Dear Sir, (IAS 7 Revised – Statement of Cash Flows – Introduction) this Lecture is too long. My achievement is little from this 44 minutes 54 seconds lecture. Please advice me what are the points to learn from this (IAS 7 Revised – Statement of Cash Flows – Introduction) video lecture, Thank You.
Hi Mike, I am not seeing ratios and interpretation lectures here on this F7 lectures. Would you be so kind to give me the link, I am helpless. Sorry if i am posting it at wrong place
Because its interest paid and interest paid is an operating activity.
This point becomes even more obtuse when the interest is on a finance lease. Payments for finance lease creditors is shown in financing but the amount shown is the amount of CAPITAL repaid and does NOT include any interest paid
The interest paid is shown in operating activities along with such other interest payments as overdraft interest
I have a question regarding the cash flow statement.
First of all, the interest payment, why do we add the interest to the profit before tax when adjusting for non cash items and then we subtract it again under operating activities? (when we deduct interest, tax and dividend paid), I don’t see the point of adding it and subtracting it, do I have to do that?
Secondly, Some non cash items such as unwinding the discount and FV adjustments – I thought I should adjust for them when I am adjusting for the non cash items at the top of the statement, but the way it was solved in my revision kit is that for example they subtracted the unwind-ed discount when they were accounting for the finance cost and they adjusted for the FV when they were accounting for the investment income – I believe the net effect is the same, whether I do it my way or their way, so does it matter? (e.g. If I subtract an increase in FV of an investment of 20 from the profit at the top and then I account for the whole income without subtracting the FV adjustment from it, the effect is the same, so can I do it my way?
Regarding Q2 on the paper ( i hope it is okay to post it here) – We often get revalued PPE in that question and so on, something I need to ask about, do we assume that the depreciation charge of a company is done at the beginning of the year? I often get confused about this, sometimes the question tells me the asset was revalued at the end of the year and its remaining useful life is xx years, I understand here that the accounting treatment is to calculate the depreciation based on the restated amount over the remaining useful life but the question, is the depreciation charge here based on the original value of the asset since the asset was revalued at the end of the year so it should have been calculated before the revaluation? I hope I made my point clear and I hope this is not too long for you.
I can answer your doubt about interest payments, in the statement of profit or loss interest is charged to it on an accrual basis whether we actually paid it or not. So initially we add back the amount charged to the statement of profit or loss (accrued figure) and then we subtract the amount we actually paid. That is why we do the subtraction and addition
Mr Mike, there is an item for increase in provisions on the cash flow example. Is that a constant? I thought only cash items would be on the Statement of cash flows.
Hi Jennifer The change (increase or decrease) in a provision is a non-cash item which will have been credited or debited respectively to the Statement of Income in arriving at profit before tax. As such, it needs to be deducted / added to the profit before tax figure to get that profit figure back to being cash based. You could have asked the same about depreciation – that too is non-cash and needs to be adjusted within the operating activities section of the Statement of Cash Flows
I understand the case of depreciation, I don’t have to compare it with last year’s figure so it’s not a change(increase or decrease). In this situation, it is a change in the provision (suggesting a comparison between current and prior year figures). Please can you give me some examples of this kind of provision?
OK, Provision for Warranty Claims brought forward from last year $62,000 (on SoFP) (on credit side of provision account)
Provision for Warranty Claims carried forward into next year $65,000 (on SoFP) (on debit side of provision account, above the total lines and on the credit side on the same account below the total lines)
Warranty Claims paid out per the notes in the question $8,800 (not always an amount paid out in an exam question) (on the debit side of the provision account above the total lines)
Therefore, there must be an entry on the credit side of the provision account above the total lines in the sum of $13,800 to keep the account in balance. The double entry for that #13,800 is to the Statement of Income, but it’s non-cash.
Therefore, in the Statement of Cash Flows, you will find an add-back in “operating activities” of $13,800 and then, lower down, an amount shown as a payment for warranty claims of $8,800
Dear Mike, for the above example , the double entry is $ 11800 not 13800?
Provision for Warranty Claims brought forward from last year $62,000 (on SoFP) (on credit side of provision account)
Provision for Warranty Claims carried forward into next year $65,000 (on SoFP) (on debit side of provision account, above the total lines and on the credit side on the same account below the total lines)
Warranty Claims paid out per the notes in the question $8,800 (not always an amount paid out in an exam question) (on the debit side of the provision account above the total lines)
Therefore, there must be an entry on the credit side of the provision account above the total lines in the sum of $13,800 to keep the account in balance. The double entry for that #13,800 is to the Statement of Income, but it’s non-cash.
Therefore, in the Statement of Cash Flows, you will find an add-back in “operating activities” of $13,800 and then, lower down, an amount shown as a payment for warranty claims of $8,800
Try as I might, that North Manchester accent stays with me, though not as broad as it used to be. The one sound which I find I cannot shake off is the “u” sound so I hear myself saying things like “cumpany budgets must show muney” – to my ears, it’s awful so it’s almost reassuring that someone, somewhere enjoys it!
Hi any one can make me understand About Shares ( O. share , peference share, bonus shares) and any other relating to shares. i am having problem adjusting the cash flow from “Investing activites” due to not clear understanding of shares i guess. regards Ash
Hi – you’re going to struggle as an accountant if you can’t get your head around something as basic as shares – sorry to be so blunt! There is certainly a session in the F3 course videos about shares – maybe you should bite the bullet and go back to revising F3. Be upbeat about it, it shouldn’t take long
If it’s our company that is issuing shares then Maha is correct – the entry is in “financing activities” in so far as CASH is involved.
If the matter concerning shares is because our company has made an investment in another during the year (NOT a consolidated cash flow question which is out of the F7 syllabus) then the investment would appear within “investing activities”
ACCA provides extended knowledge in finance and accounting – it may be applied in all countries. ACCA has Canada web-site. Check here https://www2.accaglobal.com/canada/
I am having problems with lectures for chapter 19 Statement of Cash flow for F7. the lecture starts and then it just stops. Am I the only one with this problem ?
What an entertaining lecture that was! Thank you sir. The problem with the signs of the Cash Flow items was something I never completely understood, but that is all in the past now. However, could you spare a minute and answer a question that I have that I’m unable to grasp?
In the accompanying notes of the lecture in the “Cash Flows from Investing Activities” sub-section, the 2nd item reads: “Proceeds from Sale of PPE”. I understand that this is just the CASH component of the asset disposal i.e. what we are interested in in a Statement of Cash Flows. However, since in every asset disposal a profit/(loss) is eventually realised and this profit/(loss) would already have been charged against the Income Statement, shouldn’t we make an adjustment for this gain/(loss) in the “Cash Flows from Operating Activities” sub-section as well in the same way that we treated depreciation, amortisation and impairment?
Absolutely, yes. In fact, the revisions put through in the course notes for the Spring 2013 session DO NOW show the adjustment for ( gain ) / loss on asset disposals
Mike why does the chat link doesn’t work?. Does OT no more support chat? i have tried to log on many times but it says that i dont have permissions to log in .. can anyone help??????
thank you very much for your lectures.I have a small guestion.Is it correct that if i make non-T account working for PPE and for the rest of items like Tax Paid & interest Paid,i make T-accounts ? Thanks alot
@admin, thanks for the reply. i dont think it has to do with the connection because i am using the laptop in the same area with no problems. From the ipad i cant even see the video box and i cant reply to comments too.
Did you update it to the latest version? ( mean iOS .. ) maybe wifi is very slow? try it near the router.. just tried, and this video works fine on ipad2
Sayem says
Dear Sir, (IAS 7 Revised – Statement of Cash Flows – Introduction) this Lecture is too long. My achievement is little from this 44 minutes 54 seconds lecture. Please advice me what are the points to learn from this (IAS 7 Revised – Statement of Cash Flows – Introduction) video lecture, Thank You.
saqib says
Hi Mike, I am not seeing ratios and interpretation lectures here on this F7 lectures. Would you be so kind to give me the link, I am helpless. Sorry if i am posting it at wrong place
MikeLittle says
Yes, it’s in the wrong place. If you can’t find a lecture on the site, it’s because the lecture doesn’t exist,
There’s probably (I’m not 100% certain) a relevant lecture in the F3 videos
kingsley says
pls sir how can I download this statement of cash flow?
MikeLittle says
It’s not possible to download videos, sorry.
It’s the only way we can keep this site free for the students
allenmendonca says
Increase in loans is a financing activity , so why isnt the interest paid on them financing activity?
MikeLittle says
Because its interest paid and interest paid is an operating activity.
This point becomes even more obtuse when the interest is on a finance lease. Payments for finance lease creditors is shown in financing but the amount shown is the amount of CAPITAL repaid and does NOT include any interest paid
The interest paid is shown in operating activities along with such other interest payments as overdraft interest
Ok?
allenmendonca says
Yes
Thank you 🙂
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome
Mahoysam says
Hi Mr Mike!! 🙂
I have a question regarding the cash flow statement.
First of all, the interest payment, why do we add the interest to the profit before tax when adjusting for non cash items and then we subtract it again under operating activities? (when we deduct interest, tax and dividend paid), I don’t see the point of adding it and subtracting it, do I have to do that?
Secondly, Some non cash items such as unwinding the discount and FV adjustments – I thought I should adjust for them when I am adjusting for the non cash items at the top of the statement, but the way it was solved in my revision kit is that for example they subtracted the unwind-ed discount when they were accounting for the finance cost and they adjusted for the FV when they were accounting for the investment income – I believe the net effect is the same, whether I do it my way or their way, so does it matter? (e.g. If I subtract an increase in FV of an investment of 20 from the profit at the top and then I account for the whole income without subtracting the FV adjustment from it, the effect is the same, so can I do it my way?
Regarding Q2 on the paper ( i hope it is okay to post it here) – We often get revalued PPE in that question and so on, something I need to ask about, do we assume that the depreciation charge of a company is done at the beginning of the year? I often get confused about this, sometimes the question tells me the asset was revalued at the end of the year and its remaining useful life is xx years, I understand here that the accounting treatment is to calculate the depreciation based on the restated amount over the remaining useful life but the question, is the depreciation charge here based on the original value of the asset since the asset was revalued at the end of the year so it should have been calculated before the revaluation? I hope I made my point clear and I hope this is not too long for you.
Many thanks!
Maha
allenmendonca says
I can answer your doubt about interest payments, in the statement of profit or loss interest is charged to it on an accrual basis whether we actually paid it or not. So initially we add back the amount charged to the statement of profit or loss (accrued figure) and then we subtract the amount we actually paid. That is why we do the subtraction and addition
Jennifer says
Mr Mike, there is an item for increase in provisions on the cash flow example. Is that a constant? I thought only cash items would be on the Statement of cash flows.
MikeLittle says
Hi Jennifer
The change (increase or decrease) in a provision is a non-cash item which will have been credited or debited respectively to the Statement of Income in arriving at profit before tax. As such, it needs to be deducted / added to the profit before tax figure to get that profit figure back to being cash based. You could have asked the same about depreciation – that too is non-cash and needs to be adjusted within the operating activities section of the Statement of Cash Flows
Jennifer says
I understand the case of depreciation, I don’t have to compare it with last year’s figure so it’s not a change(increase or decrease). In this situation, it is a change in the provision (suggesting a comparison between current and prior year figures). Please can you give me some examples of this kind of provision?
Thanks a lot. Really appreciate it……
MikeLittle says
OK, Provision for Warranty Claims brought forward from last year $62,000 (on SoFP) (on credit side of provision account)
Provision for Warranty Claims carried forward into next year $65,000 (on SoFP) (on debit side of provision account, above the total lines and on the credit side on the same account below the total lines)
Warranty Claims paid out per the notes in the question $8,800 (not always an amount paid out in an exam question) (on the debit side of the provision account above the total lines)
Therefore, there must be an entry on the credit side of the provision account above the total lines in the sum of $13,800 to keep the account in balance. The double entry for that #13,800 is to the Statement of Income, but it’s non-cash.
Therefore, in the Statement of Cash Flows, you will find an add-back in “operating activities” of $13,800 and then, lower down, an amount shown as a payment for warranty claims of $8,800
OK?
pagermm says
Dear Mike, for the above example , the double entry is $ 11800 not 13800?
Provision for Warranty Claims brought forward from last year $62,000 (on SoFP) (on credit side of provision account)
Provision for Warranty Claims carried forward into next year $65,000 (on SoFP) (on debit side of provision account, above the total lines and on the credit side on the same account below the total lines)
Warranty Claims paid out per the notes in the question $8,800 (not always an amount paid out in an exam question) (on the debit side of the provision account above the total lines)
Therefore, there must be an entry on the credit side of the provision account above the total lines in the sum of $13,800 to keep the account in balance. The double entry for that #13,800 is to the Statement of Income, but it’s non-cash.
Therefore, in the Statement of Cash Flows, you will find an add-back in “operating activities” of $13,800 and then, lower down, an amount shown as a payment for warranty claims of $8,800
Mahoysam says
Mr Mike! Don’t you ever try lose that English accent, British accents are the best! Love them!! 😀
MikeLittle says
Try as I might, that North Manchester accent stays with me, though not as broad as it used to be. The one sound which I find I cannot shake off is the “u” sound so I hear myself saying things like “cumpany budgets must show muney” – to my ears, it’s awful so it’s almost reassuring that someone, somewhere enjoys it!
Mahoysam says
Not only someone Mr Mike, there are many who do enjoy it! 🙂
dj-drani says
I do and the fun lot in the lectures. it’s a shame the jokes won’t be asked in the exams. I’ll love to get maximum marks in them!!!
MikeLittle says
🙂
nadia says
great lecture ….!!!!! i finally understand cash flows ! 🙂
thank you very much Mike
kurpatel says
Mike..Thank you very much.. Your lectures are great 🙂
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome
accaashish says
Hi any one can make me understand About Shares ( O. share , peference share, bonus shares) and any other relating to shares.
i am having problem adjusting the cash flow from “Investing activites” due to not clear understanding of shares i guess.
regards
Ash
MikeLittle says
Hi – you’re going to struggle as an accountant if you can’t get your head around something as basic as shares – sorry to be so blunt! There is certainly a session in the F3 course videos about shares – maybe you should bite the bullet and go back to revising F3. Be upbeat about it, it shouldn’t take long
Mahoysam says
But Shares related cash goes into financing activities not investing!!
Please don’t confuse me people O.o
MikeLittle says
If it’s our company that is issuing shares then Maha is correct – the entry is in “financing activities” in so far as CASH is involved.
If the matter concerning shares is because our company has made an investment in another during the year (NOT a consolidated cash flow question which is out of the F7 syllabus) then the investment would appear within “investing activities”
OK?
osaheni says
is ACCA relevant in Canada?
Sangria9 says
ACCA provides extended knowledge in finance and accounting – it may be applied in all countries. ACCA has Canada web-site. Check here https://www2.accaglobal.com/canada/
daveflaherty says
hi, theirs no sound on this lecture?
fays says
I am having problems with lectures for chapter 19 Statement of Cash flow for F7. the lecture starts and then it just stops. Am I the only one with this problem ?
nkmile64 says
What an entertaining lecture that was!
Thank you sir. The problem with the signs of the Cash Flow items was something I never completely understood, but that is all in the past now. However, could you spare a minute and answer a question that I have that I’m unable to grasp?
In the accompanying notes of the lecture in the “Cash Flows from Investing Activities” sub-section, the 2nd item reads: “Proceeds from Sale of PPE”.
I understand that this is just the CASH component of the asset disposal i.e. what we are interested in in a Statement of Cash Flows.
However, since in every asset disposal a profit/(loss) is eventually realised and this profit/(loss) would already have been charged against the Income Statement, shouldn’t we make an adjustment for this gain/(loss) in the “Cash Flows from Operating Activities” sub-section as well in the same way that we treated depreciation, amortisation and impairment?
MikeLittle says
Absolutely, yes. In fact, the revisions put through in the course notes for the Spring 2013 session DO NOW show the adjustment for ( gain ) / loss on asset disposals
nkmile64 says
Thanks MIke. Keep up the good work!
blazingfire says
Mike why does the chat link doesn’t work?. Does OT no more support chat? i have tried to log on many times but it says that i dont have permissions to log in .. can anyone help??????
chsanaullah says
thank you very much for your lectures.I have a small guestion.Is it correct that if i make non-T account working for PPE and for the rest of items like Tax Paid & interest Paid,i make T-accounts ? Thanks alot
MikeLittle says
@chsanaullah, Yes, no problem at all. Just make sure you do your best to get the right figures!
aadjazz says
Hi, it works fine on my iPad2 with the latest iOS update.
tauq says
hi there,
why can’t i view the lectures from an ipad?
Please guide me!
admin says
Lectures work on iPad
Maybe your connection is slow or behind a firewall,
Try another location?
tauq says
@admin, thanks for the reply.
i dont think it has to do with the connection because i am using the laptop in the same area with no problems. From the ipad i cant even see the video box and i cant reply to comments too.
admin says
Did you update it to the latest version? ( mean iOS .. ) maybe wifi is very slow? try it near the router..
just tried, and this video works fine on ipad2
mary Cawley says
pure gold..its just like eating broccolli…the lecture just melts into your brains…good job Mike.
admin says
@peterb, I think chocolate would be a better example, not broccoli 🙂
Mahoysam says
Or, it is a piece of cake! lol!
r2d2 says
well done mike …..good job! 🙂
petrieann says
Mike you are the best,thank you very much.