Will it be correct to say other income like interest received, rent received…….. etc is extra ord. income considering that revenue is income generated in the normal operations of the business?
We do not use the term extra ordinary income. However any other income is shown separately – I do say this in the lecture when I talk through the layout of the Income statement that is in Chapter 2 of the Course Notes (you will see there that they are shown separately under gross profit).
I think it is correct to Cr Drawings and Dr Cash when the owner returns the cash taken out of the business or the cash equivalent of the goods he took?
How do i classify office air conditional, fridge, tv etc in one word? Is it correct to say office machines?
Yes – that would be correct if the owner were to return cash taken out (although I would be very surprised if that happened in the exam 馃檪 )
With regard to air conditioning etc., there is no special name (the only ‘rule’ is that obviously they must come under the heading ‘non-current assets’. Office machines is fine, or furniture and fittings would be fine also.
A situation where the owner supplies the office furniture for the business; will the office furniture be part of capital? If the owner takes goods from inventory how is going be treated in the B/S and Income Statement?
If the owner supplies furniture himself, then the double entry is Dr Furniture (which appears as a non-current asset in the SOFP) Cr Capital.
If the owner takes goods from inventory, then the entry is Dr Drawings Cr Purchases. (most want to Cr inventory, but the reason this would not be correct is that the inventory figure on the SOFP is the inventory counted at the very end of the year which will be after the owner has taken any. When the business bought goods they will have Debited purchases – if the owner takes some then Cr purchases (which is sensible because only the remainder were actually used within the business) and Dr drawings (to charge the owner, in just the same way as we would Dr drawings if the owner had taken cash).
prepayments comes under non-current assets. would you classify rent as a prepayment and if yes what if the rent was paid two years in advance then it should come under current assets because its over one year. how would you treat two years advance payment on rent in the statement of financial position.
Prepayments certainly do not come under non-current assets – they are current assets.
Rent is a prepayment if it has been paid in advance and will be classified as a current asset (even if it is paid for two years in advance).
Although we usually say that non-current assets are assets lasting more than one that is not the strict definition of them (the one-year rule is only a strict rule when it comes to current and non-current liabilities)
Two years advance payment of rent is exactly the same as a prepayment of rent.
Hi John, very useful lectures, thank you! Just a quick silly question: after taking large amounts of drawings and capital and the profit is fully repaid to the owner… how do we record the rest of wages/drawings if any, taking out by the owner? Is he allowed to withdraw more than he is owed?
A few things. Firstly, anything taken by the owner is called drawings (a sole trader does not pay wages to the owner – it is drawings). Secondly, there is no law stopping the owner taking as much drawings as they want (there is for limited companies but not for sole traders). However, in practice they will not take out more that they are owed (capital plus profits) because it would mean selling all the assets and having an overdraft with the bank. The bank is not going to let them have an overdraft if the business has no assets left 馃檪
Can someone tell me where could I find the answers to the text (e.g. question 1, question 2…) in the paper? I have done the exercise after the examples but don麓t know wether they are right. Thanks for the reply in advance!
Hi – One thing I didn’t get, why would we consider wages and salaries as (drawings)? Just because it was taken by the owner? From what I know wages and salaries are considered to be business expense called salaries expense or so and yes they are deducted from the capital but they are not called “drawings”, drawings are what the owner takes out the capital for his own personal use, can you explain please?
At the financial year end on June 30 2011 the invoice was not paid. Part of the invoice relates to the current financial year and part relates to the next financial year.
Good tuition. I have a question. The financial year ends June 30, 2011. I have received an invoice for $1,200 for insurance which runs from May 1 2011 to 30 April 2012. What is the treatment of this invoice in the income statement and statement of financial position for the year ended June 30, 2011?
I think that if it is paid before the year end (june), it would be treated as a prepayment (current asset). if it is not paid before year end (june), I think it should be treated as an accrual(current liability).
shirzelle says
where do i find answers to tnis chapters questions?
John Moffat says
Try looking at the contents page! They are at the end of the Lecture Notes.
ambrose says
Will it be correct to say other income like interest received, rent received…….. etc is extra ord. income considering that revenue is income generated in the normal operations of the business?
Thanks always
John Moffat says
We do not use the term extra ordinary income. However any other income is shown separately – I do say this in the lecture when I talk through the layout of the Income statement that is in Chapter 2 of the Course Notes (you will see there that they are shown separately under gross profit).
ambrose says
I think it is correct to Cr Drawings and Dr Cash when the owner returns the cash taken out of the business or the cash equivalent of the goods he took?
How do i classify office air conditional, fridge, tv etc in one word? Is it correct to say office machines?
Thanks always for the time taken to reply!
John Moffat says
Yes – that would be correct if the owner were to return cash taken out (although I would be very surprised if that happened in the exam 馃檪 )
With regard to air conditioning etc., there is no special name (the only ‘rule’ is that obviously they must come under the heading ‘non-current assets’.
Office machines is fine, or furniture and fittings would be fine also.
ambrose says
A situation where the owner supplies the office furniture for the business; will the office furniture be part of capital?
If the owner takes goods from inventory how is going be treated in the B/S and Income Statement?
John Moffat says
If the owner supplies furniture himself, then the double entry is Dr Furniture (which appears as a non-current asset in the SOFP) Cr Capital.
If the owner takes goods from inventory, then the entry is Dr Drawings Cr Purchases.
(most want to Cr inventory, but the reason this would not be correct is that the inventory figure on the SOFP is the inventory counted at the very end of the year which will be after the owner has taken any. When the business bought goods they will have Debited purchases – if the owner takes some then Cr purchases (which is sensible because only the remainder were actually used within the business) and Dr drawings (to charge the owner, in just the same way as we would Dr drawings if the owner had taken cash).
briandean2002 says
Great video! I am wondering, $50k is the net profit and $70k is the gross profit. What do we call the $81k (the gross profit plus other income)?
Cheers, Brian
John Moffat says
We don’t have a name for that 馃檪
briandean2002 says
Thank you!
Kings says
prepayments comes under non-current assets. would you classify rent as a prepayment and if yes what if the rent was paid two years in advance then it should come under current assets because its over one year. how would you treat two years advance payment on rent in the statement of financial position.
Thanks
John Moffat says
Prepayments certainly do not come under non-current assets – they are current assets.
Rent is a prepayment if it has been paid in advance and will be classified as a current asset (even if it is paid for two years in advance).
Although we usually say that non-current assets are assets lasting more than one that is not the strict definition of them (the one-year rule is only a strict rule when it comes to current and non-current liabilities)
Two years advance payment of rent is exactly the same as a prepayment of rent.
mapalo says
how do i download the video lectures for ffa f3
John Moffat says
Lectures can only be watched online –
It is only the Course Notes that can be downloaded.
It is the only way that we can keep this website free of charge.
Diana says
Hi John, very useful lectures, thank you! Just a quick silly question: after taking large amounts of drawings and capital and the profit is fully repaid to the owner… how do we record the rest of wages/drawings if any, taking out by the owner? Is he allowed to withdraw more than he is owed?
John Moffat says
A few things.
Firstly, anything taken by the owner is called drawings (a sole trader does not pay wages to the owner – it is drawings).
Secondly, there is no law stopping the owner taking as much drawings as they want (there is for limited companies but not for sole traders).
However, in practice they will not take out more that they are owed (capital plus profits) because it would mean selling all the assets and having an overdraft with the bank. The bank is not going to let them have an overdraft if the business has no assets left 馃檪
joseph says
I just have a simple question, are expenses regarded as drawings or accruals? please help me differentiate the two because I am really confused.
John Moffat says
Expenses are costs of running the business..
Drawings are not an expense – it is money taken out of the business by the owner.
An accrual is an expense for the period that has not yet been paid and is still owing.
Karen says
Found the answer amongst the others, thanks guys
1jesuschrist says
good day,
HELP, i am unable to view the lectures for F3, can anyone help me. i can only see the first topic and every thing else blank.
vicky says
Can someone tell me where could I find the answers to the text (e.g. question 1, question 2…) in the paper?
I have done the exercise after the examples but don麓t know wether they are right.
Thanks for the reply in advance!
John Moffat says
If you mean the tests in the course notes, then try looking at the end of the course notes!
(They are also listed on the index page)
John Moffat says
The lectures are working fine – it is either your internet connection or try using a different browser.
tumelo says
how do you classify a cold room in a financial statement?
John Moffat says
As a non-current asset (as you would a refrigerator).
accakeisha says
great explanation
mahoysam says
Hi – One thing I didn’t get, why would we consider wages and salaries as (drawings)? Just because it was taken by the owner? From what I know wages and salaries are considered to be business expense called salaries expense or so and yes they are deducted from the capital but they are not called “drawings”, drawings are what the owner takes out the capital for his own personal use, can you explain please?
farhanandrebecca107 says
really helped a lot. very well explained in details… thank you so much open tuition 馃檪 馃檪
farhanandrebecca107 says
really helped a lot….. very well explained in details… thank you so much open tuition 馃檪 馃檪
zamirjamal says
excellent resources for learners
bolbol says
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oboynaas says
Can this statement be also considered as drawings:
1. Withdrew cash for business use.
muhammad says
it could be used as expenses
acca0393 says
At the financial year end on June 30 2011 the invoice was not paid. Part of the invoice relates to the current financial year and part relates to the next financial year.
MikeLittle says
@acca0393, So Debit expenses 200 and Credit accruals / payables 200
acca0393 says
Good tuition. I have a question. The financial year ends June 30, 2011. I have received an invoice for $1,200 for insurance which runs from May 1 2011 to 30 April 2012. What is the treatment of this invoice in the income statement and statement of financial position for the year ended June 30, 2011?
MikeLittle says
@acca0393, Have you paid it?
jmorayo says
I think that if it is paid before the year end (june), it would be treated as a prepayment (current asset). if it is not paid before year end (june), I think it should be treated as an accrual(current liability).