Taking into consideration that Edigijus on 1/01/2009 completed the project from the invested funds i.e. from the 90 why has the borrowing cost of Jan to Feb been calculated ?
Can u please clarify,the loan we are taking about, is it Long Term or Short term, For instance,if we take a loan to acquire an asset, and the loan taken is short term, thus the finance cost incured, is it capitalised or taken as revenue expenditure.? needs
No, and it’s never come up to my recollection. You mean that, after capitalisation of borrowing costs the carrying value is seen to exceed recoverable amount? No, no examples
There appears to be a missing accrual of $3,000 interest. This depends upon the date of issue of the loan but if it’s a 10% loan of $80,000 then a full year’s charge should be $8,000 (expense in statement of profit or loss), $3,000 accrual for interest not yet paid (current liability on statement of financial position) and $80,000 long term liability (statement of financial position)
Of course, if the $3,000 unpaid interest is the difference between face value interest rate and effective interest rate, then that $3,000 will be added to the $80,000 and $83,000 will be shown as the long term liability.
It all depends on the terms of the loan and you haven’t given me enough detail for me to be specific
Say the date of borrowing the loan and the date of commencing construction is different, what is the date to be taken for start capitalization of borrowing cost?
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Hi – of the original 100 borrowed, there is still 20 invested as at the date the next 120 is borrowed. Of that 120, 70 is invested (so 50 is spent). When the 70 is invested, it’s added to the 20 invested brought forward and that’s where the 90 invested comes from!
Applying the above logic, the balance in April is 90m. In end May, he spent 60m. That would leave us with a balance amount of 30m. On 31st August, he spends 20m. So should the calculation not be 30+20=50. How did we come to 90?
Do the words “withdrew” and “spend” imply the same in this question?
On 31 August, he borrows 80 of which 20 is spent immediately. That leaves 60 to invest on top of the existing investment of 30 and that gives us the 90
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I have a question in relation to borrowing cost, what happens if the borrowed finance is repaid before the project is complete, do we keep capitalising borrowed cost until the project is completed or capitalise until its repaid?
I don’t understand one thing, calculating the temporary investment of surplus funds of 90 mlns (from 31. August till 1.11). This was calculated for two months, which I understand as then there was a strike. But why we didn’t add another 2 months when the work resumed from 1.1 until completion 2 months later. We did it for borrowed costs why not for invested? Didn’t we earn any invested income during this time?
Well I think that with this kind of problems it’s better trying to establish the logical sequence of events first. So, by 1 Sep ’08 the entity has received the whole $300m loan from the bank and at the same time $90m out of this sum are temporarily invested ,in another bank I suppose, earning a 5% interest p.a. For the whole of Sep and Oct (2 months) the borrowing costs eligible for capitalisation will be the actual borrowing costs incurred less the matching investing income, in accordance with IAS 23. When the work resumed on 1 Jan ’09 the question states and I quote “the entity spent the rest of the loan in completing the project”, which means (remember it could not get any more money from the borrowing bank) it withdrew the $90m from the investing bank and spent them in construction; that’s is why we didn’t earn any investment income for the period 1Jan ’09 – 28 Feb ’09 : there was nothing to invest!
Yet, there is still a problem of how to treat the investment income earned in the period 1 Nov ’09 – 31 Dec ’09 i.e. the period of the workers’ strike. Should we keep on deducting this income from the the capitalised aggregate sum while at the same time there wouldn’t be any matching costs? According to IAS 23 during an extended period in which an entity suspends activities relating to the asset construction, the borrowing costs incurred should be treated as costs of holding PARTIALLY COMPLETED assets and thus would not qualify for capitalisation. I assume that this refers to the temporary investment as well but I an not certain and I would appreciate the tutor’s assistance on this.
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Audrienne says
Hi,
Taking into consideration that Edigijus on 1/01/2009 completed the project from the invested funds i.e. from the 90 why has the borrowing cost of Jan to Feb been calculated ?
Thanks
MikeLittle says
It doesn’t say that at all!
Here’s the question …”Edigijus spent the rest of the loan in completing the project, which was ready for final inspection by 28 February”
OK?
ashiktamot says
Can u please clarify,the loan we are taking about, is it Long Term or Short term,
For instance,if we take a loan to acquire an asset, and the loan taken is short term, thus the finance cost incured, is it capitalised or taken as revenue expenditure.? needs
ouzairahmad says
If there is any example regarding impairment on the excess of carrying value over recoverable value (for IAS 23)?
MikeLittle says
No, and it’s never come up to my recollection. You mean that, after capitalisation of borrowing costs the carrying value is seen to exceed recoverable amount? No, no examples
Priyanka says
Hello
Please help..
Trial Balance :
Interest paid (DR) – $5000
10% loan – $80000
Add.Information:
The loan is repayable in five years.
-“-“-”
Is it
$8000 to income statement as Finance Cost
And
$80000 to B/sheet as NCL??
Thanks ?
MikeLittle says
There appears to be a missing accrual of $3,000 interest. This depends upon the date of issue of the loan but if it’s a 10% loan of $80,000 then a full year’s charge should be $8,000 (expense in statement of profit or loss), $3,000 accrual for interest not yet paid (current liability on statement of financial position) and $80,000 long term liability (statement of financial position)
Of course, if the $3,000 unpaid interest is the difference between face value interest rate and effective interest rate, then that $3,000 will be added to the $80,000 and $83,000 will be shown as the long term liability.
It all depends on the terms of the loan and you haven’t given me enough detail for me to be specific
zee says
Say the date of borrowing the loan and the date of commencing construction is different, what is the date to be taken for start capitalization of borrowing cost?
MikeLittle says
Date of commencement of work on the contract
Anh says
if a part of a loan is not used until a date after the date of commencing construction . which date is that part capitalized?
MikeLittle says
Have you listened to the lecture or read the course notes?
hammad3214 says
any suggestions of important past papers questions related to IAS 23??
2741838 says
hi I am doing p2 and I do not understand how one deals with borrowing costs and government grants in consolidated statement of cash flows
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jivanjee says
hi i dont understand where you got investment as 90 on 1st of april – isnt it 70 ?
MikeLittle says
Hi – of the original 100 borrowed, there is still 20 invested as at the date the next 120 is borrowed. Of that 120, 70 is invested (so 50 is spent). When the 70 is invested, it’s added to the 20 invested brought forward and that’s where the 90 invested comes from!
OK?
Rupa says
Applying the above logic, the balance in April is 90m. In end May, he spent 60m. That would leave us with a balance amount of 30m. On 31st August, he spends 20m. So should the calculation not be 30+20=50. How did we come to 90?
Do the words “withdrew” and “spend” imply the same in this question?
MikeLittle says
On 31 August, he borrows 80 of which 20 is spent immediately. That leaves 60 to invest on top of the existing investment of 30 and that gives us the 90
OK?
jivanjee says
got it ! Thanks
gen says
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arthney says
Quite interesting. However what happened to the two months in 2009 for the investment income? The question asked for the CV right before the sale.
castrin196michael says
Dear Mike,
Thank you so much for these lectures, it really made my ACCA self study more interesting and enjoyable.
I have a question in relation to borrowing cost, what happens if the borrowed finance is repaid before the project is complete, do we keep capitalising borrowed cost until the project is completed or capitalise until its repaid?
Thank you
achandze says
Hi,
My name is Alicia.
I don’t understand one thing, calculating the temporary investment of surplus funds of 90 mlns (from 31. August till 1.11). This was calculated for two months, which I understand as then there was a strike. But why we didn’t add another 2 months when the work resumed from 1.1 until completion 2 months later. We did it for borrowed costs why not for invested? Didn’t we earn any invested income during this time?
nkmile64 says
Well I think that with this kind of problems it’s better trying to establish the logical sequence of events first.
So, by 1 Sep ’08 the entity has received the whole $300m loan from the bank and at the same time $90m out of this sum are temporarily invested ,in another bank I suppose, earning a 5% interest p.a.
For the whole of Sep and Oct (2 months) the borrowing costs eligible for capitalisation will be the actual borrowing costs incurred less the matching investing income, in accordance with IAS 23.
When the work resumed on 1 Jan ’09 the question states and I quote “the entity spent the rest of the loan in completing the project”, which means (remember it could not get any more money from the borrowing bank) it withdrew the $90m from the investing bank and spent them in construction; that’s is why we didn’t earn any investment income for the period 1Jan ’09 – 28 Feb ’09 : there was nothing to invest!
Yet, there is still a problem of how to treat the investment income earned in the period 1 Nov ’09 – 31 Dec ’09 i.e. the period of the workers’ strike. Should we keep on deducting this income from the the capitalised aggregate sum while at the same time there wouldn’t be any matching costs? According to IAS 23 during an extended period in which an entity suspends activities relating to the asset construction, the borrowing costs incurred should be treated as costs of holding PARTIALLY COMPLETED assets and thus would not qualify for capitalisation. I assume that this refers to the temporary investment as well but I an not certain and I would appreciate the tutor’s assistance on this.
arthney says
Ok I get it. So we withdrew the investment on Jan 1. Cool.
eadinnu says
Though not very difficult, it will not be out of place to introduce an example where capitalisation rate is used to work out the borrowing cost.
hasanali95 says
Hi Sir 馃檪
Is such a type of qs likely to come in the exam??
I have a queation:the 20m he spent immediately on 31august what do we do with that?
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zoya07 says
Hi,
how come you got 90 for investment at 1.09.08?. Should it be 30-20=10?.
redianna says
hi. sorry if im wrong.
it is because he borrow 80m and only spend 20m, so we assume another 60m (80m – 20m) he invest.
That is why on 1/9 the investment is 90m (30m + 60m)
hope you understand 馃檪
zoya07 says
Hi
ya thanks i got it.I haven’t read the words correctly………
noldis says
Very good example and very clear and understandable explanations. Thank you Mike
barzakh says
he so didn’t seem like the teacher in rest of the f7 lectures before this .. other lectures are interactive and more visual, here even he sounded bored 馃檪 no offense!
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