Dear Mr. Mike, Could you tell me, please, for the task with Giedruola, how have you calculated “Financial lease interest not yet accrued” for “Reconciliation of Obligations…with minimum lease payments”?
i dont even know where to start from am so confused everything was flowing well until 3minutes into the video then you lost me,i dont understand where those figures are coming from, please help me
I can only assume that you cannot see where the figures for interest come from. I suspect that you are not able to calculate 10% on an amount for HALF A YEAR.
If that hasn’t resolved your difficulties, please post again
Thank you for a great lecture Mike. Could you please explain how the current liabilities and long term liability is calculated ? i am a bit confused about it, how come the log term liability is the remainder amount at the end of year 2 and current the difference between year 2 and year 1. what is the logic as we are preparing the financial statement as at the end of year 1 as per question? Thank you in advance
That’s an easy one! We know the total liability (say 30,000) at the end of the year and that total amount is payable over the next (say) 5 years. But we need to know how much is payable within twelve months (current) and how much is payable in periods more than twelve months hence (deferred)
If I calculate the amount outstanding at the end of NEXT year (say 23,000), then that figure represents the element of the current year’s total obligation (30,000) which will still be outstanding twelve months hence.
Thus we can see that, of that 30,000, 23,000 will not be paid in the current year and is therefore deferred whereas our liability will fall by 7,000 (30,000 – 23,000) over the next twelve months and that must represent the current element of the 30,000
@ MikeLittle: I got the logic behind calculating Current Liability. However can you please explain why we take the figure as at the end of the next year as NCL?
Thanks
babubamfosays
i want to understand leasing ias 17.can someone help me out.
i read the previous comments and like them i am confused too , how did you get TNCL (total non current liabilities ) and TCL(total current liabilities figure ) ????
Dear Mike your answer should be that the current liability is 795+835= 1630 not 1712 because payments are on 01 / january not on 1 / july.and so on plz explain?
but how much interest RELATES to the accounting period? The payment on 1 July paid off the interest that had accrued for the period from 1 January up to 30 June. Interest then accrues from the period from 1 July up to 31 December – but that interest is not paid until “tomorrow” when we pay the next instalment on 1 January next year.
Leases seemed so difficult at the beginning and I had no idea what’s going on O.o But then when I studied the chapter after watching the lecture I feel better about it!
Sir, Thank you for the excellent lecture. However, I suggest that you help us to solve part two of the question for a simple reason. The logic used to determine the non current liability and the current liability seems to be different if the rentals are paid in advance. I have not been able to decode this logic. I came across it in Kaplan.
It’s simple enough – just work out the dates and amounts of the payments to be made in the next ( say ) two years and you can then see how much is to be paid in the next twelve months and therefore how much is a long term debt
If you check the notes, you will find the correct year at the back . Maybe the lecture is recorded when the question had a different year or something, but the answers in the notes have the correct year anyways.
in Giedris, why we calculated the lease for two years while the questions asked to prepared the extracts for year ended 31-12-2009. the lease started on 01-01-2009. It should be only one years…..
@haidernchd, Hi… calculating for the 2yrs will assist with the determination of Current Liabilities reported at the end of the 1st yr…at least I found that it helped.
@bajprincess, You’re absolutely correct. We need to subdivide the obligation to the lessor into current and long term and the easiest way is to progress the calculations up to the end of the accounting year following the year we are asked to consider
In example two (Giedris) the estimated used life of the asset was nine (9) years however seven (7) years was used to calculate the depreciation. It was noted that seven (7) years was not mentioned in the question at any point. Why was the depreciation worked at seven (7) years.
@jehanhasan, You could really do with a “picture” of the “obligations account” where you show the capital amount outstanding and show the dates when the capital amount is then changed by the interest calculated on that capital amount. Then show the payment of the installment and the date and that should then leave you with the capital amount outstanding for the next period until we again calculate the interest ….. and so on
sir in example 1 the payment is in arears and in example two it is clearly written that the rental payment is on 1st january and 1 july but in your answer , you did write the payment of 1500 on 30 june and 31 december so my question is, if the payment date does n,t effect the calculation then why it is mentioned clearly in question ? kindly explain about it. kind regards
@jehanhasan, It DOES affect the calculation – the payment date determines the capital element outstanding at any point in time and it’s the capital element upon which the interest is calculated until the next installment date
dears Sir, Am I correct to think this question video was mixed on editing. At around 3 mins 5 secs the working figures appear to be suddenly totally different from the figures about 15 seconds before..i’m confused. Please view the video from 2min 45 sec to 3min 15 secs
@fzinyemba, Hi, no, it’s fine. The screen shots you refer to are the situation / schedule after two payments ( the earlier screen ) and then 2 instalments after that. If you look upwards from the second screen, you’ll find 15,295 higher up.
It’s just that the second screen doesn’t show the 15,295 from the first screen
Is that clear? I know what I’m trying to say but it seems to have come out a bit jumbled!
there is something wrong with leasing i should think so cos i have played it twice and i don’t understand a thing. you still the best for me Mike so jus check it up
Why have you started with 2004? The notes state that Giedris aquired asset on 1 January 2009 this I believe is the same for example 1 Should it start with 2009 the year when the asset was aquired?
Sir, I don’t understand the answer to Giedruola that you said we do it ourselves especially extract of the SoFP where its written in the answer as follows:
olyakosh says
Dear Mr. Mike,
Could you tell me, please, for the task with Giedruola, how have you calculated “Financial lease interest not yet accrued” for “Reconciliation of Obligations…with minimum lease payments”?
Thank you in advance for answering my question.
Olga
thandiwe says
i dont even know where to start from am so confused everything was flowing well until 3minutes into the video then you lost me,i dont understand where those figures are coming from, please help me
MikeLittle says
I can only assume that you cannot see where the figures for interest come from. I suspect that you are not able to calculate 10% on an amount for HALF A YEAR.
If that hasn’t resolved your difficulties, please post again
thandiwe says
i got confused for a minute but after watching the entire video i now understand where a the figures are coming from, thank you
MikeLittle says
Ok, thanks for letting me know
kurpatel says
Thank you for a great lecture Mike. Could you please explain how the current liabilities and long term liability is calculated ? i am a bit confused about it, how come the log term liability is the remainder amount at the end of year 2 and current the difference between year 2 and year 1. what is the logic as we are preparing the financial statement as at the end of year 1 as per question? Thank you in advance
MikeLittle says
That’s an easy one! We know the total liability (say 30,000) at the end of the year and that total amount is payable over the next (say) 5 years. But we need to know how much is payable within twelve months (current) and how much is payable in periods more than twelve months hence (deferred)
If I calculate the amount outstanding at the end of NEXT year (say 23,000), then that figure represents the element of the current year’s total obligation (30,000) which will still be outstanding twelve months hence.
Thus we can see that, of that 30,000, 23,000 will not be paid in the current year and is therefore deferred whereas our liability will fall by 7,000 (30,000 – 23,000) over the next twelve months and that must represent the current element of the 30,000
OK?
Accountaholic says
@ MikeLittle:
I got the logic behind calculating Current Liability. However can you please explain why we take the figure as at the end of the next year as NCL?
Thanks
babubamfo says
i want to understand leasing ias 17.can someone help me out.
absylum007 says
i read the previous comments and like them i am confused too , how did you get TNCL (total non current liabilities ) and TCL(total current liabilities figure ) ????
MikeLittle says
Read my reply to Ahmer and see if that clears up the confusion
ahmer says
Dear Mike your answer should be that the current liability is 795+835= 1630 not 1712 because payments are on 01 / january not on 1 / july.and so on plz explain?
MikeLittle says
but how much interest RELATES to the accounting period? The payment on 1 July paid off the interest that had accrued for the period from 1 January up to 30 June. Interest then accrues from the period from 1 July up to 31 December – but that interest is not paid until “tomorrow” when we pay the next instalment on 1 January next year.
Does that clear it up?
Mahoysam says
Leases seemed so difficult at the beginning and I had no idea what’s going on O.o But then when I studied the chapter after watching the lecture I feel better about it!
Thanks a lot!
sunnyenen says
Hello, sir, I am a bit confused. Why cash change was not in the SoFP?
eadinnu says
Sir,
Thank you for the excellent lecture. However, I suggest that you help us to solve part two of the question for a simple reason. The logic used to determine the non current liability and the current liability seems to be different if the rentals are paid in advance. I have not been able to decode this logic. I came across it in Kaplan.
Thank you in advance!
MikeLittle says
Hi
It’s simple enough – just work out the dates and amounts of the payments to be made in the next ( say ) two years and you can then see how much is to be paid in the next twelve months and therefore how much is a long term debt
eadinnu says
Thanks
loopheichuen says
May I know why we started from 2004? Question said they acquired the asset on 1 January 2009. I am so confused.
Mahoysam says
If you check the notes, you will find the correct year at the back . Maybe the lecture is recorded when the question had a different year or something, but the answers in the notes have the correct year anyways.
haidernchd says
in Giedris, why we calculated the lease for two years while the questions asked to prepared the extracts for year ended 31-12-2009. the lease started on 01-01-2009. It should be only one years…..
bajprincess says
@haidernchd, Hi… calculating for the 2yrs will assist with the determination of Current Liabilities reported at the end of the 1st yr…at least I found that it helped.
MikeLittle says
@bajprincess, You’re absolutely correct. We need to subdivide the obligation to the lessor into current and long term and the easiest way is to progress the calculations up to the end of the accounting year following the year we are asked to consider
ppatterson says
In example two (Giedris) the estimated used life of the asset was nine (9) years however seven (7) years was used to calculate the depreciation. It was noted that seven (7) years was not mentioned in the question at any point. Why was the depreciation worked at seven (7) years.
MikeLittle says
@ppatterson, 14 half yearly instalments? depreciate over the lesser of useful life and lease term!
jehanhasan says
or this is two different contracts, if different contracts then what about this question, how it is calculated , i am a little bit confused about it.
MikeLittle says
@jehanhasan, You could really do with a “picture” of the “obligations account” where you show the capital amount outstanding and show the dates when the capital amount is then changed by the interest calculated on that capital amount. Then show the payment of the installment and the date and that should then leave you with the capital amount outstanding for the next period until we again calculate the interest ….. and so on
jehanhasan says
sir in example 1 the payment is in arears and in example two it is clearly written that the rental payment is on 1st january and 1 july but in your answer , you did write the payment of 1500 on 30 june and 31 december so my question is, if the payment date does n,t effect the calculation then why it is mentioned clearly in question ? kindly explain about it.
kind regards
MikeLittle says
@jehanhasan, It DOES affect the calculation – the payment date determines the capital element outstanding at any point in time and it’s the capital element upon which the interest is calculated until the next installment date
ribberson says
Where do you get the TNCA figure of 13714 from?
Thanks
MikeLittle says
@ribberson, Cost less depreciation?
fzinyemba says
dears Sir, Am I correct to think this question video was mixed on editing. At around 3 mins 5 secs the working figures appear to be suddenly totally different from the figures about 15 seconds before..i’m confused. Please view the video from 2min 45 sec to 3min 15 secs
MikeLittle says
@fzinyemba, Hi, no, it’s fine. The screen shots you refer to are the situation / schedule after two payments ( the earlier screen ) and then 2 instalments after that. If you look upwards from the second screen, you’ll find 15,295 higher up.
It’s just that the second screen doesn’t show the 15,295 from the first screen
Is that clear? I know what I’m trying to say but it seems to have come out a bit jumbled!
fzinyemba says
@MikeLittle,
Thanks Mike,
Now it makes sense to me.
your lectures are brilliant
MikeLittle says
@fzinyemba, 馃檪
albertabediacca says
there is something wrong with leasing i should think so cos i have played it twice and i don’t understand a thing. you still the best for me Mike so jus check it up
aardvark says
Dear Sir
Why have you started with 2004? The notes state that Giedris aquired asset on 1 January 2009 this I believe is the same for example 1
Should it start with 2009 the year when the asset was aquired?
Many thanks
rimisac says
I do not understand the answer to this question. I am completely confused,
MikeLittle says
@rimisac, I’ll look at the question – possibly tomorrow, when I have a bit of time
zamina says
Sir, I don’t understand the answer to Giedruola that you said we do it ourselves especially extract of the SoFP where its written in the answer as follows:
TNCA 13714
C.L 1712
LTL 11583
Interest
not yet
accrued 665
My question is why is it the same as Gieoris and that figure of 665, its confusing please if u can help.
Zamina.