this topic but since I watched this lecture I actually understand. Thanks a million 🙂
Hi there,
I’ve recently started going on here and watching the lectures and I’ve found them very helpful. Thans a million for that.
I would like to knnow though are these lectures enough to get fully prepared for f5 exam or do I have to read the study book as well? I’ve started studying syllabus few days ago and I’m a bit concerned that I won’t have enough time to get ready for the December’s session, since I wanna do f4, f5 and f6…
Thanks 🙂
Atty
@atanaska, hi there
even im attempting F5 this time around. it is said that f5 course is pretty lengthy but trust me its not. the calculations are piece of cake and it’ll take u no time to get a hold of them. secondly, the theory part is a bit tricky but in time you’ll perfect it.
3 months are more than enough for f4 ,5 & 6.
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@henahailu2, Hi there Hailu sounds familiar .Are you from Et? If you are you know what Et stands for. If you are not sorry for the confusion I may have caused.
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trying to open the link in the site but it keeps giving the following error : Video not found. I could watch the other without any problem. Please assist.
thanks
@marlise123, Try to log out and log in or try different broweser. It works fine for me.
Good Luck!
@Et, nope i logged out and still cant open it. How do i open it in a different browser?
AAAAARRRGGGHHH!!! sobbing!! :’ /
@marlise123, I can understand your frustration. I use Mozilla Firefox and it is working. Try it with Mozilla or Google Chrome. As I am typing this the video is still running . It was a bit slow earlier when I was trying to open The costing chapter 13. I gave it a few mnts and tried it again and it worked.
these chapters is not working on my ipad. please let me know how i can view the class.
thank
not all F5 lectures are supported to work on the iPad at the moment
Thanks a lot, now it clear!!
This lecturer is really great!! So simple explanations and straight to the point with real examples… everything makes perfect sense to me… Thank you
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It gives the error that “Video not found”.
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gud 1 sir,cn plz lecture on chapter 3 also.a small request.
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