Please be specific – do I not refer to the examples as I’m lecturing?
I think that it’s most unlikely that the video lecture is not aligned with the course notes
May I ask you to check again? It could be that I’m making an example up off the top of my head in preparation to tackling an example from the course notes
Just play the video for a few more minutes – you should find that the notes and lectures line up again
for example the start of this video you refer to working 3 and “per the question! lookin at the course notes i am not sure which question you refer to.
… I always start working W3 Consolidated Retained Earnings with the line “per question” and put in the two columns in working W3 the two retained earnings figures from the question
Watch the video again, make a note of the two earnings figures for the two entities and then briefly look again at the course notes.
It may take you all of 1 minute to flip through the course notes questions to find the appropriate question
If not, post again with the two earnings figures that I have written on the screen in the video and I shall look for them
I am struggling with not consolidating pre-acquisition retained earnings. My thinking is: since you own 100% of the shares of the company, then everything it owns is now yours – including its pre-acquisition retained earnings.
I also think of it this way: who does retained earnings belong to? – Current shareholders, right? If that is the case, then all of the retained earnings should be consolidated.
1 The concept of consolidation is to reflect “Control” and the pre-acquisition earnings were not achieved whilst the new subsidiary was under the control of the parent. Therefore to consolidate those pre-acquisition retained earnings would give a totally misleading picture to our own shareholders and other stakeholders
2 We don’t consolidate the acquisition cost of buying the subsidiary do we? The cost of acquisition is represented by our share of the fair value of the subsidiary assets acquired.
But we don’t know the individual values of those subsidiary net assets.
What we DO know is the shareholders’ funds = net assets and we also know that shareholders’ funds comprise share capital and reserves
The balancing figure between the cost of the investment and fair value of the subsidiary net assets at the date of acquisition is called goodwill
So, if we pay $100 and acquire $90 worth of net assets (capital plus reserves) then we have $10 goodwill
But we’re not going to show $100 in the consolidation and we’re not going to show $90 capital and reserves in the consolidation
That means that we’re missing off $100 debits and $90 credits.
We need this to balance so we SHALL include the $10 goodwill debit
Mike I took F7 along with F8 and sort of neglected it and concentrated mainly on F8….it didnt help that my lectures were delivered by a fella from LSBF deeply in love with mentioning his own name…and to put it mildly I found the whole experience off-putting. To say that you have been a god send, would be a massive understatement!
P.s. Got as close as 47% last time round……not trying to put any pressure on you or anything, but anything under 56% this time around, will not only affect my average but will make me question as to what else could one need more than your lectures!!! 馃檪
Essentially, this is a very long winded way of saying thank you! 馃檪
Hi Sir, I have a question What if a company has more than 50% of the share in the subsidiary company but it doesn’t have the control of the subsidiary as you mention there are some exception so in that situation will the holding company has to prepare the group account? I guess the holding company shouldn’t prepare as they don’t have the power to control but if they don’t prepare the group account will it not be misleading for the investors?
To qualify as a subsidiary, a company has to be under the control of the parent. On the face of it, a holding of the majority of the voting power in another company suggests that the investor has a subsidiary.
But if, for whatever reason, the investor is not able to exercise that voting control, then the invested company (the supposed subsidiary) cannot be treated as a subsidiary and will therefore not be included within any consolidation
In fact, if this is the only investment held by the “parent”, then no consolidation would be appropriate.
You mention about misleading the parent’s own shareholders. That problem can be easily avoided simply by full and frank disclosure in the parent’s own financial statements.
Dear Sir, i enjoy the lectures very well but in the introduction 2,i need more explanation on the pre acquisition and the post acquisition figures. please reply me
I think that you’ll find that they become clearer as you work through the examples in the course notes. If not, and if you’re still struggling with them, then post again
hemraj123 says
Dear Sir,
In the notes (PG-27), it mentions that the investment is measured either at cost or according to IFRS 5 if held for sale – under IFRS 3
But under IAS 27, the investment is valued either at cost, IFRS 9 or IFRS 5 if held for sale. Same is mentioned in IFRS 10.
Which one would be right?
zaf1987 says
Hi i have downloaded the lecture notes, however they dont seem to follow what you are referring to in the lecrure
MikeLittle says
Please be specific – do I not refer to the examples as I’m lecturing?
I think that it’s most unlikely that the video lecture is not aligned with the course notes
May I ask you to check again? It could be that I’m making an example up off the top of my head in preparation to tackling an example from the course notes
Just play the video for a few more minutes – you should find that the notes and lectures line up again
zaf1987 says
for example the start of this video you refer to working 3 and “per the question! lookin at the course notes i am not sure which question you refer to.
MikeLittle says
Ok, here’s an easy way to find out …
… I always start working W3 Consolidated Retained Earnings with the line “per question” and put in the two columns in working W3 the two retained earnings figures from the question
Watch the video again, make a note of the two earnings figures for the two entities and then briefly look again at the course notes.
It may take you all of 1 minute to flip through the course notes questions to find the appropriate question
If not, post again with the two earnings figures that I have written on the screen in the video and I shall look for them
kiranv1 says
Hi John
If I have a 50% control in a company is that an Associate? As I will be in the 20%<(and equal to) 50% bracket
MikeLittle says
It’s Mike, not John
50%? It’s an associate – we don’t have control but we do have a significant influence
abduh says
Great lecture
nanaakua1 says
Hi Mike, the videos for this chapter keeps ending at about 4mins with the message
“Sorry There was an issue with playback”
And I can’t also find them on the youtube channel.
Can this please be resolved?
Thanks
opentuition_team says
try another browser., Lecture works fine
its possible your internet connection is to blame
Julie says
Thank you. Another very good lecture – much appreciated!
tobi123 says
Hi MikeLIttle
I am struggling with not consolidating pre-acquisition retained earnings. My thinking is: since you own 100% of the shares of the company, then everything it owns is now yours – including its pre-acquisition retained earnings.
I also think of it this way: who does retained earnings belong to? – Current shareholders, right? If that is the case, then all of the retained earnings should be consolidated.
Help me out, please…
MikeLittle says
Two directions to attack this question!
1 The concept of consolidation is to reflect “Control” and the pre-acquisition earnings were not achieved whilst the new subsidiary was under the control of the parent. Therefore to consolidate those pre-acquisition retained earnings would give a totally misleading picture to our own shareholders and other stakeholders
2 We don’t consolidate the acquisition cost of buying the subsidiary do we? The cost of acquisition is represented by our share of the fair value of the subsidiary assets acquired.
But we don’t know the individual values of those subsidiary net assets.
What we DO know is the shareholders’ funds = net assets and we also know that shareholders’ funds comprise share capital and reserves
The balancing figure between the cost of the investment and fair value of the subsidiary net assets at the date of acquisition is called goodwill
So, if we pay $100 and acquire $90 worth of net assets (capital plus reserves) then we have $10 goodwill
But we’re not going to show $100 in the consolidation and we’re not going to show $90 capital and reserves in the consolidation
That means that we’re missing off $100 debits and $90 credits.
We need this to balance so we SHALL include the $10 goodwill debit
Does that make it any clearer?
mmarava says
Very clear
williette says
GREAT LECTURE
nishakumarithapa says
can we download lectures/vedio
MikeLittle says
No, sorry, videos are not downloadable.
It’s the only way we can keep this site free
nishakumarithapa says
thanks
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome
Emilian says
Mike I took F7 along with F8 and sort of neglected it and concentrated mainly on F8….it didnt help that my lectures were delivered by a fella from LSBF deeply in love with mentioning his own name…and to put it mildly I found the whole experience off-putting. To say that you have been a god send, would be a massive understatement!
P.s. Got as close as 47% last time round……not trying to put any pressure on you or anything, but anything under 56% this time around, will not only affect my average but will make me question as to what else could one need more than your lectures!!! 馃檪
Essentially, this is a very long winded way of saying thank you! 馃檪
Kindest regards
Emilian
MikeLittle says
Hi Emilian
Thank you for that – but I’m not sure about something. Does this mean that you have now passed with 56% or are you going for F7 in December?
Emilian says
December session! 56% is the absolute minimum that I expect from you Mike. I will of course do my bit too! 馃檪
Kind regards
Emilian
MikeLittle says
So, no pressure then!
imaikop says
Just assessed your resources for the first time. Am happy by what have read. would be regular in the forum and would spread the massage. well done.
adarsh says
Hi Sir,
I have a question
What if a company has more than 50% of the share in the subsidiary company but it doesn’t have the control of the subsidiary as you mention there are some exception so in that situation will the holding company has to prepare the group account?
I guess the holding company shouldn’t prepare as they don’t have the power to control but if they don’t prepare the group account will it not be misleading for the investors?
MikeLittle says
To qualify as a subsidiary, a company has to be under the control of the parent. On the face of it, a holding of the majority of the voting power in another company suggests that the investor has a subsidiary.
But if, for whatever reason, the investor is not able to exercise that voting control, then the invested company (the supposed subsidiary) cannot be treated as a subsidiary and will therefore not be included within any consolidation
In fact, if this is the only investment held by the “parent”, then no consolidation would be appropriate.
You mention about misleading the parent’s own shareholders. That problem can be easily avoided simply by full and frank disclosure in the parent’s own financial statements.
Ok?
adarsh says
Thanks mike I get it 馃檪
mohammed says
Dear Sir, i enjoy the lectures very well but in the introduction 2,i need more explanation on the pre acquisition and the post acquisition figures.
please reply me
Best Regards.
MikeLittle says
I think that you’ll find that they become clearer as you work through the examples in the course notes. If not, and if you’re still struggling with them, then post again
Yuting says
Dear Sir/Madam ,
I cant watch those videos, are you updating these videos on YouTube this year ? Cause I can’t watch YouTube neither.
Thank you.
opentuition_team says
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