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ACCA F9 When (and when not!) to use the WACC for Investment appraisal

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  1. tami005 says

    November 17, 2015 at 6:21 pm

    hello sir ,Excellent lecture but when i solve the cost of loan notes with irr formula the answer turns out to be a bit different
    ie:5%+(7.49/28.89*0.05)=5.013 can you please guide me on this …

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    • John Moffat says

      November 18, 2015 at 8:06 am

      You cannot use %’s (5%) and decimals (0.05) in the same formula.

      Either use 5% throughout and the answer is 6.3%, or use 0.05 throughout and the answer is 0.063 (which is 6.3%)

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      • tami005 says

        November 20, 2015 at 7:47 am

        thanks for answering a silly question 馃檪

      • John Moffat says

        November 20, 2015 at 9:30 am

        You are welcome 馃檪

  2. iryna1982 says

    November 12, 2015 at 10:59 am

    I can not find exam paper Pilot 2006 can somebody help please

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    • John Moffat says

      November 12, 2015 at 12:22 pm

      It is no longer on the ACCA website but it should be in your Revision Kit.

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  3. Tauhid says

    May 2, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    Hi,

    If anyone can tell me, which year pilot paper i cant seem to find it?

    Many thanks

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    • Kirsty says

      May 11, 2015 at 6:25 pm

      Hi,
      Did you find out where the example is?? I can’t find it ? thanks

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      • Tauhid says

        May 16, 2015 at 7:12 pm

        Hi Kirsty,

        I have found it on BPP Practice and Revision kit. I have got June 2014 exam kit and the question is on page 48.

        Thanks

  4. shazia17 says

    November 23, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    They may be going to sleep when you talk, but I definitely am wide awake listening to your awesome lectures 馃檪

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  5. Erica says

    November 18, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Sir, is this chapter included in FFM?

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    • John Moffat says

      November 18, 2014 at 11:21 am

      No – not FFM 馃檪

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  6. chandandabs says

    June 4, 2014 at 8:39 am

    The Way U do the little parts to reach a full exams question is great.. 馃檪
    However, would it b possible to show us the path the little parts is going whilst doing them?
    Like a Full Exams Question at the Start..and showing how each little parts is going to make us reach there?

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    • John Moffat says

      June 4, 2014 at 10:14 am

      These lectures explain what is happening, and the techniques.
      There are separate lectures working through full pas exam questions (Revision Kit Live)

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  7. sdmaalex says

    November 11, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    I couldn’t find the pilot paper. From where can I download it?

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    • John Moffat says

      November 11, 2013 at 4:00 pm

      From the ACCA’s website – http://www.accaglobal.com.

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    • drifter says

      November 11, 2013 at 8:02 pm

      https://www.accaglobal.com/en/student/acca-qual-student-journey/qual-resource/acca-qualification/f9/past-exam-papers.html

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    • retha1955 says

      April 29, 2014 at 6:06 pm

      Help me please. I also can’t find the question. In what year was this exam written as the link below takes me to all the past exam papers.

      Please help???

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      • John Moffat says

        April 29, 2014 at 6:28 pm

        Sorry – the ACCA has now removed it from their website. However you will find it in the Exam/Revision Kits from the approved publishers.

      • hamzaharoon says

        May 3, 2014 at 5:14 pm

        Here is the Link of the Pilot Paper Regarding this Question

        https://www.accaglobal.com/content/dam/acca/global/PDF-students/2012/pilotPaper.pdf

  8. Mahoysam says

    October 23, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Mr john, when you asked why the cost of debt is expected to be less, I swear I was shouting: RISK RISK RISK! It is really bad not to be in the classroom to answer your questions 馃檨

    Thanks for the GREAT lectures!!! There is not a single lecture that I finish not understanding something!

    Maha

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  9. nkmile64 says

    July 30, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Dear Sir
    thank you for your superb lecture which helped me understand the cost of capital workings and calculations. I certainly hope that by applying that in the exam I’ll probably get the full 9 marks. So, I understand that the correct or should I say the theoretical way of calculating WACC, is by using the market values in order to ascertain the relative weights of debt and equity. What I really don’t understand is why do we have to use the market and not the book values? I mean stock and bond values usually fluctuate in the markets so that even if we manage to achieve a certain capital structure now, it will probably be quite different a few days from now. And even worse, what will happen when a prospective investor (e.g. bank) examines my capital structure? Will they look at the market value or are they going to examine my financial gearing from the book values? I also notice that from the facts of the question itself (Q.1 Pilot Paper) it is assumed that
    even the average industry financial gearing is calculated using the book values. Could you please clarify this subject for me?

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    • John Moffat says

      July 30, 2013 at 6:46 pm

      I assume that you are happy that when we calculate the cost of equity and cost of debt individually, we must use the market values for the calculation and not the book values (because we are trying to get the best estimate of the cost of raising more equity or more debt).

      When we calculate the WACC, we should certainly use the total market values – that is a fact. The real problem is whether or not this figure is relevant for appraising investments. It is only relevant provided that the capital structure is maintained (we are not bothered about short-term changes – what matters is whether or not it is likely to remain more or less the same in the long-term).

      For Paper F9 calculations we do assume that this is the case (although for written parts you must be able to state the assumption above). When you come to P4 (if you decide to take this option) then we look at how we will appraise if the capital structure does change.

      With regard to ratio analysis and the gearing ratio, it is in fact more sensible to look at it based on market values. Book values are very distorted due to accounting concepts (especially, for example, the fact that non-current asset values on the balance sheet may be nothing like the true values – partly because of the historic cost concept, and partly due to the fact that some assets (e.g. goodwill) do not appear).
      However, gearing based on book values uses information that is more readily available (especially, obviously, for unquoted companies). In the exam, usually you are expected to use book values (but the examiner always makes it clear whether he wants it based on book values or market values). However, if you get the chance in the written parts, you should make it clear that using book values can be misleading. (In fact, using book values usually overstates the level of gearing because usually it will be the equity where the market value will be higher than the book value.)

      Hope that all makes sense 馃檪

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      • nkmile64 says

        July 31, 2013 at 9:29 am

        Thanks so much for your answer. It all makes sense now!

  10. ayeshaoruna says

    March 18, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Where is the example question? It’s not on the course note of chapter 18. Please advise

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    • latoyah says

      March 20, 2013 at 8:53 pm

      the pilot paper

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      • eknight says

        May 8, 2013 at 11:32 pm

        which pilot paper i cant seem to find it

      • drifter says

        November 14, 2013 at 1:31 pm

        https://www.accaglobal.com/en/student/acca-qual-student-journey/qual-resource/acca-qualification/f9/past-exam-papers.html

  11. uyentran says

    June 14, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Thanks so much Teacher. It is so helpful for me.

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  12. jaykhawaja says

    June 9, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    r we not suppose to use tax on preference shares as we pay intrest …and the formula must be i(1-t)/P

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    • John Moffat says

      June 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm

      @jaykhawaja, No – preference dividends are paid out of after tax earnings

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  13. ponpinn says

    May 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    i love this teacher. you’re the best

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  14. joycelyn37 says

    March 4, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    you are thebest

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  15. funlover says

    November 29, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    By the way, when to use WACC has been fully described, but when not to has not been discussed.Please show us where it is.

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    • John Moffat says

      March 4, 2012 at 4:15 pm

      @funlover, when not to use it is when the conditions described do not apply!!!!
      (i.e. if the gearing changes (because of the way the project is financed) or when the business risk changes (because the project is more or less risky))

      The effect of gearing changes is not examined with numbers at F9 (only discussion of Modigliani and Miller). The effect of the project being more or less risky than the company is covered by Capital Asset Pricing Model.

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  16. funlover says

    November 29, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Wonderful explanation- what I really like about your lectures is the logic you are building bit by bit.We cannot find many lecturers like that and we’ll end up cramming whole stuff without knowing what’s going inside.

    I believe the lecturer wants us to think about the knock on effect.

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  17. nafsika says

    November 20, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    No worries I read the answer above…ACCA Website thank you.

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  18. nafsika says

    November 20, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    It is a bit confusing, I cannot find the example that the lector is using… It is not chapter 18… where can I found it please?

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  19. admin says

    November 11, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    This ACCA F9 lecture is based on OpenTuition course notes,

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  20. thanaluxmy says

    November 11, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Which year paper is this?

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    • olkhova says

      June 5, 2012 at 10:38 am

      @chinnu82, this is no longer on acca website. It said:
      “PAGE NOT FOUND
      Sorry!
      We have recently redesigned accaglobal.com, which means the page you have requested has been moved.”

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      • admin says

        June 5, 2012 at 10:53 am

        @olkhova, https://www.accaglobal.com/en/student/qualification-resources/acca-qualification/acca-exams/f9-exams/exams-f90.html

      • olkhova says

        June 5, 2012 at 10:59 am

        @admin, Many thanks!

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