Thanks for pointing that out – it seems that it’s the only place where the wrong answer is shown … if you had selected a wrong choice, the correct solution is explained on the answer page indicating where you had gone wrong
Because (if you had listened to the recorded lectures and / or read the course notes) the way that I deal with pups that arise from transaction involving an associate is to deduct the full pup from the associate’s retained earnings and then bring into the consolidation only the group’s share of those reduced associate earnings thereby eliminating only the group’s share of the pup
The effective double entry is to reduce consolidated retained earnings and reduce also the investment in the associate
But all that is made perfectly clear in the course notes and in the lectures!
Hi Sir,I don’t see the difference between question and the rest of the questions as the question is asking what will be the value of the investment in the consolidated statement. Why the question 1 is 0 and others we compute the number as shown in the video ?
In question 5, why not remove the PUP from the profit after tax and take our share of the rest and add it to the initial investment ? as the good are still in his invetory fully.
Not the way I do it! By reducing the associate’s retained earnings by the full amount of the pup before taking our share into consolidated retained earnings, we automatically eliminate out 35% share of the pup because we only consolidate our share of the associate’s retained earnings
Dr Reduce our Share of Associate’s retained earnings Cr Investment in Associate
I had: Shares 50,000 x 1,5 = 75,000 Payment 377,914/1,08^3 = 300,000 Post acq ret ears: I deducted the PUP from the PBT 105,000 – 20%x20,000 = 101,000 Then I calculated the implicit tax rate (105-84)/105 = 20% Next I calculated the PAT: 101,000 x (1-20%) = 80,800
myacca1990 says
So the accounting treatment is what we do with associates .Why in the question you are using the word “subsidiary” ?
MikeLittle says
Which question? And are you Tahir or are you myacca1990?
tkurilova says
Question 5 seems to have the answer from Q4 at the bottom
MikeLittle says
Thanks for pointing that out – it seems that it’s the only place where the wrong answer is shown … if you had selected a wrong choice, the correct solution is explained on the answer page indicating where you had gone wrong
OK?
snehadavis says
sir,in the 5th qn (pup adj) …associate is the seller then why the pup is taken in the “investment in associate”
MikeLittle says
Because (if you had listened to the recorded lectures and / or read the course notes) the way that I deal with pups that arise from transaction involving an associate is to deduct the full pup from the associate’s retained earnings and then bring into the consolidation only the group’s share of those reduced associate earnings thereby eliminating only the group’s share of the pup
The effective double entry is to reduce consolidated retained earnings and reduce also the investment in the associate
But all that is made perfectly clear in the course notes and in the lectures!
OK?
zaheer10111 says
Sir I cant find video lacture on Associate consolidation will you please help from where I can find lectures on Associate consolidation?
MikeLittle says
If it’s not on the site, it doesn’t exist
What’s this post doing on the practice questions recent comments? It surely belongs on the Ask ACCA Tutor forum
dlobecam1 says
Hi Sir,I don’t see the difference between question and the rest of the questions as the question is asking what will be the value of the investment in the consolidated statement. Why the question 1 is 0 and others we compute the number as shown in the video ?
In question 5, why not remove the PUP from the profit after tax and take our share of the rest and add it to the initial investment ? as the good are still in his invetory fully.
Thanks.
Daniel.
MikeLittle says
Question 1 – the investment is the ONLY investment of Filiatra – so there are no subsidiaries and therefore no consolidation
Question 5 – 4/12 of the associate’s profit (time apportionment) = $28,000
Deduct from that the FULL pup of $4,000 leaving $24,000 adjusted post-acquisition retained profits
Taking 35% of that $24,000 gives us our share of this year’s associate, time apportioned, adjusted, profit after tax and that figure is $8,400
Does that explain it for you?
Yang says
Dear sir, in Q5 I think in the consolidated level, the pup should be eliminated with the parent inventory, but not the investment is it right?
MikeLittle says
Not the way I do it! By reducing the associate’s retained earnings by the full amount of the pup before taking our share into consolidated retained earnings, we automatically eliminate out 35% share of the pup because we only consolidate our share of the associate’s retained earnings
Dr Reduce our Share of Associate’s retained earnings Cr Investment in Associate
MikeLittle says
Edmundo – two points!
1) Why not put your question on a separate post rather than tack it on to the thread relating to a completely different question?
And
2) Why not put your question onto the Ask ACCA Tutor forum?
In future, that would be the preferred route because I rarely look at “recent posts”
In fact, for the benefit of all, please repost your question on Ask ACCA Tutor for F7 and I’ll get back to you today!
Ioannis says
q1
ears *500-475)*0,4=10
inv in assoc:850+10=860
what am i doing wrong?
MikeLittle says
The question asks you for the figure in the consolidated financial statements
The investment in Kyparissia is the only investment held by Filiatra ……… so no consolidation because there are no subsidiaries
chiau says
I also could not get the answer in nr 5
I had:
Shares 50,000 x 1,5 = 75,000
Payment 377,914/1,08^3 = 300,000
Post acq ret ears: I deducted the PUP from the PBT 105,000 – 20%x20,000 = 101,000
Then I calculated the implicit tax rate (105-84)/105 = 20%
Next I calculated the PAT: 101,000 x (1-20%) = 80,800
Then time apportined: 80,800/12x4x35%= 9,427
Total: 384,426
chiau says
Good Day Mr Mike,
In Question nr 4 my answer is 1,031,127 which does not show in the options.
A follows
Shares: 300,000 x 2,5 = 750,000
Payment: 330,000 / 1,1^2 = 272,727
Post Acq ret Ears: 84,000/12 x 4 x 30% = 8,400
Total: 1,031,127
bainun says
yup…that is the same answer that i got…