Excellent lecture,i couldnt understand the calcuation of the redeemable debt but no i do.
The only queston i have is on the fomula you used for IRR on example 8.
In the Kaplan text book it shows the formula as being IRR=L+ NL/(NL-NH)x(H-L)
Calculation in the example in the notes used x for the part NL/(NL x NH) although the result for the example was found using addition NL/(NL+NH) which you also used in the video lecture.
The text says minus sign NL/(NL-NH).
So whats the correct formula? Is it plus or minus?
Did you write a -ve 85 in year 0 because it is from the investor’s perspective? If so, Why did you deduct corporation tax from the interest income? Tax allowance is for the companies right?
We show the 85 as negative simply because we are used to calculating IRR’s for projects when the flow at time 0 is an outflow and is followed by inflows. By all means show 85 as positive and all the other flows as negative – the IRR will obviously be exactly the same.
I only deducted the tax from the interest when calculating the cost of debt to the company – the company gets the tax saving.
Thanks very much for your teaching, which is super helpful.
I am just wondering in terms of Example 8. For a bond that will be redeemed at a premium, will the premium (say 10% in this case) tax deductible, as it is still part of the Finance Cost? Or, we just follow the rules that we always treat redemption as non-deductible?
carolinkurian says
Hello Sir,
I am confused as to when and when not to consider tax while calculating cost of debt?
John Moffat says
Tax is always considered when calculating the cost of debt to the company.
Maybe you are confusing it with the return to investors , which is calculated pre-tax because investors are not affected by company tax.
janetkatembo01 says
Hi Sir,
Excellent lecture,i couldnt understand the calcuation of the redeemable debt but no i do.
The only queston i have is on the fomula you used for IRR on example 8.
In the Kaplan text book it shows the formula as being IRR=L+ NL/(NL-NH)x(H-L)
Calculation in the example in the notes used x for the part NL/(NL x NH) although the result for the example was found using addition NL/(NL+NH) which you also used in the video lecture.
The text says minus sign NL/(NL-NH).
So whats the correct formula? Is it plus or minus?
Kindly assist.Thanking you in advance
janetkatembo01 says
Hi John,
I was just double checking now again,i notice that that the present value @ 15% is -10.22 hence the addition nstead of minus.Am i right?
The only thing is the error i guess where in the solution its printed as x multiplication.
However i understand the reason behind the addition.
Thanks
John Moffat says
That is correct and I am pleased that you are now clear about it 馃檪
Amer says
Did you write a -ve 85 in year 0 because it is from the investor’s perspective? If so, Why did you deduct corporation tax from the interest income? Tax allowance is for the companies right?
John Moffat says
We show the 85 as negative simply because we are used to calculating IRR’s for projects when the flow at time 0 is an outflow and is followed by inflows.
By all means show 85 as positive and all the other flows as negative – the IRR will obviously be exactly the same.
I only deducted the tax from the interest when calculating the cost of debt to the company – the company gets the tax saving.
larryfan says
Dear Lecturer,
Thanks very much for your teaching, which is super helpful.
I am just wondering in terms of Example 8. For a bond that will be redeemed at a premium, will the premium (say 10% in this case) tax deductible, as it is still part of the Finance Cost? Or, we just follow the rules that we always treat redemption as non-deductible?
Thanks and look forward to your reply.
John Moffat says
No – for Paper F9 the whole of the repayment (including the premium) is not tax deductible.
accastudentofoman says
Lecture is superb!
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John Moffat says
Thank you very much (both for this comment and the other post) 馃檪
SHEDRACH says
This is simply straight to point. Exam focused!!!
John Moffat says
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