hello sir ,Excellent lecture but when i solve the cost of loan notes with irr formula the answer turns out to be a bit different ie:5%+(7.49/28.89*0.05)=5.013 can you please guide me on this …
The Way U do the little parts to reach a full exams question is great.. 馃檪 However, would it b possible to show us the path the little parts is going whilst doing them? Like a Full Exams Question at the Start..and showing how each little parts is going to make us reach there?
Mr john, when you asked why the cost of debt is expected to be less, I swear I was shouting: RISK RISK RISK! It is really bad not to be in the classroom to answer your questions 馃檨
Thanks for the GREAT lectures!!! There is not a single lecture that I finish not understanding something!
Dear Sir thank you for your superb lecture which helped me understand the cost of capital workings and calculations. I certainly hope that by applying that in the exam I’ll probably get the full 9 marks. So, I understand that the correct or should I say the theoretical way of calculating WACC, is by using the market values in order to ascertain the relative weights of debt and equity. What I really don’t understand is why do we have to use the market and not the book values? I mean stock and bond values usually fluctuate in the markets so that even if we manage to achieve a certain capital structure now, it will probably be quite different a few days from now. And even worse, what will happen when a prospective investor (e.g. bank) examines my capital structure? Will they look at the market value or are they going to examine my financial gearing from the book values? I also notice that from the facts of the question itself (Q.1 Pilot Paper) it is assumed that even the average industry financial gearing is calculated using the book values. Could you please clarify this subject for me?
I assume that you are happy that when we calculate the cost of equity and cost of debt individually, we must use the market values for the calculation and not the book values (because we are trying to get the best estimate of the cost of raising more equity or more debt).
When we calculate the WACC, we should certainly use the total market values – that is a fact. The real problem is whether or not this figure is relevant for appraising investments. It is only relevant provided that the capital structure is maintained (we are not bothered about short-term changes – what matters is whether or not it is likely to remain more or less the same in the long-term).
For Paper F9 calculations we do assume that this is the case (although for written parts you must be able to state the assumption above). When you come to P4 (if you decide to take this option) then we look at how we will appraise if the capital structure does change.
With regard to ratio analysis and the gearing ratio, it is in fact more sensible to look at it based on market values. Book values are very distorted due to accounting concepts (especially, for example, the fact that non-current asset values on the balance sheet may be nothing like the true values – partly because of the historic cost concept, and partly due to the fact that some assets (e.g. goodwill) do not appear). However, gearing based on book values uses information that is more readily available (especially, obviously, for unquoted companies). In the exam, usually you are expected to use book values (but the examiner always makes it clear whether he wants it based on book values or market values). However, if you get the chance in the written parts, you should make it clear that using book values can be misleading. (In fact, using book values usually overstates the level of gearing because usually it will be the equity where the market value will be higher than the book value.)
@funlover, when not to use it is when the conditions described do not apply!!!! (i.e. if the gearing changes (because of the way the project is financed) or when the business risk changes (because the project is more or less risky))
The effect of gearing changes is not examined with numbers at F9 (only discussion of Modigliani and Miller). The effect of the project being more or less risky than the company is covered by Capital Asset Pricing Model.
Wonderful explanation- what I really like about your lectures is the logic you are building bit by bit.We cannot find many lecturers like that and we’ll end up cramming whole stuff without knowing what’s going inside.
I believe the lecturer wants us to think about the knock on effect.
@chinnu82, this is no longer on acca website. It said: “PAGE NOT FOUND Sorry! We have recently redesigned accaglobal.com, which means the page you have requested has been moved.”
tami005 says
hello sir ,Excellent lecture but when i solve the cost of loan notes with irr formula the answer turns out to be a bit different
ie:5%+(7.49/28.89*0.05)=5.013 can you please guide me on this …
John Moffat says
You cannot use %’s (5%) and decimals (0.05) in the same formula.
Either use 5% throughout and the answer is 6.3%, or use 0.05 throughout and the answer is 0.063 (which is 6.3%)
tami005 says
thanks for answering a silly question 馃檪
John Moffat says
You are welcome 馃檪
iryna1982 says
I can not find exam paper Pilot 2006 can somebody help please
John Moffat says
It is no longer on the ACCA website but it should be in your Revision Kit.
Tauhid says
Hi,
If anyone can tell me, which year pilot paper i cant seem to find it?
Many thanks
Kirsty says
Hi,
Did you find out where the example is?? I can’t find it ? thanks
Tauhid says
Hi Kirsty,
I have found it on BPP Practice and Revision kit. I have got June 2014 exam kit and the question is on page 48.
Thanks
shazia17 says
They may be going to sleep when you talk, but I definitely am wide awake listening to your awesome lectures 馃檪
Erica says
Sir, is this chapter included in FFM?
John Moffat says
No – not FFM 馃檪
chandandabs says
The Way U do the little parts to reach a full exams question is great.. 馃檪
However, would it b possible to show us the path the little parts is going whilst doing them?
Like a Full Exams Question at the Start..and showing how each little parts is going to make us reach there?
John Moffat says
These lectures explain what is happening, and the techniques.
There are separate lectures working through full pas exam questions (Revision Kit Live)
sdmaalex says
I couldn’t find the pilot paper. From where can I download it?
John Moffat says
From the ACCA’s website – http://www.accaglobal.com.
drifter says
https://www.accaglobal.com/en/student/acca-qual-student-journey/qual-resource/acca-qualification/f9/past-exam-papers.html
retha1955 says
Help me please. I also can’t find the question. In what year was this exam written as the link below takes me to all the past exam papers.
Please help???
John Moffat says
Sorry – the ACCA has now removed it from their website. However you will find it in the Exam/Revision Kits from the approved publishers.
hamzaharoon says
Here is the Link of the Pilot Paper Regarding this Question
https://www.accaglobal.com/content/dam/acca/global/PDF-students/2012/pilotPaper.pdf
Mahoysam says
Mr john, when you asked why the cost of debt is expected to be less, I swear I was shouting: RISK RISK RISK! It is really bad not to be in the classroom to answer your questions 馃檨
Thanks for the GREAT lectures!!! There is not a single lecture that I finish not understanding something!
Maha
nkmile64 says
Dear Sir
thank you for your superb lecture which helped me understand the cost of capital workings and calculations. I certainly hope that by applying that in the exam I’ll probably get the full 9 marks. So, I understand that the correct or should I say the theoretical way of calculating WACC, is by using the market values in order to ascertain the relative weights of debt and equity. What I really don’t understand is why do we have to use the market and not the book values? I mean stock and bond values usually fluctuate in the markets so that even if we manage to achieve a certain capital structure now, it will probably be quite different a few days from now. And even worse, what will happen when a prospective investor (e.g. bank) examines my capital structure? Will they look at the market value or are they going to examine my financial gearing from the book values? I also notice that from the facts of the question itself (Q.1 Pilot Paper) it is assumed that
even the average industry financial gearing is calculated using the book values. Could you please clarify this subject for me?
John Moffat says
I assume that you are happy that when we calculate the cost of equity and cost of debt individually, we must use the market values for the calculation and not the book values (because we are trying to get the best estimate of the cost of raising more equity or more debt).
When we calculate the WACC, we should certainly use the total market values – that is a fact. The real problem is whether or not this figure is relevant for appraising investments. It is only relevant provided that the capital structure is maintained (we are not bothered about short-term changes – what matters is whether or not it is likely to remain more or less the same in the long-term).
For Paper F9 calculations we do assume that this is the case (although for written parts you must be able to state the assumption above). When you come to P4 (if you decide to take this option) then we look at how we will appraise if the capital structure does change.
With regard to ratio analysis and the gearing ratio, it is in fact more sensible to look at it based on market values. Book values are very distorted due to accounting concepts (especially, for example, the fact that non-current asset values on the balance sheet may be nothing like the true values – partly because of the historic cost concept, and partly due to the fact that some assets (e.g. goodwill) do not appear).
However, gearing based on book values uses information that is more readily available (especially, obviously, for unquoted companies). In the exam, usually you are expected to use book values (but the examiner always makes it clear whether he wants it based on book values or market values). However, if you get the chance in the written parts, you should make it clear that using book values can be misleading. (In fact, using book values usually overstates the level of gearing because usually it will be the equity where the market value will be higher than the book value.)
Hope that all makes sense 馃檪
nkmile64 says
Thanks so much for your answer. It all makes sense now!
ayeshaoruna says
Where is the example question? It’s not on the course note of chapter 18. Please advise
latoyah says
the pilot paper
eknight says
which pilot paper i cant seem to find it
drifter says
https://www.accaglobal.com/en/student/acca-qual-student-journey/qual-resource/acca-qualification/f9/past-exam-papers.html
uyentran says
Thanks so much Teacher. It is so helpful for me.
jaykhawaja says
r we not suppose to use tax on preference shares as we pay intrest …and the formula must be i(1-t)/P
John Moffat says
@jaykhawaja, No – preference dividends are paid out of after tax earnings
ponpinn says
i love this teacher. you’re the best
joycelyn37 says
you are thebest
funlover says
By the way, when to use WACC has been fully described, but when not to has not been discussed.Please show us where it is.
John Moffat says
@funlover, when not to use it is when the conditions described do not apply!!!!
(i.e. if the gearing changes (because of the way the project is financed) or when the business risk changes (because the project is more or less risky))
The effect of gearing changes is not examined with numbers at F9 (only discussion of Modigliani and Miller). The effect of the project being more or less risky than the company is covered by Capital Asset Pricing Model.
funlover says
Wonderful explanation- what I really like about your lectures is the logic you are building bit by bit.We cannot find many lecturers like that and we’ll end up cramming whole stuff without knowing what’s going inside.
I believe the lecturer wants us to think about the knock on effect.
nafsika says
No worries I read the answer above…ACCA Website thank you.
nafsika says
It is a bit confusing, I cannot find the example that the lector is using… It is not chapter 18… where can I found it please?
admin says
This ACCA F9 lecture is based on OpenTuition course notes,
thanaluxmy says
Which year paper is this?
olkhova says
@chinnu82, this is no longer on acca website. It said:
“PAGE NOT FOUND
Sorry!
We have recently redesigned accaglobal.com, which means the page you have requested has been moved.”
admin says
@olkhova, https://www.accaglobal.com/en/student/qualification-resources/acca-qualification/acca-exams/f9-exams/exams-f90.html
olkhova says
@admin, Many thanks!