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Thank you for these insightful lectures. I would just like to ask for one clarification question. It is stated therein that anything taken by the owner from business is considered as withdrawals whatever he/she names it. But in the case that the owner is also employed by the business, meaning that he/she is in the business’s payroll as Director or Manager or else, shouldn’t his/her wages and salaries as employee be considered as salary expenses? Kind regards
The lecture is discussing a sole trader (as defined in the earlier lectures). Sole traders do not have directors, and do not employ the owner.
Limited companies do have directors and might employ one or more of the owners. Drawings do not exist for limited companies and all this is explained in the later lectures on limited companies.
First of all thank you for your lectures they have been invaluable in helping me to understand certain topics which my text books are rather vague with (I’m doing distance learning!)
My question is this – You say that anything that the owner takes from the business is drawings, and anything taken as drawings reduces the amount owed to the owner by the business, but does not affect the profit. When it gets to the stage that the owner has withdrawn the total amount of capital he/she input in the first place, where do further drawings get withdrawn from? The profit? I ask because is was stated that drawings should not affect the profit…
Each year the capital increases by the profit and decreases by the drawings.
So suppose the capital at the start of the year is 10, the profit is 100, and the drawings are 50.
The capital at the end of the year will be 10 + 100 – 60 = 50.
The profit does belong to the owner, and on these figures the owner is taking some of the profit, but it does not mean that the profit itself is any different.
Hello sir I’m confused that how the salary of an owner is considered in drawings? Because the salary of owner is an expense if he is employed in his own business as well.
I just want to ask that if i buy the kaplan/bpp revision kit.Are the chapters same as the notes and lectures like are the numbered the same and is the quantity of chapters the same or not? Thank you so much. Really appreciate what you are doing.
Hi Sir, I had a doubt. If the capital at 1 April 2007 is 130,000 plus the profit which is 50,000 making it 180,000. Will the capital for next year be written as 180,000 itself?
If you watch the lectures in order then they are a complete course for Paper F3 and cover everything you need to be able to pass the exam well. (The only extra thing that you really should buy is a Revision Kit from one of the ACCA approved publishers, because they have lots of exam standard questions to practice on and practice is vital.)
It is mentioned all the way through – it is an underlying concept of accounting, not a specifically separate topic. I suppose maybe more in chapters 6 and 7. However the lectures (and chapters) are for working through in order – each one builds on the previous one because they are designed to be a full course.
I assume you mean why is there no lecture (because there is certainly a chapter 7 in the lecture notes!)
The reason is that there is no need for a lecture since all the important provisions are dealt with in the previous lecture. The rest of them you should be quite capable of reading for yourself in the lecture notes.
Sir i didn’t understand why cash is a current. How can company expect cash to be kept with them less than one year and it always actually remains with them for years
Do you really think that the same cash will stay with them for years? They will receive cash and pay cash daily – the amount of cash will keep changing, and it certainly will not be the same cash next year as it is today!!
That is correct. A sole trader is personally liable, but shareholders of a limited company are not personally liable. (This is explained in Chapter 1, and again in the later chapter on limited companies)
Revenue is another word for the total sales; purchases is the name given to goods purchased for resale; the trading accounting is what we call the first bit of the Statement of profit or loss (i.e. the calculation of the gross profit).
In both questions I have used the accounting equation that you have typed out.
In question 3, you are given the net assets at the end of the year. Since the increase over the year is due to the profit + cap int – dwgs, to get the net assets at the start of the year we need to subtract the increase, which means subtracting the profit and cap int, and adding the drawings.
In question 1, we are not deducting closing net assets from opening net assets. All of the choices involve subtracting the opening from the closing (which gives the increase).
Mr John, are the drawings are levied by income/profits tax? and if the owner could have managed to make a tax collector believe that it is actually wages, then it ? net profit and ? tax levied…does it actually happen in business entities? Thank you sir, Rustam.
No. The owner is taxed personally on all the profit made by the business – it makes no difference how much or how little he/she took as drawings (or whatever he/she called the drawings).
All of the profit belongs to the owner, and so the owner pays tax on all the profit. (That is the ‘real life’ position for sole traders!!)
Hi John! One thing I didn’t get, why would we consider wages and salaries as (drawings)? Just because it was taken by the owner? From what I know wages and salaries are considered to be business expense called salaries expense or so and yes they are deducted from the capital but they are not called “drawings”, drawings are what the owner takes out the capital for his own personal use, can you explain please?
Wages and salaries paid to other people are an expense and appear in the Statement of profit or loss.
However anything taken by the owner is drawings. As I explain in the lecture, it does not matter if the own decides to call it something else (such as salary) – anything the owner takes is drawings and therefore does not appear in the Statement of profit or loss.
(If I own a business then all the profit belongs to me – it would be ridiculous for me to take out more or less money and have as a result more or less profit, just because I decided to call it a salary)
ambrosesays
Hi John!
Pretty long time! ln a merchandising company limited by shares, if one of the directors or shareholders took out goods which he didnt pay for, how l am going to treat that transcation: which of the accounts will l post it to?
if the owner takes out cash as wages…..why would it be a withdrawal….he maybe paying himself and others from the sum that he took from the business. How may we know then what exactly he took fro himself?
If he is paying himself then it is always drawings – never wages – whatever he/she might call it. Anything the owner takes for himself/herself is drawings whatever he/she calls it.
If any of the money was in fact being used to pay wages to employees, then the question would tell you (and that money would indeed be wages). If you are not told that then you assume that it is all kept by him or her.
chang312 says
Hi, I am the new learner for the ACCA, my friend recommend me here, and I found I love it! I am a foreigner, but the professors’ talk speed is really suits me. Thanks!
And my friend, she passed 9 in 7 months! and she said cause your free resources.
John Moffat says
Thank you for the comment – I hope you continue to find the site useful 🙂
jojufijo says
Thank you for these insightful lectures.
I would just like to ask for one clarification question.
It is stated therein that anything taken by the owner from business is considered as withdrawals whatever he/she names it. But in the case that the owner is also employed by the business, meaning that he/she is in the business’s payroll as Director or Manager or else, shouldn’t his/her wages and salaries as employee be considered as salary expenses?
Kind regards
John Moffat says
The lecture is discussing a sole trader (as defined in the earlier lectures). Sole traders do not have directors, and do not employ the owner.
Limited companies do have directors and might employ one or more of the owners. Drawings do not exist for limited companies and all this is explained in the later lectures on limited companies.
jojufijo says
Thank you for this clarification
Kind regards
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
pvassallo says
Hi
First of all thank you for your lectures they have been invaluable in helping me to understand certain topics which my text books are rather vague with (I’m doing distance learning!)
My question is this – You say that anything that the owner takes from the business is drawings, and anything taken as drawings reduces the amount owed to the owner by the business, but does not affect the profit. When it gets to the stage that the owner has withdrawn the total amount of capital he/she input in the first place, where do further drawings get withdrawn from? The profit? I ask because is was stated that drawings should not affect the profit…
Many Thanks
Pippa
John Moffat says
Each year the capital increases by the profit and decreases by the drawings.
So suppose the capital at the start of the year is 10, the profit is 100, and the drawings are 50.
The capital at the end of the year will be 10 + 100 – 60 = 50.
The profit does belong to the owner, and on these figures the owner is taking some of the profit, but it does not mean that the profit itself is any different.
pvassallo says
Ah I see, so whilst a part of the drawings may be funded by the profit, the profit figure itself remains the same, Thanks!
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
mbatha97 says
can i download them to watch where i cant acces wifi
beachbum08 says
HI, can you tell me what lecture videos are specifically for Fa1?
John Moffat says
These are for not specifically for FA1, but some of them do cover the same topics. Download our free notes for FA1 and compare the chapter headings.
ruhinaahmadzai says
Hello sir
I’m confused that how the salary of an owner is considered in drawings? Because the salary of owner is an expense if he is employed in his own business as well.
angelpixy says
Hello Sir.
I just want to ask that if i buy the kaplan/bpp revision kit.Are the chapters same as the notes and lectures like are the numbered the same and is the quantity of chapters the same or not? Thank you so much. Really appreciate what you are doing.
John Moffat says
In future please ask this sort of question in the Ask the Tutor Forum – not as a comment on a lecture.
The Revision Kits are not teaching books – they are books containing lots of exam-standard questions to practice on.
You should use our free lecture notes and lectures to study the topics, and the Revision Kit to practice questions on them.
angelpixy says
Ok Thank you. I’ll keep in mind to ask these sort of questions on the forum.
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
aditimehta28 says
Hi Sir, I had a doubt. If the capital at 1 April 2007 is 130,000 plus the profit which is 50,000 making it 180,000. Will the capital for next year be written as 180,000 itself?
Thanks 😀
John Moffat says
Yes – the closing capital at the end of this year will be the opening capital at the start of next year.
You will see about this in later lectures 🙂
aditimehta28 says
Thanks a lot Sir 🙂
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
hlony says
What is the effect of drawings when they are made in the form of goods,do they reduce inventory or what?
In our example i see they have reduced cash and what the owner is owed.
John Moffat says
In this example they took cash so that is why cash was reduced.
If they take goods then we reduce purchases (but you will see this in a later chapter).
hlony says
Thank you sir
Hussain says
Will there be more discussion on capital and revenue expenditure in future lectures of f3?
John Moffat says
Yes 🙂
If you watch the lectures in order then they are a complete course for Paper F3 and cover everything you need to be able to pass the exam well.
(The only extra thing that you really should buy is a Revision Kit from one of the ACCA approved publishers, because they have lots of exam standard questions to practice on and practice is vital.)
Hussain says
In which chapter xan you tell??
John Moffat says
It is mentioned all the way through – it is an underlying concept of accounting, not a specifically separate topic. I suppose maybe more in chapters 6 and 7. However the lectures (and chapters) are for working through in order – each one builds on the previous one because they are designed to be a full course.
Hussain says
Why there is no chapter 7?
John Moffat says
I assume you mean why is there no lecture (because there is certainly a chapter 7 in the lecture notes!)
The reason is that there is no need for a lecture since all the important provisions are dealt with in the previous lecture. The rest of them you should be quite capable of reading for yourself in the lecture notes.
Hussain says
Sir i didn’t understand why cash is a current. How can company expect cash to be kept with them less than one year and it always actually remains with them for years
John Moffat says
I think you mean current asset!
Do you really think that the same cash will stay with them for years?
They will receive cash and pay cash daily – the amount of cash will keep changing, and it certainly will not be the same cash next year as it is today!!
Hussain says
Thankyou Sir for your reply
mamzy says
Okay….thank you sir
mamzy says
A company’s shareholders are not personally liable for any losses that the company might make. Is this statement correct sir?
John Moffat says
That is correct. A sole trader is personally liable, but shareholders of a limited company are not personally liable.
(This is explained in Chapter 1, and again in the later chapter on limited companies)
zaeemkhan says
sound isn’t working 🙁
John Moffat says
The sound is working fine – try checking the settings on your computer.
zaeemkhan says
thank you for your reply… it’s working fine now from my side also… finished the lecture, it was outstanding… 🙂
shay says
thanks you very much… well explained..
can you tell me the definition of revenue, purchases and trading account please..
John Moffat says
Revenue is another word for the total sales; purchases is the name given to goods purchased for resale; the trading accounting is what we call the first bit of the Statement of profit or loss (i.e. the calculation of the gross profit).
shay says
thanks sir
grace28 says
hi John , i have a question
chapter 2 , test question 3
I have noted that you deducted profit and capital
from the net assets , would you explain why
am abit confused with this formula that says
INCREASED IN NET ASSETS = CAPITAL INTRODUCED +PROFIT-DRAWINGS
And on question 1 same chapter , why are we deducting closing assets from opening
many thanks
John Moffat says
In both questions I have used the accounting equation that you have typed out.
In question 3, you are given the net assets at the end of the year. Since the increase over the year is due to the profit + cap int – dwgs, to get the net assets at the start of the year we need to subtract the increase, which means subtracting the profit and cap int, and adding the drawings.
In question 1, we are not deducting closing net assets from opening net assets. All of the choices involve subtracting the opening from the closing (which gives the increase).
rustamrakhmatov27 says
Mr John, are the drawings are levied by income/profits tax? and if the owner could have managed to make a tax collector believe that it is actually wages, then it ? net profit and ? tax levied…does it actually happen in business entities?
Thank you sir,
Rustam.
John Moffat says
No. The owner is taxed personally on all the profit made by the business – it makes no difference how much or how little he/she took as drawings (or whatever he/she called the drawings).
All of the profit belongs to the owner, and so the owner pays tax on all the profit. (That is the ‘real life’ position for sole traders!!)
taidang says
Hi John!
One thing I didn’t get, why would we consider wages and salaries as (drawings)? Just because it was taken by the owner? From what I know wages and salaries are considered to be business expense called salaries expense or so and yes they are deducted from the capital but they are not called “drawings”, drawings are what the owner takes out the capital for his own personal use, can you explain please?
John Moffat says
Wages and salaries paid to other people are an expense and appear in the Statement of profit or loss.
However anything taken by the owner is drawings. As I explain in the lecture, it does not matter if the own decides to call it something else (such as salary) – anything the owner takes is drawings and therefore does not appear in the Statement of profit or loss.
(If I own a business then all the profit belongs to me – it would be ridiculous for me to take out more or less money and have as a result more or less profit, just because I decided to call it a salary)
ambrose says
Hi John!
Pretty long time! ln a merchandising company limited by shares, if one of the directors or shareholders took out goods which he didnt pay for, how l am going to treat that transcation: which of the accounts will l post it to?
John Moffat says
That will not happen in the exam – if they did not intend to pay for them then it would be illegal!
However, assuming they were intending to pay for them, then Dr Receivables Cr Sales (as with any customer buying on credit).
chuchunyang says
if the thing really happed, we should treat is as a sales event,right? and tax is necessary?
chandan says
if the owner takes out cash as wages…..why would it be a withdrawal….he maybe paying himself and others from the sum that he took from the business. How may we know then what exactly he took fro himself?
John Moffat says
If he is paying himself then it is always drawings – never wages – whatever he/she might call it. Anything the owner takes for himself/herself is drawings whatever he/she calls it.
If any of the money was in fact being used to pay wages to employees, then the question would tell you (and that money would indeed be wages). If you are not told that then you assume that it is all kept by him or her.