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I would like to have your opinion on below question:
What is the latest date that a public company, incorporated on 1 May 2010, could hold its second annual general meeting? A 31 October, 2011 B 31 January, 2013 C 31 December, 2012 D 30 April, 2012
As per notes: 1st meeting not more than 18 month i.e OCT 11 Second meeting will be not latest than 15 month. Which will be on JAN 2013, but answer is . Why so???
Good Day Mike, I have one question to ask? Do I need to regurgitate the facts of the case like the past answers. Or for example, can I just write ” A company is a separate legal person from the members, the company has a special legal identity…. as noted in the Saloman case” without going int the facts of the Saloman case. Thanks in advance
There are lots of Royal Charters issued by our current queen. Many of our Universities gain there Royal Charter within the last 50 years. My university, Exeter, received its Royal Charter in 1955 from Queen Elizabeth 2.
Define “lots”! If she has signed one each week since her coronation, that’s still only 3,172. I could equally say that the British Government has passed lots of statute law in the same period but I believe that you’ll find the number is way, way, way in excess of 3,172
In the context of company formations, those formed by Royal Charter are a tiny minority
@venkat768, The word “limited” in a company’s name ( as in ABC Limited ) tells us that the liability of the members of the company to contribute to a shortfall of assets in the event of an insolvent liquidation is limited. A liquidator will be appointed and may say to the members “Come on you guys, we need some extra money from you to settle the claims of the creditors”
The members of a limited company will turn round and say “Er, sorry Mister Liquidator, but we are members of ABC Limited and, as such, the extent of our liability is limited. You can ask us for any amount of money but we have NO RESPONSIBILITY / LIABILITY / OBLIGATION to pay into the insolvent company any money beyond the limit of our liability”
Now, what is the limit of a member’s liability? It is “limited to the amount, if any, as yet unpaid on shares held by them”. If the shares are already credited as fully paid, then the member has no further liability.
Very occasionally, a private company is established where the liability is limited by guarantee. In situations like this, the limit of a member’s liability is limited to the amount which that member has guaranteed to contribute to the assets in the event of an insolvent liquidation. In practice, this amount is typically 拢1 ( in the UK )
A promoter is someone who is engaged in the process of creating a company and, possibly, is never a member of the company. If you were to ask me to form a company for you, I could go ahead and do so. When it is formed, I’ll hand it over to you ( physically hand over all the books ), you will pay me and I’ll wait for the next person to ask me. In that hypothetical case, I never became a member of the company.
In practice, when I lived in the UK and clients occasionally asked me to form a company on their behalf, it was convenient for me to appoint myself as the sole member and was thus able to sign documents as the subscriber. But, when the company was formed, again I would pass over the documentation and “sell” my share to the client who had asked for the company to be formed.
So, in answer to your first question, “No, promoters and members are NOT the same people”
Now, your second question! You really have not got to grips with this company law yet, have you!
By definition, a person is a member of a company when their name appears in the register of members. In most cases, their name is registered in the register of members because they have bought shares in their own name and the persons responsible for maintaining the register up to date ( the company’s registrar ) will have been given the details of that share acquisition and are now recording it.
However, it’s a common misconception that the words “shareholders” and “members” are synonymous ….. but they’re not! I’ve already defined “member” as a person whose name appears within the register of members. A person may be a member, but not a shareholder – for example if I own shares bought in the name of a nominee, I would be a shareholder, but the nominee would be the member. A promoter may, after the company has been created ( so, after incorporation ) go on to become a member of the company; or could go on to be a shareholder ( and own shares which are registered in the name of a nominee ); or go on and have no continuing interest in the company at all; or may be appointed as a director ( she could even nominate and appoint herself as a director whilst she was in the process of promoting the company )
People who own shares are called shareholders
People whose name appears in the register of members are called members and they may or may not also be shareholders
People who are appointed to the position of director are called directors and may, or may not, also be members and / or shareholders
People who take on the job of creating companies are called promoters and may, or may not, go on to be members and / or shareholders and / or directors
@college234, It’s ( literally ) a statement of solvency! It’s prepared by the directors of a comany which is about to go into voluntary liquidation. Choices are members’ voluntary liquidation or creditors’ volunary liquidation.
For the directors / members to be able to choose the members’ voluntary liquidation route, the directors must show that the company will be able to pay its debts in full within the twelve months following the commencement f the liquidation.
For them to be able to show that, the directors must prepare a statement of solvency – ie a statement showing that the company’s assets at their realisable value exceed the company’s liabilities.
My friend have a plc. Its a small company so how can i find out what type of company is that. Is company’s owner or director have separate entity. I meant anybody can sue him or not ???
Are GSK and C & A really private unlimited companies? The estimate of 1000 was only an estimate and your examples of the Navy and Kew are still way short of the 1000 estimate!
Furthermore, I have been thinking about why one would strategically incorporate a private unlimited company (with or without shares) and the best reason I can come up with is if you wish to uphold your secrecy so as to shield your financial affairs from public knowledge also maybe to make it easier to increase commercial advantage through disintermediation. But there are some famous private unlimited companies such as UK GlaxoSmithKline and C&A
Great lecture, but contrary to what the lecturer said, there are much more than 1000 made by royalty alone and one we all know of is ACCA itself but they are loads everything from the Royal Navy to Kew Gardens.
Lamin says
A big thank u to the Open Tuition team, especially Mr John Moffat, for helping students in other remote area of the planet to have the opportunity to succeed in pursuing ACCA. I have successfully passed the F4 exams, yesterday due to your relentless support. May God Almighty guide and continues to bless Open Tuition team.
cannz says
Why is the video not working.trying from 4-5 days ..please help me out .
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jimsa says
Where is the lecture of chapter 7,8 ;(
MikeLittle says
They don’t exist – the topics are quite easily self studyable. Sorry!
avishco says
Hi Sir,
I would like to have your opinion on below question:
What is the latest date that a public company, incorporated on 1 May 2010, could hold its second annual general
meeting?
A 31 October, 2011
B 31 January, 2013
C 31 December, 2012
D 30 April, 2012
As per notes: 1st meeting not more than 18 month i.e OCT 11
Second meeting will be not latest than 15 month. Which will be on JAN 2013, but answer is . Why so???
Thank you for your usual quick response..
MikeLittle says
Because there has to be an AGM once in every calendar year and if the second meeting is held in January 2013 then there would be no meeting in 2012
Ok? Did you watch / listen to the video?
avishco says
No.. just doing these questions..
So does it mean that the 3rd AGM will be held on 31 dec 2013 instead of 31 march 2014??
MikeLittle says
Yes, once you’re at December, you stay at December (or earlier, but not later)
dencomp says
Good Day Mike,
I have one question to ask? Do I need to regurgitate the facts of the case like the past answers. Or for example, can I just write ” A company is a separate legal person from the members, the company has a special legal identity…. as noted in the Saloman case” without going int the facts of the Saloman case.
Thanks in advance
Great lectures
driftp says
There are lots of Royal Charters issued by our current queen. Many of our Universities gain there Royal Charter within the last 50 years. My university, Exeter, received its Royal Charter in 1955 from Queen Elizabeth 2.
MikeLittle says
Define “lots”! If she has signed one each week since her coronation, that’s still only 3,172. I could equally say that the British Government has passed lots of statute law in the same period but I believe that you’ll find the number is way, way, way in excess of 3,172
In the context of company formations, those formed by Royal Charter are a tiny minority
gazzi says
well said , mike 馃檪
venkat768 says
Sir Mike.
Could you tell me what does Limited by shares and Limited by guarantee mean? . With an example please.
Thanks.
MikeLittle says
@venkat768, The word “limited” in a company’s name ( as in ABC Limited ) tells us that the liability of the members of the company to contribute to a shortfall of assets in the event of an insolvent liquidation is limited. A liquidator will be appointed and may say to the members “Come on you guys, we need some extra money from you to settle the claims of the creditors”
The members of a limited company will turn round and say “Er, sorry Mister Liquidator, but we are members of ABC Limited and, as such, the extent of our liability is limited. You can ask us for any amount of money but we have NO RESPONSIBILITY / LIABILITY / OBLIGATION to pay into the insolvent company any money beyond the limit of our liability”
Now, what is the limit of a member’s liability? It is “limited to the amount, if any, as yet unpaid on shares held by them”. If the shares are already credited as fully paid, then the member has no further liability.
Very occasionally, a private company is established where the liability is limited by guarantee. In situations like this, the limit of a member’s liability is limited to the amount which that member has guaranteed to contribute to the assets in the event of an insolvent liquidation. In practice, this amount is typically 拢1 ( in the UK )
venkat768 says
@MikeLittle, Thank you.
I just wanted to confirm 1 more doubt.
“Promoter and Members” are they same?. And which of those 2 could be classified between Shareholders and Directors.
MikeLittle says
@venkat768, OH WOW!!!! NOOOOOOO!
A promoter is someone who is engaged in the process of creating a company and, possibly, is never a member of the company. If you were to ask me to form a company for you, I could go ahead and do so. When it is formed, I’ll hand it over to you ( physically hand over all the books ), you will pay me and I’ll wait for the next person to ask me. In that hypothetical case, I never became a member of the company.
In practice, when I lived in the UK and clients occasionally asked me to form a company on their behalf, it was convenient for me to appoint myself as the sole member and was thus able to sign documents as the subscriber. But, when the company was formed, again I would pass over the documentation and “sell” my share to the client who had asked for the company to be formed.
So, in answer to your first question, “No, promoters and members are NOT the same people”
Now, your second question! You really have not got to grips with this company law yet, have you!
By definition, a person is a member of a company when their name appears in the register of members. In most cases, their name is registered in the register of members because they have bought shares in their own name and the persons responsible for maintaining the register up to date ( the company’s registrar ) will have been given the details of that share acquisition and are now recording it.
However, it’s a common misconception that the words “shareholders” and “members” are synonymous ….. but they’re not! I’ve already defined “member” as a person whose name appears within the register of members. A person may be a member, but not a shareholder – for example if I own shares bought in the name of a nominee, I would be a shareholder, but the nominee would be the member. A promoter may, after the company has been created ( so, after incorporation ) go on to become a member of the company; or could go on to be a shareholder ( and own shares which are registered in the name of a nominee ); or go on and have no continuing interest in the company at all; or may be appointed as a director ( she could even nominate and appoint herself as a director whilst she was in the process of promoting the company )
People who own shares are called shareholders
People whose name appears in the register of members are called members and they may or may not also be shareholders
People who are appointed to the position of director are called directors and may, or may not, also be members and / or shareholders
People who take on the job of creating companies are called promoters and may, or may not, go on to be members and / or shareholders and / or directors
OK?
venkat768 says
@MikeLittle, ahh ok.. thats fine.. thanks for the info. 馃檪
and yup.. i still havnt got any grip to f4.. finding it quite hard.. trying my best…:)
hamzaharoon says
@MikeLittle, very very Helpfull distinction specially between members and shareholders, Thank you so much sir 馃榾
tauraiversatile says
Fine, Perfect!
college234 says
what is solvency statement
MikeLittle says
@college234, It’s ( literally ) a statement of solvency! It’s prepared by the directors of a comany which is about to go into voluntary liquidation. Choices are members’ voluntary liquidation or creditors’ volunary liquidation.
For the directors / members to be able to choose the members’ voluntary liquidation route, the directors must show that the company will be able to pay its debts in full within the twelve months following the commencement f the liquidation.
For them to be able to show that, the directors must prepare a statement of solvency – ie a statement showing that the company’s assets at their realisable value exceed the company’s liabilities.
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lucky0507 says
My friend have a plc. Its a small company so how can i find out what type of company is that. Is company’s owner or director have separate entity. I meant anybody can sue him or not ???
MikeLittle says
Are GSK and C & A really private unlimited companies? The estimate of 1000 was only an estimate and your examples of the Navy and Kew are still way short of the 1000 estimate!
drmarcus says
Furthermore, I have been thinking about why one would strategically incorporate a private unlimited company (with or without shares) and the best reason I can come up with is if you wish to uphold your secrecy so as to shield your financial affairs from public knowledge also maybe to make it easier to increase commercial advantage through disintermediation. But there are some famous private unlimited companies such as UK GlaxoSmithKline and C&A
drmarcus says
Great lecture, but contrary to what the lecturer said, there are much more than 1000 made by royalty alone and one we all know of is ACCA itself but they are loads everything from the Royal Navy to Kew Gardens.