I didnt got the treatment of preference shares a bit.. I calculated the value for interest and closing liability via amortised cost method correctly.. But what im not getting is that in statement of changes in equity the equity dividend is deducted from retained earnings but why preference dividend os not deducted? Rather it is not accounted for in any of three statements.. Kindly help please 馃檪
Why is Preference dividend paid was added to Finance Cost in Statement of Comprehensive Income instead same treatment as Equity dividend paid that was deducted from Retained Earnings in Statement of Changes in Equity? Is there difference treatment on Redeemable Preference Shares Dividend and Non-Redeemable Preference Shares Dividend? I understand Preference Shares has many types, ie. Redeemable and Non-Redeemable Cumulative and Non-cumulative Participating and Non-Participating Convertible and Non-convertible
Any difference on accounting treatmment on above dividend paid? Thank you
@annz2020 preference dividend is not added to finance cost nor it can be.. The value of interest found through amortozed cost method is added to finace cost.. It goes like this..
20000x(8%x6/12)=800 -> payment
20000x(12%x6/12)=1200 -> interest figure via effective rate
20000+1200-800=20400 -> this ll go as closing liability in NCL.. It is grossed up by 6/12 coz 6 months r there..
why is the loss on revaluation of 4500 taken out from both the p + l and the reval reserve? i thought it would have been cr to the property and dr to the reval reserve
It isn’t! You are correct in that it is debited to revaluation reserve and credited to TNCA
What’s the retained earnings figure for the year? Is it 22,700 ie BEFORE the other comprehensive income revaluation figure or is it 18,000 ie the amount AFTER the other comprehensive income revaluation
Well, look in the Statement of Changes in Equity and there you’ll see that the retained earnings for the year is the figure from the foot of the Statement of Income BEFORE we get to the Statement of Comprehensive Income.
So, in Statement of Changes we see 22,700 from which is deducted the 4,500 revaluation deficit AND ….
….in Statement of Comprehensive we see 4,500 being deducted from that 22,700.
The figures in Comprehensive Income are replicated in the Statement of Changes – they are NOT part of the calculation of retained earnings for the year
@MikeLittle You are good in adding numbers and I think that saves a lot of time. I always find myself getting a calculator to add even a simple calculation and given the pace of the exam, it could take unnecessary time. How do you do it? I happen to have all the confidence in a calculator than I would do it for myself. Thank you for this great lecture.
I think I should master the routine workings to avoid too much thinking in the exam.
At the end of the course notes, I seem to remember a section on “Mini Exercises”, probably mini exercises 6 ( but I’m not sure ) where there are 5 or 6 calculation questions concerning share for share exchanges.
Try to do some of those and, if you’re still struggling, post again.
The double entry – because it is invariably the case that the share element of the cost of acquisition has not been recorded in “the above figures” – is likely to be:
Dr Cost of Acquisition Account with the number of shares issued * their fair market value ( will be given in a question )
Cr Share Capital Account with the number of shares issued * their nominal value per share, and
Cr Share Premium Account with the number of shares issued * the difference between fair market value per share less nominal value per share
Tamoor says
I didnt got the treatment of preference shares a bit.. I calculated the value for interest and closing liability via amortised cost method correctly.. But what im not getting is that in statement of changes in equity the equity dividend is deducted from retained earnings but why preference dividend os not deducted? Rather it is not accounted for in any of three statements.. Kindly help please 馃檪
annz2020 says
Why is Preference dividend paid was added to Finance Cost in Statement of Comprehensive Income instead same treatment as Equity dividend paid that was deducted from Retained Earnings in Statement of Changes in Equity? Is there difference treatment on Redeemable Preference Shares Dividend and Non-Redeemable Preference Shares Dividend?
I understand Preference Shares has many types, ie.
Redeemable and Non-Redeemable
Cumulative and Non-cumulative
Participating and Non-Participating
Convertible and Non-convertible
Any difference on accounting treatmment on above dividend paid?
Thank you
Tamoor says
Im also confused that why it is not accounted for.
Tamoor says
@annz2020 preference dividend is not added to finance cost nor it can be.. The value of interest found through amortozed cost method is added to finace cost.. It goes like this..
20000x(8%x6/12)=800 -> payment
20000x(12%x6/12)=1200 -> interest figure via effective rate
20000+1200-800=20400 -> this ll go as closing liability in NCL.. It is grossed up by 6/12 coz 6 months r there..
i hope i got it 馃檪
nari says
why is the loss on revaluation of 4500 taken out from both the p + l and the reval reserve? i thought it would have been cr to the property and dr to the reval reserve
MikeLittle says
It isn’t! You are correct in that it is debited to revaluation reserve and credited to TNCA
What’s the retained earnings figure for the year? Is it 22,700 ie BEFORE the other comprehensive income revaluation figure or is it 18,000 ie the amount AFTER the other comprehensive income revaluation
Well, look in the Statement of Changes in Equity and there you’ll see that the retained earnings for the year is the figure from the foot of the Statement of Income BEFORE we get to the Statement of Comprehensive Income.
So, in Statement of Changes we see 22,700 from which is deducted the 4,500 revaluation deficit AND ….
….in Statement of Comprehensive we see 4,500 being deducted from that 22,700.
The figures in Comprehensive Income are replicated in the Statement of Changes – they are NOT part of the calculation of retained earnings for the year
OK?
nari says
meant oci , not p+l.
nari says
thanks again mike!
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome
tauraiversatile says
@MikeLittle You are good in adding numbers and I think that saves a lot of time. I always find myself getting a calculator to add even a simple calculation and given the pace of the exam, it could take unnecessary time. How do you do it? I happen to have all the confidence in a calculator than I would do it for myself. Thank you for this great lecture.
I think I should master the routine workings to avoid too much thinking in the exam.
馃檪
MikeLittle says
Mental arithmetic is just practice – and, in addition, you’ll find that most of it is simply the application of the two-times table!
MikeLittle says
At the end of the course notes, I seem to remember a section on “Mini Exercises”, probably mini exercises 6 ( but I’m not sure ) where there are 5 or 6 calculation questions concerning share for share exchanges.
Try to do some of those and, if you’re still struggling, post again.
The double entry – because it is invariably the case that the share element of the cost of acquisition has not been recorded in “the above figures” – is likely to be:
Dr Cost of Acquisition Account with the number of shares issued * their fair market value ( will be given in a question )
Cr Share Capital Account with the number of shares issued * their nominal value per share, and
Cr Share Premium Account with the number of shares issued * the difference between fair market value per share less nominal value per share
Better?
ladyjudge says
i cant understand the shares calculation, plus the double entry in the solution,
help please