I wanted to ask question but I was even confused on what to ask. By seeing this lecture and I am relating to pilot example.
Kindly let me know why you have divided the $300 000 / 1.7850, why not to multiply? The other thing is that we are recieiving so it should be worst case for us, so why you didn’t take 1.7842?
This topic of risk management seems to be most tricky, not difficult.
1.7850$’s are equal to 1 £. So to convert $300,000 to £’s, we need to divide by 1.7850. Think about it – surely if it takes nearly $2 to get 1£, then the equivalent number of pounds must be less that the equivalent number of $’s!
We are receiving – yes – but if we divided by the lower rate then we would receive more! That cannot be the case 🙂
It is from the pilot paper. It is no longer available on the ACCA website, but if you say which Revision/Exam Kit that you have, then I will tell you where it is there.
now it’s all clear, cause if you looked at comments by claudia1 and hamzaharoon, they also thought that company has the $’s already and that what confused me.
Dear Sir, May I ask you some question for example 6. Borrowing- we pay interest $71,464 for 3 months($5,000,000 – $4,928536). Deposit- we receive deposit interest £ 28,755(£ 3,223,709 – £3,194,954). If I convert today spot rate £ 28,755/£ 1.5384 that will be $18,691. We lost $52,773 ($71,464 – $18,691). I would like to know, if I invest convert amount £ 3,223,709 instead of deposit, let say I can get 1.45% or above in 3 months. If so, can I invest that borrowed amount instead of deposit? If so, why did this lecture say that have to deposit at the end? Thanks. May
The whole purpose of money market hedging is to remove the risk of exchange rate movements – the purpose is not to make profits. Investing the money other than to get fixed interest (as we get by depositing) would introduce risk.
Sorry for asking about the same point that claudia1 and Hamzaharoon did ask about before
but what I understood from your lecture and your answer to their question is that: yes we’re actually depositing and converting, but the whole idea of borrowing is to use this money for other investment purposes and not lose the chance of using the money deposited to pay out the supplier’s debt!, do you get what mean !?
Again, In example 7 question, why is it mentioned that “current 3 month interest rates” if the rates are yearly! or is it just to trick us !?
I am not sure I understand what you mean. If there were other investments and we needed money, we could always borrow the money anyway.
The whole point of borrowing and depositing is so that the eventual cash flow ends up at the same time as it would if we didn’t do any hedging at all, or if we used forward rates. We can then compare the eventual cash flow for money markets with the eventual cash flow if we used forward rates,
With regard to ‘3 month interest rates’. Interest rates are always quote in the exam as yearly interest rates. However, the bank will offer (or charge) different yearly rates depends on how long the deposit (or borrowing) is for. For example, if you are borrowing for 3 months they might charge at the rate of 10% p.a., but if you were borrowing for 6 months they might charge 12% p.a.. This is what happens in real life. (However, they will only actually charge it for 3 months or for 6 months. So if you are borrowing for 3 months and they are charging 10% p.a., the actual interest charged will be 3/12 x 10%)
the main point that confuses me is that in example 7, we are: 1_ depositing (this means we have the $’s already and we have deposited them for 3 months)
2_ Converting: to see how many £’s are they.
3_ Borrowing: which I couldn’t get the point of it as we have the money already and they are deposited so why would we be bothered to borrow more money and pay extra cost of interest when we have the $’s in the first place !!
if the sequence were like example 6 (Borrowing, converting and depositing) then there would be no problem in terms of “justifying the purpose of each step”. while “depositing, converting-which takes place now- and then borrowing” didn’t get through and it seemed to me pointless to borrow more money!
with regards to the “three months rate” it is now clear.
Hello John! Trying to understand where the deposit came from! Is it that instead of paying the money early (they had the money in hand) it was deposited to earn an interest? In step (2) was the conversion purely theoretical to ascertain the present value of the deposit converted into pounds and then that amount is borrowed now for 3 mths in pounds. In 3 months the $ deposit matures to 8 m and this is used to pay debt! What about the amount borrowed in pounds?
Sir I Do have the same question which Claudia asked! Please do Explain I also cannot understood why we borrow at step 3 and why we invest at step 1? Do we have Cash in hand at firs? I Understood the Previous question but not this one I am Confused!!!Please Explain 🙁
Please ask questions in the F9 Ask the Tutor Forum if you want me to answer – I cannot always read the comments under lectures because there are so many.
I assume you are asking about example 7.
The whole idea of money market hedging is to convert money today at todays spot. There is no point in converting money now and paying the supplier immediately because payment is not required until 3 months from now.
So…..we borrow £’s now, convert now at spot to $’s, and then deposit the $’s for 3 months to earn interest.
However, there is no point in buying $8M dollars now because in 3 months time it will have earned interest and we will have more than we need.
So we calculate how many we need to deposit so that it will have grown to $8M in the 3 months.
Having calculated it we then pay £’s to buy that many $’s.
Instead of having to pay out £’s now (when otherwise we would not be paying out until 3 months from now) we borrow £’s for 3 months.
So…..the net cash flow now is zero (we borrow, convert, and deposit). The only real cash flows are in 3 months time – we pay out £’s to repay the borrowing, and the $ deposit matures and pays off the supplier. The actual cash flows occur in 3 months time (just as they would have done if we had made a direct payment in 3 months) but it is a fixed amount – what happens to the exchange rate in 3 months is completely irrelevant.
(Claudia says that the conversion is theoretical – not at all. We borrow, we actually convert, and we deposit.)
In the middle of the Lecture, the person starts discussing a exam question on Money Market Hedge and Forwards, does anyone know where does he get that question from? I couldn’t find it in the relevant class notes.
bakarsaid says
where is the question which u are answering sir
bakarsaid says
i have bpp exam kit
acca2050 says
I wanted to ask question but I was even confused on what to ask. By seeing this lecture and I am relating to pilot example.
Kindly let me know why you have divided the $300 000 / 1.7850, why not to multiply?
The other thing is that we are recieiving so it should be worst case for us, so why you didn’t take 1.7842?
This topic of risk management seems to be most tricky, not difficult.
Many Thanks
John Moffat says
1.7850$’s are equal to 1 £.
So to convert $300,000 to £’s, we need to divide by 1.7850.
Think about it – surely if it takes nearly $2 to get 1£, then the equivalent number of pounds must be less that the equivalent number of $’s!
We are receiving – yes – but if we divided by the lower rate then we would receive more! That cannot be the case 🙂
acca2050 says
which question you referring to after example7?? man I am getting mad!
John Moffat says
It is from the pilot paper. It is no longer available on the ACCA website, but if you say which Revision/Exam Kit that you have, then I will tell you where it is there.
John Moffat says
No we didn’t have the $’s already. If we already had them then there would be no point in any of it!!!
We need to buy $’s. If we want we can simply wait 3 months and buy them, but there is then the risk of the exchange rate having changed.
To avoid it we buy the $’s now at todays exchange rate.
How can we afford to buy them? We borrow £’s now so that we can afford to buy the $’s.
Now we have the $’s, but there is no point in paying the supplier immediately. So….we put them on deposit and pay him in three months.
Sam says
now it’s all clear, cause if you looked at comments by claudia1 and hamzaharoon, they also thought that company has the $’s already and that what confused me.
anyway, thank you very much indeed for your help
Regards
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
mayzin1707 says
Dear Sir,
May I ask you some question for example 6.
Borrowing- we pay interest $71,464 for 3 months($5,000,000 – $4,928536).
Deposit- we receive deposit interest £ 28,755(£ 3,223,709 – £3,194,954).
If I convert today spot rate £ 28,755/£ 1.5384 that will be $18,691. We lost $52,773 ($71,464 – $18,691).
I would like to know, if I invest convert amount £ 3,223,709 instead of deposit, let say I can get 1.45% or above in 3 months.
If so, can I invest that borrowed amount instead of deposit?
If so, why did this lecture say that have to deposit at the end?
Thanks.
May
John Moffat says
The whole purpose of money market hedging is to remove the risk of exchange rate movements – the purpose is not to make profits.
Investing the money other than to get fixed interest (as we get by depositing) would introduce risk.
mayzin1707 says
Thank you Mr Moffat.
May.
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
Sam says
Hi Mr John,
Sorry for asking about the same point that claudia1 and Hamzaharoon did ask about before
but what I understood from your lecture and your answer to their question is that:
yes we’re actually depositing and converting, but the whole idea of borrowing is to use this money for other investment purposes and not lose the chance of using the money deposited to pay out the supplier’s debt!, do you get what mean !?
Again, In example 7 question, why is it mentioned that “current 3 month interest rates” if the rates are yearly! or is it just to trick us !?
John Moffat says
I am not sure I understand what you mean. If there were other investments and we needed money, we could always borrow the money anyway.
The whole point of borrowing and depositing is so that the eventual cash flow ends up at the same time as it would if we didn’t do any hedging at all, or if we used forward rates.
We can then compare the eventual cash flow for money markets with the eventual cash flow if we used forward rates,
With regard to ‘3 month interest rates’. Interest rates are always quote in the exam as yearly interest rates. However, the bank will offer (or charge) different yearly rates depends on how long the deposit (or borrowing) is for. For example, if you are borrowing for 3 months they might charge at the rate of 10% p.a., but if you were borrowing for 6 months they might charge 12% p.a.. This is what happens in real life.
(However, they will only actually charge it for 3 months or for 6 months. So if you are borrowing for 3 months and they are charging 10% p.a., the actual interest charged will be 3/12 x 10%)
Sam says
the main point that confuses me is that in example 7, we are:
1_ depositing (this means we have the $’s already and we have deposited them for 3 months)
2_ Converting: to see how many £’s are they.
3_ Borrowing: which I couldn’t get the point of it as we have the money already and they are deposited so why would we be bothered to borrow more money and pay extra cost of interest when we have the $’s in the first place !!
if the sequence were like example 6 (Borrowing, converting and depositing) then there would be no problem in terms of “justifying the purpose of each step”. while “depositing, converting-which takes place now- and then borrowing” didn’t get through and it seemed to me pointless to borrow more money!
with regards to the “three months rate” it is now clear.
many thanks Mr John
Regards
Sam
tejot says
https://www.accaglobal.com/content/dam/acca/global/PDF-students/2012/pilotPaper.pdf
claudia1 says
Hello John! Trying to understand where the deposit came from! Is it that instead of paying the money early (they had the money in hand) it was deposited to earn an interest? In step (2) was the conversion purely theoretical to ascertain the present value of the deposit converted into pounds and then that amount is borrowed now for 3 mths in pounds. In 3 months the $ deposit matures to 8 m and this is used to pay debt! What about the amount borrowed in pounds?
hamzaharoon says
Sir I Do have the same question which Claudia asked! Please do Explain I also cannot understood why we borrow at step 3 and why we invest at step 1? Do we have Cash in hand at firs? I Understood the Previous question but not this one I am Confused!!!Please Explain 🙁
John Moffat says
Please ask questions in the F9 Ask the Tutor Forum if you want me to answer – I cannot always read the comments under lectures because there are so many.
I assume you are asking about example 7.
The whole idea of money market hedging is to convert money today at todays spot. There is no point in converting money now and paying the supplier immediately because payment is not required until 3 months from now.
So…..we borrow £’s now, convert now at spot to $’s, and then deposit the $’s for 3 months to earn interest.
However, there is no point in buying $8M dollars now because in 3 months time it will have earned interest and we will have more than we need.
So we calculate how many we need to deposit so that it will have grown to $8M in the 3 months.
Having calculated it we then pay £’s to buy that many $’s.
Instead of having to pay out £’s now (when otherwise we would not be paying out until 3 months from now) we borrow £’s for 3 months.
So…..the net cash flow now is zero (we borrow, convert, and deposit). The only real cash flows are in 3 months time – we pay out £’s to repay the borrowing, and the $ deposit matures and pays off the supplier.
The actual cash flows occur in 3 months time (just as they would have done if we had made a direct payment in 3 months) but it is a fixed amount – what happens to the exchange rate in 3 months is completely irrelevant.
(Claudia says that the conversion is theoretical – not at all. We borrow, we actually convert, and we deposit.)
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DLS says
In the middle of the Lecture, the person starts discussing a exam question on Money Market Hedge and Forwards, does anyone know where does he get that question from? I couldn’t find it in the relevant class notes.
Thanks
DLS says
@DLS, Ok found it, its from F9 Pilot Paper.
khizer03 says
cant view the full lecture. The video stops playing. Any help??
atiq422 says
where is the exam question? the one moffet is doing?
John Moffat says
@atiq422, It is question 2 of the Paper F9 pilot paper.
sweety22 says
sir where can i find the pilot paper?
John Moffat says
@sweety22, You can download it from the ACCA website
tiney says
Hi mr. moofatt isn’t the 1month receipt fiqure $240,000.00
gracetsiga1 says
is not forward rate you used not wrong, i thought it is meant to be 1.7850+0.0004=1.7854. are you then not meant to say $300 000/1.7854?
John Moffat says
@gracetsiga1, No – the forward rate is 1.7846 + or – 0.0004
So the relevant rate in this example is 1.7846 + 0.0004 = 1.7850
John Moffat says
@gracetsiga1, The example is question 2 of the F9 Pilot paper.
gracetsiga1 says
Which past paper are you using Mr Moffat please?
abiw2012 says
where is the source of examiners question please?
John Moffat says
@abiw2012, The question is example 2 of the F9 pilot paper.
Ammar-Shabbir says
which ppr is this Qs from???
eunice says
great stuff,
Thx
flowermist says
Awesome explanation and its made so clear…thanks…
slik says
The audio isn’t synced properly with the audio, but hey ! its free and it’s great !