I am also sorry MikeLittle, Ya it was a bit fast and my comment was also impulsive. I should not have ignore the fact that you are providing such a precious lectures free of cost from which hundreds of people from least developing countries or those who cannot attend classes due to their busy schedule are getting the benefit from.
Sir I am currently sitting for P2 exam and I got confused with the below question given in the course notes? ” Q1.)Jurgis bought property in old town for $500,000 on 1 January, 2005. On 31 December, 2007 the property had a carrying value of $470,000 and was revalued to $800,000. The tax written down value at 31 December, 2007 was $500,000, and the tax rate is 30%.”
The Answer in course notes is “Property (800,000 – 34,000) 766,000 Deferred tax liability (300,000 @ 30%) (90,000) Revaluation surplus (330,000 – 14,000) 316,000 NB depreciation of 800 over 47 years = 17 pa The 14,000 is 2 years × the difference between new depreciation (17,000) – old depreciation (10,000) ie 2 × (17,000 – 10,000) ”
However what has been taught in the question in this lecture the treatment should have been
hi melodyamio and hassanhere, i think what i explained here below might help:
Melodyamio, no the TD in 06 is not 400 but 200. It’s temporary difference being 50 (200×25%)
Firstly, you are right that it is a DT Asset (as the CV of 2300 Tax base, this 100 is a Deferred Tax liability to be deducted when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2005: CV 2100 – Tax base (2300) = 200 x 25% = 50 but now because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2006: CV 2300 – Tax base (2500) = 200 x 25% = 50 Again, because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
So the final computation will look something like this
for some weird reason, a key part in my explanation (before i started calculating the DT figure for 2005 and 2006) have yet again been omitted. It is really freaky cos that’s the only bit that keeps getting wiped out, thereby potentially making it a little difficult to follow through my entire explanation. or could it be my computer? anyway, if you drop me your email i can send the full explanation and hopefully you will get it right this time. cheers
melodamiyo and hassanhere, i think what i have explained here might help.
help I gave on Open Tuition (IAS 12 – F7)
hi, no the TD in 06 is not 400 but 50. Firstly, you are right that it is a DT Asset (as the CV of 2300 Tax base, this 100 is a Deferred Tax liability to be deducted when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2005: CV 2100 – Tax base (2300) = 200 x 25% = 50 but now because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2006: CV 2300 – Tax base (2500) = 200 x 25% = 50 Again, because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
So the final computation will look something like this
I’ve got a question in the example 2, when calculating deferred tax, I think the temporary difference in 06 is 400 and the deferred tax asset is 100, but the number shown in the video clip is 50, how can this be? thx.
hi, no the TD in 06 is not 400 but 50. Firstly, you are right that it is a DT Asset (as the CV of 2300 Tax base, this 100 is a Deferred Tax liability to be deducted when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2005: CV 2100 – Tax base (2300) = 200 x 25% = 50 but now because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2006: CV 2300 – Tax base (2500) = 200 x 25% = 50 Again, because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
So the final computation will look something like this
I THINK MY COMPUTER OMITTED SOME VITAL PART OF MY EXPLANATION, PLEASE SEE BELOW FOR REVISED. IT SHOULD MAKE MORE SENSE NOW. SORRY FOR ABOVE POST.
hi, no the TD in 06 is not 400 but 200. It’s temporary difference being 50 (200×25%)
Firstly, you are right that it is a DT Asset (as the CV of 2300 Tax base, this 100 is a Deferred Tax liability to be deducted when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2005: CV 2100 – Tax base (2300) = 200 x 25% = 50 but now because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2006: CV 2300 – Tax base (2500) = 200 x 25% = 50 Again, because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
So the final computation will look something like this
hi all -the 100 is the figure for 2004 (400 temporary diff times 25%) – you have to bring it down to 50 (which is 200 temp diff times 25%) in 2005 thus you release 50 only. and then in 2006 you have to bring the 50 of 2005 idown to 0 ( 0 temp diff of 2006 times 25%) hope i make sense – took me 2 days to figure out fatema
I have a question, when we were calculating the deferred tax, for first year it was $100, for the second year you said “reduced liability of $50”, when you said reduced liability you mean as compared to the $100, but it is still a deferred tax liability, it is not a reduction of liability because we did ignore it at the end, we only released the liability of the $100, I am not sure why. I am also confused about the way we released the $100 liability, why did we release it over two years? Is there a rule or something, or is it left to our choice, why not release the full $100 in next year in one go and that’s it. I am not sure based on what!
The Asset has a life of only 3 years as per ques… In the first year the full Cap allowance has been applied and that leaves us with only 2 year balance.. so we need to divide the deferred tax Liability over the next 2 years in order for it to get realised … Hope this make more sense now….
Thank you for the lecture. I have a question from Ex. 2. After releasing the deferred tax liability of 100 in 2005 2006 with 50, 50, what happens to the deferred tax liability of 50 which was in 2005?
Ref. IAS 12 INCOME TAXES, EXAMPLE 2 — Up to the point of DT, everything is totally clear for me. I’m just wondering:
1-Why is Tax Value = 0? (Only guess is because 100% tax all’nce was claimed and so asset written down to 0?) 2-Could an amount of DT other than 50 be released in later years 05, 06 etc? In other words, why 50 specifically?
Hi, first i noticed you posted this before the June exam and you may well have cleared the paper. But just for others are yet to sit for the exam like myself I will give my opinion.
I’m presuming that what you are referring to is the Deferred Tax liability value of zero given at the end of 2006, right?
If so, we have established that the DT for 2004 is 100, DT asset in 2005 of 50 and another DT asset in 2006 of 50.
Since asset life is only 3 years as per Q, the DT assets of 50 in both 2005 and 2006 would have netted off completely the DT liab of 100 that’s in the first year.
So in 2004, DT will remain as 100, then in 2005, the Deferred Tax liability will be reduced to 50 (since there is a DT ASset of 50), which is why I think Mr Moffat put DT out as 50 in 2005 and by the final year 2006, there will no longer be any DT liability since the remaining, hence the reason he recorded it as 0
Thx Manona for your explanation. But you will notice that when the lecturer was computing the DT, he used the carrying value of the asset which was 400, 200, 0, comparing it with the tax value of 0,0,0, thus bringing about the TD of 400,200,0. These give rise to the DT liability of 100 (25% of 400), 50 (25% of 200) and 0 in 2006. According to his explanation, he said that out of 100 of 2004, 50 was released in 2005 and another 50 in 2006. My concern still remains, what is the fate of the DT liability of 2005?
Not very well explained.. didn’t understand the Lecture. Plz update it with new one.. Although all other lectures are best then ever.. but not this one.
my question is the same as the others (ryanpieblock and Monic)….after the 100 has been released in 05 and 06 , what happens to the 50 that was calculated as 25% of the 200 in 2005??? Please explain. Thanks.
I have tried to read and even follow the lecture many times, but up to now I don’t get it. Deferred tax of $100 in Yr 1, then release $50 in Yr 2, implying there is a balance of $50 which is presumably released in Yr 3. What happens to the $50 which was for Yr 2?
Very quick overview of taxes – hard to follow and understand the topic. I guess I will have to look at F6 course notes to review this topic once again 🙂
ryanpieblock let me explain what I understand from the tutor & the logic too. the 100 deffred tax was crated due to the tax allowance for the year 2X4 this 100 deffred tax is an asset for Andris but for the year 2X5 and 2X6 cretd a liablity of 50 each then this 100 off split the 50 for the year 2X5 and the remaining for the year 2X6
i understand what u say up to “a liability of 50 each”. After that i’m lost. If u cud explain the last part in another way i wud appreciate it very much , thanks.
hello sir if we release 50 out of the 100 deferred tax liability in 05 and then another 50 in 06. what happen to the deferred tax liability of 50 25% of 200 in 05??? when do we release it???
Asheem says
lecturer is very boring. I must confess that I feel like he is running fast on his own. sir, can u help us with better video lecture?
MikeLittle says
Sorry – but it’s as excited as I can get about deferred tax 🙁
Asheem says
I am also sorry MikeLittle, Ya it was a bit fast and my comment was also impulsive. I should not have ignore the fact that you are providing such a precious lectures free of cost from which hundreds of people from least developing countries or those who cannot attend classes due to their busy schedule are getting the benefit from.
hats off to your work.
God bless you
Asheem
MikeLittle says
Don’t worry about it!
I’ll survive 🙂
tejot says
Sir I am currently sitting for P2 exam and I got confused with the below question given in the course notes?
”
Q1.)Jurgis bought property in old town for $500,000 on 1 January, 2005. On 31 December, 2007 the property had a carrying value of $470,000 and was revalued to $800,000. The tax written down value at 31 December, 2007 was $500,000, and the tax rate is 30%.”
The Answer in course notes is
“Property (800,000 – 34,000) 766,000
Deferred tax liability (300,000 @ 30%) (90,000)
Revaluation surplus (330,000 – 14,000) 316,000
NB depreciation of 800 over 47 years = 17 pa
The 14,000 is 2 years × the difference between new depreciation (17,000) – old depreciation (10,000) ie 2 × (17,000 – 10,000) ”
However what has been taught in the question in this lecture the treatment should have been
Dr.Revaluation Reserve 90,000
Cr. Deferred Tax Liability 90,000
thereby the ending balance in Revaluation reserve (330,000 – 90,000)=240,000 Cr.
Please help me understand which treatment is coherent with the latest standards.
Thank you
narek01 says
Hi my friends, unfortunately I could not understand Example 2 deferred tax computation. Please explain again with more details.
fahim231 says
I am so confused!
nabila5690 says
Hi,
I have a small query regarding example 2.
I understand how we arrive at the deferred tax calculation and that the 100 000 has to be released.
However I am struggling to understand why the 100 000 is released in amounts of 50 000 each year?
Also what happens to the deferred tax of 50 000 from 2005?
Help will be much appreciated.
Thanks
manonaseriousmission says
hi melodyamio and hassanhere, i think what i explained here below might help:
Melodyamio, no the TD in 06 is not 400 but 200. It’s temporary difference being 50 (200×25%)
Firstly, you are right that it is a DT Asset (as the CV of 2300 Tax base, this 100 is a Deferred Tax liability to be deducted when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2005:
CV 2100 – Tax base (2300) = 200 x 25% = 50
but now because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2006:
CV 2300 – Tax base (2500) = 200 x 25% = 50
Again, because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
So the final computation will look something like this
2004 2005 2006
PBT (after taking out deprcn) 1600 2100 2300
LESS: Income Tax
– CT (300) (575) (675)
– DT (100) 50 50
PAT 1200 1575 1675
Hope this helps mate
All the best
manonaseriousmission says
for some weird reason, a key part in my explanation (before i started calculating the DT figure for 2005 and 2006) have yet again been omitted. It is really freaky cos that’s the only bit that keeps getting wiped out, thereby potentially making it a little difficult to follow through my entire explanation. or could it be my computer?
anyway, if you drop me your email i can send the full explanation and hopefully you will get it right this time.
cheers
manonaseriousmission says
melodamiyo and hassanhere, i think what i have explained here might help.
help I gave on Open Tuition (IAS 12 – F7)
hi, no the TD in 06 is not 400 but 50.
Firstly, you are right that it is a DT Asset (as the CV of 2300 Tax base, this 100 is a Deferred Tax liability to be deducted when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2005:
CV 2100 – Tax base (2300) = 200 x 25% = 50
but now because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2006:
CV 2300 – Tax base (2500) = 200 x 25% = 50
Again, because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
So the final computation will look something like this
2004 2005 2006
PBT (after taking out deprcn) 1600 2100 2300
LESS: Income Tax
– CT (300) (575) (675)
– DT (100) 50 50
PAT 1200 1575 1675
Hope this helps mate
All the best
maat9 says
hello sir . IAS 36 is existed in f7 lecturesss why???
melodymiao says
I’ve got a question in the example 2, when calculating deferred tax, I think the temporary difference in 06 is 400 and the deferred tax asset is 100, but the number shown in the video clip is 50, how can this be? thx.
hassanhere says
Did anyone figure out? :/
manonaseriousmission says
hi, no the TD in 06 is not 400 but 50.
Firstly, you are right that it is a DT Asset (as the CV of 2300 Tax base, this 100 is a Deferred Tax liability to be deducted when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2005:
CV 2100 – Tax base (2300) = 200 x 25% = 50
but now because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2006:
CV 2300 – Tax base (2500) = 200 x 25% = 50
Again, because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
So the final computation will look something like this
2004 2005 2006
PBT (after taking out deprcn) 1600 2100 2300
LESS: Income Tax
– CT (300) (575) (675)
– DT (100) 50 50
PAT 1200 1575 1675
Hope this helps mate
All the best
manonaseriousmission says
quick correction on my first paragraph, i meant that the TD in 06 is (still) not 400 but 200, it is the TD I meant to put as 50 (i.e. 200×25%)
Every other point remains valid..i hope 🙂
manonaseriousmission says
I THINK MY COMPUTER OMITTED SOME VITAL PART OF MY EXPLANATION, PLEASE SEE BELOW FOR REVISED. IT SHOULD MAKE MORE SENSE NOW. SORRY FOR ABOVE POST.
hi, no the TD in 06 is not 400 but 200. It’s temporary difference being 50 (200×25%)
Firstly, you are right that it is a DT Asset (as the CV of 2300 Tax base, this 100 is a Deferred Tax liability to be deducted when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2005:
CV 2100 – Tax base (2300) = 200 x 25% = 50
but now because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
2006:
CV 2300 – Tax base (2500) = 200 x 25% = 50
Again, because CV < Tax base, this 50 is a Deferred Tax Asset to be added when calculating the total income tax in Profit & Loss
So the final computation will look something like this
2004 2005 2006
PBT (after taking out deprcn) 1600 2100 2300
LESS: Income Tax
– CT (300) (575) (675)
– DT (100) 50 50
PAT 1200 1575 1675
Hope this helps mate
All the best
jivanjee says
hi all -the 100 is the figure for 2004 (400 temporary diff times 25%) – you have to bring it down to 50 (which is 200 temp diff times 25%) in 2005 thus you release 50 only. and then in 2006 you have to bring the 50 of 2005 idown to 0 ( 0 temp diff of 2006 times 25%)
hope i make sense – took me 2 days to figure out
fatema
Mahoysam says
Hi Mr Mike! 🙂
I really find this tax topic is a pain!!
I have a question, when we were calculating the deferred tax, for first year it was $100, for the second year you said “reduced liability of $50”, when you said reduced liability you mean as compared to the $100, but it is still a deferred tax liability, it is not a reduction of liability because we did ignore it at the end, we only released the liability of the $100, I am not sure why. I am also confused about the way we released the $100 liability, why did we release it over two years? Is there a rule or something, or is it left to our choice, why not release the full $100 in next year in one go and that’s it. I am not sure based on what!
I hope this topic does not come in the exam!
Thanks a lot!
Maha
Mahoysam says
Also, since we are releasing $50 in year 05, does that mean that the current tax figure includes this $50? I am really confused!
yan says
I hope the same thing
tejot says
I have the same query. Did you guys figure out an answer?
shyamkumar says
The Asset has a life of only 3 years as per ques… In the first year the full Cap allowance has been applied and that leaves us with only 2 year balance.. so we need to divide the deferred tax Liability over the next 2 years in order for it to get realised … Hope this make more sense now….
didkata says
Not happy with the explanation
Monic says
Thank you for the lecture. I have a question from Ex. 2. After releasing the deferred tax liability of 100 in 2005 2006 with 50, 50, what happens to the deferred tax liability of 50 which was in 2005?
nari says
hello monic, did u figure it out?
Monic says
Hi, let me try to analyze Jivanjee’s explanation of Oct. 22nd and see if I figure it out, but Income tax & deferred tax are giving me hard time.
crye says
Thanks.
Ref. IAS 12 INCOME TAXES, EXAMPLE 2 — Up to the point of DT, everything is totally clear for me. I’m just wondering:
1-Why is Tax Value = 0? (Only guess is because 100% tax all’nce was claimed and so asset written down to 0?)
2-Could an amount of DT other than 50 be released in later years 05, 06 etc? In other words, why 50 specifically?
Thanks!
Shivam says
Just a quick question relating to Example two. Just a bit confused as to why the tax value is 0?
Thanks!
manonaseriousmission says
Hi, first i noticed you posted this before the June exam and you may well have cleared the paper. But just for others are yet to sit for the exam like myself I will give my opinion.
I’m presuming that what you are referring to is the Deferred Tax liability value of zero given at the end of 2006, right?
If so, we have established that the DT for 2004 is 100, DT asset in 2005 of 50 and another DT asset in 2006 of 50.
Since asset life is only 3 years as per Q, the DT assets of 50 in both 2005 and 2006 would have netted off completely the DT liab of 100 that’s in the first year.
So in 2004, DT will remain as 100,
then in 2005, the Deferred Tax liability will be reduced to 50 (since there is a DT ASset of 50), which is why I think Mr Moffat put DT out as 50 in 2005
and by the final year 2006, there will no longer be any DT liability since the remaining, hence the reason he recorded it as 0
Monic says
Thx Manona for your explanation.
But you will notice that when the lecturer was computing the DT, he used the carrying value of the asset which was 400, 200, 0, comparing it with the tax value of 0,0,0, thus bringing about the TD of 400,200,0. These give rise to the DT liability of 100 (25% of 400), 50 (25% of 200) and 0 in 2006.
According to his explanation, he said that out of 100 of 2004, 50 was released in 2005 and another 50 in 2006. My concern still remains, what is the fate of the DT liability of 2005?
halarbijarani says
Not very well explained.. didn’t understand the Lecture. Plz update it with new one.. Although all other lectures are best then ever.. but not this one.
admin says
Read this chapter in the course notes
Maybe this will help
halarbijarani says
@admin, Yup .. thats the only option 🙂 Thanks btw.
nari says
my question is the same as the others (ryanpieblock and Monic)….after the 100 has been released in 05 and 06 , what happens to the 50 that was calculated as 25% of the 200 in 2005??? Please explain. Thanks.
Monic says
I have tried to read and even follow the lecture many times, but up to now I don’t get it. Deferred tax of $100 in Yr 1, then release $50 in Yr 2, implying there is a balance of $50 which is presumably released in Yr 3. What happens to the $50 which was for Yr 2?
noldis says
Very quick overview of taxes – hard to follow and understand the topic. I guess I will have to look at F6 course notes to review this topic once again 🙂
abesha says
ryanpieblock let me explain what I understand from the tutor & the logic too. the 100 deffred tax was crated due to the tax allowance for the year 2X4 this 100 deffred tax is an asset for Andris but for the year 2X5 and 2X6 cretd a liablity of 50 each then this 100 off split the 50 for the year 2X5 and the remaining for the year 2X6
nari says
i understand what u say up to “a liability of 50 each”. After that i’m lost. If u cud explain the last part in another way i wud appreciate it very much , thanks.
ryanpieblock says
hello sir if we release 50 out of the 100 deferred tax liability in 05 and then another 50 in 06. what happen to the deferred tax liability of 50 25% of 200 in 05??? when do we release it???
marjorie1 says
Hey all,
Trust F7 tutor is helping u as must as he’s helping me revise for the grand day. June 13th.