Depreciation 50: check the question and answer for example 1 in this chapter. Follow that through step by step and then apply the same principles to example 6
It seems that you need to revise F3 notes and lectures again!
It all comes down to basic double entry
cramsays
TNCA working:
Opening balance = 681 Less: Sold from pool (103+6) loss movement for yr Add: Additions into pool 200 Add: Revaluations 110 movement for yr Expected closing balance 882 Actual closing balance 832 Diff = Depreciation = 882-832 = 50
How did you get the 103 in additional shares issued under financing actovities? Plus how did you get debentures too? And how did you get depreciation? Thanks
Cash from share issue, share premium 103: share capital amount has increased by 200 during the year but 75 of that increase is accounted for by the use of that amount from the share premium account so there must have been a new issue in December of 125 shares
The share premium account started the year at 284, 75 was used to finance the issue of the 1 for 4 bonus issue so that opening balance falls to 209, and it finishes the year on 312 so there must have been a premium received on the new issue of 103
Debentures 132: opening balance was 88, closing balance was 220, therefore 132 has been borrowed this year
Depreciation 50: check the question and answer for example 1 in this chapter. Follow that through step by step and then apply the same principles to example 6
And if you’re still having problems, post again and I hope that I’ll see it – I rarely look in the “recent comments” posts
Here’s the relevant extract from the answer on page 194 of the free course notes
“Net decrease in cash and cash equivalents (92) Cash and cash equivalents at start of the year 81 Cash and cash equivalents at end of the year (17 + 32 – 60) (11)”
Hi I guess we have missed the increase in bank balance of $60K. And as I can see the comments above there is a difference of $92K in Receivables, this is the reason the answer is not matching. If we add the Bank in Cash & Equivalent in C/F balance then there is we got a positive balance of $28K not $32K in negative
It’s totally fine but I want to ask that what we have to do with the changes in bank balance? Do we have to add in cash and cash equivalent? If no then what we have to do with that?
Secondly, can you kindly explain to me from where is the $364 re ‘Purchase of Investments’ coming from please? As I was doing 396-125 (taken from the question and not 364-125.
Shame about the omissions but that should in no way affect students and it’s a useful lesion that even those that do this day in day out can make a mistake.
Hi Mike, Thank you so much, I have learned a lot from you. I want to highlight 1 mistake beside overdraft omission, Receivables increased by 92 not 32, so you miss inflow of OD amount of 60 and outflow of Receivables of 60. Thats why there is no effect, 60 – 60 = 0.
One Question, OD will be treated in Operating or Financing activity???
I wonder if at the time of recording the notes were different. In these notes receivables are 584 and 492 for 2009 and 2008 respectively, and there is 60 bank overdraft. There are no workings shown in the lecture and nobody from the audience points out that there is a mistake.
I can’t believe that I have missed it out! Please check and confirm whether I DID or I DIDN’T include the overdraft – it will save me a job of looking it up if you will check it for me – thanks
Hi Mike, Thank you so much for the lectures, just a little confused on the end part, maybe I am missing something.
In the solution in the actual written notes the net decrease for the Year is -92 and end of year is -11 ,as opposed to -32 and 49 in the lecture . In the lecture Receivables are 32K and in the written notes they are 92 k which covers the 60K difference.
As the Overdraft is also 60K , I just want to clarify that the overdraft treatment is only to be looked at in the net increase/decrease in cash and cash equivalents and nowhere else on a cash flow?
From the statements of financial position, we have brought forward and carry forward cash + bank positions (don’t miss the overdraft, nor any cash equivalents in the notes to the question)
Check it out and let me know if you still have a problem
I have one question. In the balance sheet, there is a current liability to bank. I wonder how current liability to bank affects statement of cash flows.
This would be better posted on the “ask the tutor” forum – it’s just fortunate that I happened to see it this time!
The whole aspect of bank overdrafts is dealt with within the video lectures. Have you watched them? If not, please do so. If you have watched the videos, please let me ask you to watch again but this time pay attention!
:-))
If you’re still stuck, post again but, next time, post on “Ask the tutor” forum
Just started studying this lesson for F7 december exams! But I have done basic and comprehensive questions on cash flows for O/L, A/L & AAT exams… But never got a clear lecture like this! I have no words….. thanks alot Sir! May God bless you in many ways!
Dear Mike, under the CL, we have an overdraft balance of $60, so when we will calculate the cash and cash equivalent C/F for end of the year, then will we not take into consideration? if then, this extend C/F balance coming $(11). Even on the notes it shows like that as well. copied from notes Net cash flow from financing activities 360 Net decrease in cash and cash equivalents (92) Cash and cash equivalents at start of the year 81 Cash and cash equivalents at end of the year (17 + 32 – 60) (11)
Sir you said that when we start a statement of cash flow the 4th figure to write down is ‘net cash flow for the year” I would like know how u got net cash flow for year (32) in example 6 please?
By putting in the “Cash and equivalents carried forward”, then the “Cash and equivalents brought forward” that then means that you can arrive at “Net cash flow for the year”
Can you agree “Cash and equivalents brought forward” as $81?
Can you see the cash balance at the end of the year is $17 (in the current assets)?
And you can see the overdraft amount of $60 carried forward (in the current liabilities)?
The increase in receivables should be 92 according to the notes and not 32. The original figures are: 2008 – 492 2009 – 584 There fore the net cash flow should be 11 negative according to notes answers.
The voice isn’t synchronized with the movements on the screen. The screen moves at 4 or 5 seconds ahead of the voice. Kindly do fix to avoid any future inconvenience. Thanks
Sir, i understand how you arrived at all the figure except for the increase in receivable which i was thinking should be (584-492) 92…. i cant figure out how you got the 32…. i know i missing something in there. do help me please.
Same here – I think the notes have been updated since the lecture – check the answers; it’s 92 there (although you then end up with a cash c/fwd of -11. This is also in the answer and you have to adjust for the overdraft (60) from the bank which was not in the original lecture.
I have a comment on the notes answers as the 60 at the bank at the end of year 2009 isn’t an overdraft and should add up to the 32 and 17 giving a total of 109 ! we deduct that from the 81 opening balance to arrive at a positive net cash flow of 28 (if receivables figure in the cash flow statement is 92 negative)
mehazia says
why isn’t the interest of debenture deducted from the financing activity of the previous yr?aren’t we supposed to do that?
MikeLittle says
Which question are you looking at?
abuhanifaconcept says
Please, where is the 50 fr depreciation comes from?
MikeLittle says
Depreciation 50: check the question and answer for example 1 in this chapter. Follow that through step by step and then apply the same principles to example 6
avoiddisturbings says
dear sir, there is a quite big jump between example 1 and 6 regarding the 50. would you please help us understand?
MikeLittle says
It seems that you need to revise F3 notes and lectures again!
It all comes down to basic double entry
cram says
TNCA working:
Opening balance = 681
Less: Sold from pool (103+6) loss movement for yr
Add: Additions into pool 200
Add: Revaluations 110 movement for yr
Expected closing balance 882
Actual closing balance 832
Diff = Depreciation = 882-832 = 50
Oyinda says
How did you get the 103 in additional shares issued under financing actovities? Plus how did you get debentures too? And how did you get depreciation? Thanks
MikeLittle says
Cash from share issue, share premium 103: share capital amount has increased by 200 during the year but 75 of that increase is accounted for by the use of that amount from the share premium account so there must have been a new issue in December of 125 shares
The share premium account started the year at 284, 75 was used to finance the issue of the 1 for 4 bonus issue so that opening balance falls to 209, and it finishes the year on 312 so there must have been a premium received on the new issue of 103
Debentures 132: opening balance was 88, closing balance was 220, therefore 132 has been borrowed this year
Depreciation 50: check the question and answer for example 1 in this chapter. Follow that through step by step and then apply the same principles to example 6
And if you’re still having problems, post again and I hope that I’ll see it – I rarely look in the “recent comments” posts
Oyinda says
Oh Thank you. This answer didnt even appear when I replied with the “never mind…” Thank you
Oyinda says
Never mind, I finally got the whole video to load. Thank you
MikeLittle says
No problem, glad that you’re sorted out now
natty2 says
hi mike thank you for your lectures
can you tell me if this is corrected
net cash flow for the year ( 92)
cash & equivalent b/f 81
Cash & Equivalent in C/F balance is (17+32)-60= = 11
MikeLittle says
Why do you think that it may be corrected?
Here’s the relevant extract from the answer on page 194 of the free course notes
“Net decrease in cash and cash equivalents (92)
Cash and cash equivalents at start of the year 81
Cash and cash equivalents at end of the year (17 + 32 – 60) (11)”
natty2 says
I wasn’t sure thank you smiling
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome
chiranjeev says
Hi
I guess we have missed the increase in bank balance of $60K.
And as I can see the comments above there is a difference of $92K in Receivables, this is the reason the answer is not matching.
If we add the Bank in Cash & Equivalent in C/F balance then there is we got a positive balance of $28K not $32K in negative
Thanks
Chiranjeev
MikeLittle says
It’s on my list of lectures to re-record!
I changed the figures to bring the question more into line with F7 cash flow questions – but I changed the figures after I had recorded the lecture 🙁
chiranjeev says
It’s totally fine but I want to ask that what we have to do with the changes in bank balance?
Do we have to add in cash and cash equivalent?
If no then what we have to do with that?
MikeLittle says
Changes in cash and cash equivalents are in the bottom three lines of the statement of cash flows
eliaslinus says
Hi Mike,
First of all keep up the good work you’re doing:)
Secondly, can you kindly explain to me from where is the $364 re ‘Purchase of Investments’ coming from please? As I was doing 396-125 (taken from the question and not 364-125.
Thank you in advance and happy weekend 🙂
MikeLittle says
Hi, isn’t there a note to the question that says something like “32 of the investments were considered to be cash equivalents”?
eliaslinus says
Oops!! missed that.. Thanks so much
MikeLittle says
No problem – RTFQ
sabina1717 says
Hi Mike,
But does not it mean that investments are less than it hsould be so we should not deduct, but add 32?
MikeLittle says
Put it in T accounts and you’ll see the rationale much more easily
I believe the question states that “Included within investments …”
dumonde says
Mike,
Great lecture, brilliant wit throughout.
Shame about the omissions but that should in no way affect students and it’s a useful lesion that even those that do this day in day out can make a mistake.
The lesson is take your time and take care.
Thanks,
Awais says
Hi Mike, Thank you so much, I have learned a lot from you. I want to highlight 1 mistake beside overdraft omission, Receivables increased by 92 not 32, so you miss inflow of OD amount of 60 and outflow of Receivables of 60. Thats why there is no effect, 60 – 60 = 0.
One Question, OD will be treated in Operating or Financing activity???
tothk0 says
I wonder if at the time of recording the notes were different. In these notes receivables are 584 and 492 for 2009 and 2008 respectively, and there is 60 bank overdraft. There are no workings shown in the lecture and nobody from the audience points out that there is a mistake.
MikeLittle says
I ALWAYS treat the overdraft as cash equivalent
evans says
Hi, please why did you leave out overdraft of in the calculation of cash and cash equivalent? Am confused about it.
MikeLittle says
I can’t believe that I have missed it out! Please check and confirm whether I DID or I DIDN’T include the overdraft – it will save me a job of looking it up if you will check it for me – thanks
maria says
Hi Mike, Thank you so much for the lectures, just a little confused on the end part, maybe I am missing something.
In the solution in the actual written notes the net decrease for the Year is -92 and end of year is -11 ,as opposed to -32 and 49 in the lecture .
In the lecture Receivables are 32K and in the written notes they are 92 k which covers the 60K difference.
As the Overdraft is also 60K , I just want to clarify that the overdraft treatment is only to be looked at in the net increase/decrease in cash and cash equivalents and nowhere else on a cash flow?
Regards,
Maria
alexnwtkd says
How you got (32)
81
49
at the last of question 6?
MikeLittle says
From the statements of financial position, we have brought forward and carry forward cash + bank positions (don’t miss the overdraft, nor any cash equivalents in the notes to the question)
Check it out and let me know if you still have a problem
Chris says
This is probably going to sound rediculous but how do you calculate the depreciation to be 50??
I really am struggling to reconcile this one, thank you.
Chris.
jamakhalif says
Hi Sir,
Why is the increase in receivable (CF from operating activities) 32. I am getting 92 i.e 584 for 2009 – 492 for 2008 = 92
Am I missing anything?
MikeLittle says
Yes! You didn’t read the other posts on this thread before you typed yours!
This is one of the lectures that I need to rerecord
psimeon says
Dear Mike,
Is the new recording available for this?
Thanks,
Paula
MikeLittle says
Hi Paula, no, I haven’t been able to do a lot of recording this Summer, sorry
Isa says
Thanks sir.
yunjeong says
Sir, thank you for the lecture!
I have one question. In the balance sheet, there is a current liability to bank. I wonder how current liability to bank affects statement of cash flows.
Thanks!
MikeLittle says
Hi
This would be better posted on the “ask the tutor” forum – it’s just fortunate that I happened to see it this time!
The whole aspect of bank overdrafts is dealt with within the video lectures. Have you watched them? If not, please do so. If you have watched the videos, please let me ask you to watch again but this time pay attention!
:-))
If you’re still stuck, post again but, next time, post on “Ask the tutor” forum
zee says
Just started studying this lesson for F7 december exams! But I have done basic and comprehensive questions on cash flows for O/L, A/L & AAT exams… But never got a clear lecture like this! I have no words….. thanks alot Sir! May God bless you in many ways!
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome – and welcome too to opentuition 🙂
arman90fy says
Dear Mike,
under the CL, we have an overdraft balance of $60, so when we will calculate the cash and cash equivalent C/F for end of the year, then will we not take into consideration? if then, this extend C/F balance coming $(11). Even on the notes it shows like that as well.
copied from notes
Net cash flow from financing activities 360
Net decrease in cash and cash equivalents (92)
Cash and cash equivalents at start of the year 81
Cash and cash equivalents at end of the year (17 + 32 – 60) (11)
MikeLittle says
The notes are correct – the carry forward amount is (11)
Thanks for pointing this out – I should really re-record the lecture
arman90fy says
you welcome sir..
sharly says
Sir you said that when we start a statement of cash flow the 4th figure to write down is ‘net cash flow for the year” I would like know how u got net cash flow for year (32) in example 6 please?
MikeLittle says
By putting in the “Cash and equivalents carried forward”, then the “Cash and equivalents brought forward” that then means that you can arrive at “Net cash flow for the year”
Can you agree “Cash and equivalents brought forward” as $81?
Can you see the cash balance at the end of the year is $17 (in the current assets)?
And you can see the overdraft amount of $60 carried forward (in the current liabilities)?
And you’ve read note 3 on page 112?
Then ……
sharly says
thanks, I see it clearly now.
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome
Mamoon says
Hello Sir,
The increase in receivables should be 92 according to the notes and not 32.
The original figures are:
2008 – 492
2009 – 584
There fore the net cash flow should be 11 negative according to notes answers.
Thanks,
Mamoon says
oh alright I just read the below comments
Thanks,
mario123 says
The voice isn’t synchronized with the movements on the screen. The screen moves at 4 or 5 seconds ahead of the voice. Kindly do fix to avoid any future inconvenience. Thanks
Accountmanaic says
Sir, i understand how you arrived at all the figure except for the increase in receivable which i was thinking should be (584-492) 92…. i cant figure out how you got the 32…. i know i missing something in there. do help me please.
rule3 says
Same problem here
andreasmacfarlane says
Same here – I think the notes have been updated since the lecture – check the answers; it’s 92 there (although you then end up with a cash c/fwd of -11. This is also in the answer and you have to adjust for the overdraft (60) from the bank which was not in the original lecture.
All good!
Fabulous lecture Mike. Thank you!
Mamoon says
Hi
I have a comment on the notes answers as the 60 at the bank at the end of year 2009 isn’t an overdraft and should add up to the 32 and 17 giving a total of 109 !
we deduct that from the 81 opening balance to arrive at a positive net cash flow of 28 (if receivables figure in the cash flow statement is 92 negative)
Right Mike?
Regards,