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May 19, 2015 at 4:49 pm
I hope you don’t mind me asking a question; just slightly confused on question 2:-
‘Moira prepares its financial statements for the year to 30 April each year. The company pays rent for its
premises quarterly in advance on 1 January, 1 April, 1 July and 1 October each year. The annual rent was
$201,600 per year until 30 June 2008. It was increased from that date to $230,400 per year.
What rent expense and end of year prepayment should be included in the financial statements for the
year ended 30 April 2009?
A $223,200 $19,200
B $223,200 $38,400
C $225,600 $9,200
D $225,600 $38,400’
Having looked at the answer ‘(201,600 × 2/12) + (230,400 × 10/12) = 225,600; 230,400 × 2/12 = 38,400’, I was just wondering why it’s worked out at 2/12?
Thank you very much.
Ps Your lectures are extremely helpful and informative, they make self study a lot less daunting, and for that I would like to thank you very much!
May 19, 2015 at 8:54 pm
expense calc: 201,600x(2 of May+June) + 230,400x(10 of July+Aug+Sept+Oct+Nov+Dec+Jan+Feb+March+April ( <<we paying here on April 1 for 3 months, where 2 of them p/payment)=225,600
P/payment calc: Co. pays quarterly, so the last payment was on April 1. From April 1 to our year end 1 month so P/payment is 2 month of 230,400 which is 38, 400.
i guess our teacher agrees:)
May 17, 2015 at 10:30 pm
some quires seem to appear.
1) when we pay in advance, the payment (even though it is Prepayment) is recorded as insurance expense for the year because…we already incurred the cost, right? the amount exceeding the expense for the accounting year is recognised then as a prepayment?
2) when we paying the bills in advance in the June for annual insurance for example and if our acc.period is standard 01.01-31.12 – so, we recognise the difference between the year for which we paid (expense) and our year ended as (=) prepayment?
So the periodical difference is actually difference between our acc.periods and books and the tax, insurance and rent collecting bodies’?
3) if we told that somebody paid in June (prepayment) we should recognise the starting period as the next one and if paid as accruals then starting from the previous?
John Moffat says
May 18, 2015 at 9:33 am
1) We record the cash we pay – we have to. If we have paid some of next years expense then the amount prepaid is not an expense of this year and is show as an asset at the end of this year.
2) There is no such thing as a standard accounting period – the business’s year can end whenever we want. If the amount paid during our year is different than the actual amount used in our year then we have either an accrual (because we have paid less) or a prepayment (because we have paid more).
I don’t know what you mean by difference between our books and tax, insurance bodies. They are not our problem anyway.
3) I am sorry but I do not understand what you are asking
Everything needed is covered in this lecture.
May 18, 2015 at 4:00 pm
“If the amount paid during our year is different than the actual amount used in our year then we have either an accrual (because we have paid less) or a prepayment (because we have paid more).” – That’s all I needed. Ingenious!!!
May 18, 2015 at 4:07 pm
3) I mean if we told that somebody paid in June (in advance for a quarter) we should recognise the starting period as the next month (July August September) and if paid as accruals in June (for previous quarter) then we paying for march april may?
May 18, 2015 at 5:07 pm
3. It really depends on the wording and you have to read very carefully. If they pay in advance at the beginning of June, then you would assume they were paying for June, July, August (unless, obviously, the question said different).
If they paid in arrears in June, then you would assume they were paying for March, April, and May (unless, again, the question said different).
March 26, 2015 at 4:18 pm
regarding to example 1 in this chapter, (c) in Insurance T account, how do we get 2400? Instead should it be $2800? since on year 2000 they paid $2800 and an extra prepayment for the next 6 months of $1000?
March 26, 2015 at 5:23 pm
There is no 2,400 in the T account for example 1 !! You have not been listening carefully.
After we have finished example 1, we then go on to example 3 in the Lecture Notes which is the same business but in the following year i.e. 2001. In 2001 in example 3, the payment is 2,400.
I assume that you have watched the earlier lectures (because they follow on from each other) and that also you have the free Lecture Notes in front of you. There is no point in watching the lectures without having the lecture notes in front of you because the examples that I am explaining are from the Lecture Notes.
February 18, 2015 at 4:24 pm
I was just wandering! what if we post the the whole payment to the prepayment account instead of the insurance expense account and then month by month start crediting the prepayment account and debiting our insurance expense account? The example you have given could be suitable maybe for an exam, but in the real life work environment, we have to declare our financial statements every month. your thoughts please??
February 18, 2015 at 4:48 pm
In real life there are several ways that you can do it. What you suggest is fine if you have to prepare statements every month (although for F3, statements only have to be prepared once a year by law.) Preparing them monthly is more management accounting.
August 15, 2015 at 7:05 am
is it ok to debit the prepayment at the time of the payment, credit prepayment at the end of the year and debit the insurance expense at the end of the year?
August 15, 2015 at 9:36 am
By all means – how you do the entries does not matter provided you end up with the correct expense and the correct prepayment. However why do you want to do it differently?
Do appreciate that you will not be asked to write up the t-account anyway in the exam – there is very little testing of double entry. What is needed is to be able to calculate the expense and/or the prepayment quickly and to do it in a t-account takes far too long. The main problem in the exam is speed.
February 16, 2015 at 7:42 pm
Hi Sir , I would like to ask the following question , Example one -05 Jan 2000 – $800 for 6 months to 30 June 2000 , Because payment was made on 5th of Jan , did we overpay since for 5 days in Jan we remained Uninsured?
February 16, 2015 at 8:14 pm
No – since the payment was for 6 months, we were insured for the period 1 January until 30 June.
February 2, 2015 at 11:01 pm
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February 3, 2015 at 7:38 am
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July 6, 2015 at 1:07 pm
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July 6, 2015 at 1:39 pm
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July 6, 2015 at 2:17 pm
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July 6, 2015 at 2:34 pm
Thanks for replying! I will try to contact my Internet provider then, but it’ll be better if I can access the videos through YouTube. Unfortunately, there’s only few F3 videos. I sincerely hope that you could upload all the tutorials to YouTube. Thanks in advance
January 26, 2015 at 8:18 pm
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June 22, 2014 at 9:13 pm
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May 31, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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May 31, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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April 12, 2014 at 2:34 pm
Kindly help with this question
In October 2013, insurance of $2,400 was paid for the year to 30/11/2014. In October 2014,
insurance of $3,000 was paid for the year to 30/11/2015.
What expense for insurance should be shown in the income statement for the year ended
31/12/2014, and what accrual or prepayment would be shown in the statements of
financial position of 31/12/2013 and 31/12/2014?
A- Expense $2,500; accrual 31/12/2013 = $2,000; accrual 31/12/2014 = $2,500
B- Expense $2,450; prepayment 31/12/2013 = $2,400; prepayment 31/12/2014 = $2,750
C- Expense $2,500; prepayment 31/12/2013 = $2,000; prepayment 31/12/2014 = $2,500
D- Expense $2,450; accrual 31/12/2013 = $2,400; accrual 31/12/2014 = $2,750
April 12, 2014 at 2:42 pm
We need the expense for Jan to Dec 2014.
From Jan to Nov (11 months) it was at the rate of $2400 per year
For Dec, it was at the rate of $3000.
So….take 11 months at 2400/12 per month, and 1 month at 3000/12 per month.
At the end of December in both years you have prepaid (because already paid up to end November the following year). So both years have a prepayment.
You do not need to calculate the amount (although it is 11 months) because there is only one answer that is then possible.
April 12, 2014 at 4:53 pm
March 21, 2014 at 12:29 am
gn john, thank you very much for ur help. And now I know I will direct my question on the ask tutor forum.
March 20, 2014 at 12:49 am
need some explanation Question 5 of the test Re: Accruals & Prepayments
Need to know how to arrive at the answer that u. I am baffled .
March 20, 2014 at 4:26 pm
(Please ask this sort of question in the F3 Ask ACCA Tutor Forum – it is not possible for me to always read all the comments and so I might miss questions posted here.)
Our year is 1 July 2007 to 30 June 2008.
Up to 31 March 2008, insurance was at the rate of 25920 a year.
From 1 April 2008, it was 28,800 per year.
So, from 1 July 2007 up to 31 March 2008, we have 9 months and the cost is therefore 9/12 x 25920 = 19440
From 1 April 2008 to 30 June 2008, we have 3 months and the cost is therefore 3/12 x 28800 = 7200.
This gives a total cost for our year of 19440 + 7200 = 26640.
It should be clear from the dates that we are paying in advance and will therefore have a prepayment at 30 June, so the answer has to be A. (There is actually no need to calculate here because there is no other possibility. However we have prepaid 9 months at the rate of 28800 per year).
March 16, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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March 16, 2014 at 12:44 pm
The website is working fine – the problem must be at your end.
I assume that you have looked at the technical support page?
(and I assume that you are not trying to download the lecture – lectures are deliberately not downloadable)
August 30, 2014 at 12:46 pm
I am also experiencing the same issue. The problem is that the videos were working just fine until yesterday. But I am getting this message now. I have not changed any settings in browser or elsewhere. This is the reason I am a little confused why the videos are not working now.
Will really appreciate your help on this. Thanks.
August 30, 2014 at 1:10 pm
You mean that you are getting ‘error loading skin’ etc messages? (Because the comment in March was due to the person trying to download the file!)
The lectures are all working fine – the problem must be due to the internet connection at your end, or to your browser having automatically updated (and changed settings at the same time)
February 3, 2014 at 2:15 pm
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October 6, 2013 at 5:30 am
October 1, 2013 at 1:03 pm
when they say its $1200 for 12 months does it actually mean 600 for 6 moths and remaining 6 months 600 (1200/2) or we have to assume it in this manner because in real life for example it can be 700 for 6 months and 500 for the remaining 6 months unless the examiner mentions it like this you cannot find the correct amount for the correct period
October 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Unless you are told differently, you have no choice except to assume that the cost occurs evenly over the period of the particular invoice (so in your example, 100 per month).
In the exam there is nothing else we can do and so we always assume that to be the case (unless again you are specifically told differently).
August 16, 2013 at 11:31 pm
hello guys this is my first time on opentuition heard about it from a friend and i hope i will be able to get some answers to my problems thxs, first of all i really have problems with ACCRUALS AND PREPAYMENT,i just hate it with passion that makes me hard headed
August 3, 2013 at 11:43 am
I could get this question right on the test, could someone please explain what a Debit/Credit balance on Suspense account would mean and what could be the possible reasons for such to occur thru an example?
August 3, 2013 at 11:50 am
A balance on the suspense account means that somewhere the double entry is not correct and therefore the trial balance will not balance.
For example, if we make cash sales of $1,000, then the correct entry should have been to debit cash 1000 and credit sales 1000.
But suppose by mistake, the entry had been to debit cash 1000 and credit sales with 100.
Obviously this is wrong, and the trial balance would not balance. The total of the debit balances would be 900 more than the total of the credit balances.
To make the trial balance balance we need an extra credit of 900. So we would put a credit balance on the suspense account of 900. Then we know that we need to find an error of 900.
When we find the mistake, then to put it right we credit sales with 900 (which means that the total on sales is now correct). The double entry is to debit suspense with 900. So the balance on suspense is now zero – that means that the double entry now works and there are no more double entry errors to find.
August 3, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Ok understood. Therefore, if there is a debit balance on the Suspense A/C for example, then wud it mean that the credit side of the trial balance is higher and vice-versa and that we need to find the error which is leading to a heavier credit?
August 3, 2013 at 4:55 pm
zaw min htaik says
August 3, 2013 at 11:12 am
I have finished LCCI3 but i dont know which part i should be studied to improve my accountancy . plz give me some suggestion .
August 3, 2013 at 11:36 am
The LCCI does not publish the syllabuses and so it is not really possible to say which parts of ACCA you should study.
ACCA Paper F3 is equivalent to LCCI 3 + LCCI 4.
Best really is to work through all of F3 – some parts you should find just revision and therefore easy. Other parts will be new to you, but will be useful.
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