Hello Sir, thanks for your lecture…in your first example, it was not stated that the car purchased was a new car even though it was a low emissions car, why did you use FYA, is it assumed it was a new car?
Could you please tell me the right treatment of the following example.
There is a special pool, in which there is only one car. The car is with high CO2 emissions. The original cost of the car is 5000 and it has been in the pool for 2 years. On the third year it has been sold. First year 5000* 8% =400 Second year 4600*8%= 368 Third year disposal amount of 2000 How I should treat the rest of the amount 4323-2000=2323. Can I claim it all for this year.
Assuming that the car emission > 130g/km => Special Rate band for WDA.
First year: 5000*8% = 400, remaining 4600 c/f Second year: 4600*8%=368, remaining 4232 c/f
Third year: disposed @ 2000 which is less than the original cost of 5000. SR will be 4232 – 2000 = 2232 which to more than small pool WDA claim threshold (1000), therefore, can’t be claimed in full, but @ 8% and the remaining WDA – SR c/f.
This is all assumed that there is no further other capital allowance.
Hello, Could you make me clear, why in Example 1 instead of deducting disposals amount of 3000, which is the original cost, you deducted sales proceeding of 500?
You should always deduct the proceeds not original cost. The sentence …. up to original cost of asset is deducted from the balance of unrelieved expenditure of the relevant pool means. If you had bought it for 10,000 and you sold it for 12,000 so here there proceed is 12,000 but you can deduct only up to 10,000 and you cannot go above it.
If sale price > original cost => deduct original cost.
If sale price deduct sale price.
In this way, HMRC could close the capital allowance loophole, where ‘arrangements’ are made in order to achieve the remaining residual falling into the Small Pool WDA threshold.
Thanks for the great lecture. However I am confused about the treatment of the long life asset. when the expenditure is higher than 100,000 it goes to special pool. In the illustration 3, the cost is 230,000 and it is treated as AIA of 200,000 and the rest in special pool.
Yes it goes to Special rate pool and not main pool but it does not mean that it cannot qualify for AIA. I mean it does qualify for AIA but after AIA you should not take it to main pool but instead to special rate pool.
glodan123 says
Hello Sir, thanks for your lecture…in your first example, it was not stated that the car purchased was a new car even though it was a low emissions car, why did you use FYA, is it assumed it was a new car?
ivalina20 says
Hello,
Could you please tell me the right treatment of the following example.
There is a special pool, in which there is only one car. The car is with high CO2 emissions. The original cost of the car is 5000 and it has been in the pool for 2 years. On the third year it has been sold.
First year 5000* 8% =400
Second year 4600*8%= 368
Third year disposal amount of 2000
How I should treat the rest of the amount 4323-2000=2323. Can I claim it all for this year.
Thanks
maukiq says
Assuming that the car emission > 130g/km => Special Rate band for WDA.
First year: 5000*8% = 400, remaining 4600 c/f
Second year: 4600*8%=368, remaining 4232 c/f
Third year: disposed @ 2000 which is less than the original cost of 5000.
SR will be 4232 – 2000 = 2232 which to more than small pool WDA claim threshold (1000), therefore, can’t be claimed in full, but @ 8% and the remaining WDA – SR c/f.
This is all assumed that there is no further other capital allowance.
Fahim says
Hello,
Could you make me clear, why in Example 1 instead of deducting disposals amount of 3000, which is the original cost, you deducted sales proceeding of 500?
Thank you.
faisalrahim says
You should always deduct the proceeds not original cost.
The sentence …. up to original cost of asset is deducted from the balance of unrelieved expenditure of the relevant pool means. If you had bought it for 10,000 and you sold it for 12,000 so here there proceed is 12,000 but you can deduct only up to 10,000 and you cannot go above it.
maukiq says
If sale price > original cost => deduct original cost.
If sale price deduct sale price.
In this way, HMRC could close the capital allowance loophole, where ‘arrangements’ are made in order to achieve the remaining residual falling into the Small Pool WDA threshold.
dlobecam1 says
Hi Tutor,
Thanks for the great lecture. However I am confused about the treatment of the long life asset.
when the expenditure is higher than 100,000 it goes to special pool.
In the illustration 3, the cost is 230,000 and it is treated as AIA of 200,000 and the rest in special pool.
Please re-explain the rule.
Thanks
faisalrahim says
Yes it goes to Special rate pool and not main pool but it does not mean that it cannot qualify for AIA. I mean it does qualify for AIA but after AIA you should not take it to main pool but instead to special rate pool.
maukiq says
The allocation method of AIA is that:
1) Categorise the relevant AIAs into SR pool and others.
2) Dealing with AIAs relating to SR pool FIRST, if exceeded 200k, distribute extras to SR pool.
3) Dealing with AIAs others SECOND, if 2) over 200k, automatically distribute everything into Main pool. If 2) over 200k, fill in the gaps.
So for long life asset, you know it’s SR, deal it first. as it’s 230k, over 200k, the remaining 30k goes to SR pool.