Under the second option, how is it possible for us to sell 600 dresses? We bought 900 and each dress uses 3 meters, shouldn’t that be 300 dresses x 22? Sir?
Just bit confused with M&S example. When the customer returns the wine stain dress purchased for £500 and return to us. Now we will put back in stock may be lower than cost say £200. You said there isn’t outflow of economics resources as changing £500 dress with £200 wine stain dress . But we have loss £300 on this dress which we can’t sell for £500 now??? Is outflow economic resources means future losses ?? In M&S company could make provision that we may get some damage products?
I never said that there we son outflow of economic resource! And if I did, it was trying to lead the students into agreeing and then I say “Ah, but yes, there is an outflow” and therefore a provision IS appropriate
A trade payable is a certain creditor arising from us having received goods or services for which we have not yet paid. A provision is a probable liability / obligation(not a “possible” one, a “probable “one) We foresee that a probable obligation exists so, prudently, we make provision for it. In fact, the obligation may not actually occur so we would then release the provision back into retained earnings.
please mr mike explain to me by writing the difference between legal and constructive provisions and how i can put provisions in balance sheet and income statement
A legal obligation (not a legal provision as you have described it) is an obligation arising from the operation of law. Thus manufacturers have a legal obligation when they sell their products with a guarantee. they are legally obliged to honour that guarantee. Similarly, when you enter into a contract, you have a legal obligation to honour your part of that contract.
A constructive obligation arises because you have raised in the minds of those affected the reasonable expectation that you will continue to operate in the future in the way that you have always acted in the past. If you are a department store and you have developed a reputation of refunding money on goods which you previously sold but which the buyer is now returning, you have a constructive obligation to refund money for future returns. It’s not an obligation in law and the buyer would likely not be successful if they were to sue you in Court. But your refusal this time to refund would damage your reputation and that is potentially far more expensive than simply refunding the cash
Just a quick question – Are we gonna make a provision of $1,350? But this is a future loss, are we allowed to make a provision for operating future losses, or is it because it is a onerous contract, that’s why?
So I get from this example that the only case where we can make a provision for operating future losses is the case of onerous contracts, other than that, it has to be either a legal or construction obligation?
RE Onerous Contracts….the Jan 2016 exam had an onerous contract in the Consolidation which threw me…..Would you treat it like a FV adj and give it a negative value in the Goodwill section ie RE x SC x FV adj -y
atique888 says
Dear Sir,
How did you get 300 in second step.
Thanks in Advance
mjibola says
Under the second option, how is it possible for us to sell 600 dresses? We bought 900 and each dress uses 3 meters, shouldn’t that be 300 dresses x 22? Sir?
MikeLittle says
It’s 900 meters per month and the notice period is 2 months
Does that do it?
rajaasifahmed says
Just bit confused with M&S example. When the customer returns the wine stain dress purchased for £500 and return to us. Now we will put back in stock may be lower than cost say £200. You said there isn’t outflow of economics resources as changing £500 dress with £200 wine stain dress . But we have loss £300 on this dress which we can’t sell for £500 now??? Is outflow economic resources means future losses ?? In M&S company could make provision that we may get some damage products?
MikeLittle says
I never said that there we son outflow of economic resource! And if I did, it was trying to lead the students into agreeing and then I say “Ah, but yes, there is an outflow” and therefore a provision IS appropriate
rajaasifahmed says
Many thanks Sir for quick reply. Understood now
tarek says
and what is the deffirance between trade payapl and provosions?
MikeLittle says
A trade payable is a certain creditor arising from us having received goods or services for which we have not yet paid. A provision is a probable liability / obligation(not a “possible” one, a “probable “one) We foresee that a probable obligation exists so, prudently, we make provision for it. In fact, the obligation may not actually occur so we would then release the provision back into retained earnings.
tarek says
please mr mike explain to me by writing the difference between legal and constructive provisions and how i can put provisions in balance sheet and income statement
MikeLittle says
A legal obligation (not a legal provision as you have described it) is an obligation arising from the operation of law. Thus manufacturers have a legal obligation when they sell their products with a guarantee. they are legally obliged to honour that guarantee. Similarly, when you enter into a contract, you have a legal obligation to honour your part of that contract.
A constructive obligation arises because you have raised in the minds of those affected the reasonable expectation that you will continue to operate in the future in the way that you have always acted in the past. If you are a department store and you have developed a reputation of refunding money on goods which you previously sold but which the buyer is now returning, you have a constructive obligation to refund money for future returns. It’s not an obligation in law and the buyer would likely not be successful if they were to sue you in Court. But your refusal this time to refund would damage your reputation and that is potentially far more expensive than simply refunding the cash
nacnac says
I get it thanks in advance
nacnac says
Dear Mr little
My question is in example 1 where is the 300 coming from
Mahoysam says
Hi Mr Little,
Just a quick question – Are we gonna make a provision of $1,350? But this is a future loss, are we allowed to make a provision for operating future losses, or is it because it is a onerous contract, that’s why?
So I get from this example that the only case where we can make a provision for operating future losses is the case of onerous contracts, other than that, it has to be either a legal or construction obligation?
Many tanks,
Maha
Mahoysam says
*constructive.
MikeLittle says
Correct
Mahoysam says
Ok, thanks Mr Little!
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome
fidahussain says
hi sir
can you explain plz why we are including in calculations? and is it time duration ? if yes so why we are including time factor
MikeLittle says
I don’t understand this question!
antyeo says
Hi Mike
RE Onerous Contracts….the Jan 2016 exam had an onerous contract in the Consolidation which threw me…..Would you treat it like a FV adj and give it a negative value in the Goodwill section ie RE x
SC x
FV adj -y
Thanks