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ACCA F3 Group Accounts The Consolidated Income Statement (part b)

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  1. tauqeer1996 says

    May 25, 2018 at 10:29 am

    Sir At 11.19 why do we add PURP is Cost of sales? ,….can we not simply deduct PURP from Gross profit?

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    • tauqeer1996 says

      May 25, 2018 at 10:41 am

      Also Sir if P sells to S… apart from adding PURP to cost of sales… from where will the PURP be deducted ?Either from Movement on R.E or Share holders of P?

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      • John Moffat says

        May 25, 2018 at 5:48 pm

        We add it to the cost of sales because that it what the accounting standard tells us to do!!!

        Adding it to the cost of sales reduces the group profit (and therefore the retained earnings and total equity), and we also reduce the value of the groups inventory as I explain in the earlier lectures.

  2. marghe says

    May 19, 2018 at 10:33 am

    Hi John. I don’t understand why we deduct 28,000 from costs of sales.
    Cost of sales does not include profit so why are we deducting 28,000 which includes the profit ?
    Thanks

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    • marghe says

      May 19, 2018 at 12:15 pm

      Oh I got it sorry.. stupid question 馃檪

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  3. agar123 says

    February 14, 2018 at 10:57 am

    Sir, are there any examples where the parent sells goods to subsidiary.

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    • lenamisiri says

      March 27, 2018 at 1:21 pm

      Without balancing from profit of 70,000. example2 chapter 24. May you calculate profit attributable to parent?

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      • John Moffat says

        March 27, 2018 at 4:15 pm

        It is wasting time to check it – the accounting standard specifically has it as the balancing figure. (Obviously you can check it – it is the profit of the holding company plus their share of the subsidiaries profit – but, again, it is wasting time unnecessarily.)

    • John Moffat says

      March 27, 2018 at 4:16 pm

      There is no need for an extra example. I explain in the lecture what the rule is 馃檪

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  4. Petronella says

    January 9, 2018 at 1:53 pm

    I dont understand why we deduct $28000 because l thought 3/4 of that sale has already been sold outside the group .l also thought 3/4 of $28000 contains profit that has already been realised .why are we dealing with $28000 when its only $7000 with unrealised profits .please correct me.

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    • John Moffat says

      January 9, 2018 at 4:17 pm

      I think you need to watch again.

      The unrealised profit is only calculated on the 7,000 that is left in inventory.

      However separately all the sales between the two companies are subtracted from both total purchases and total sales, so we are only showing total sales outside the group and total purchases from outside the group.

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      • Petronella says

        January 13, 2018 at 4:38 pm

        Thank you so much John for the correction .l do get it now .Your lectures are so helpful

      • John Moffat says

        January 13, 2018 at 8:07 pm

        You are welcome, and thank you for your comment 馃檪

  5. loukasierides says

    December 9, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    Dear Sir,

    I just passed F4 yesterday and Thursday i will definitely do well in F3. Your help was invaluable see you in F7 and F9 soon!

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    • John Moffat says

      December 9, 2017 at 7:41 pm

      Thats great – congratulations 馃檪

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  6. pavelpavlovmsc says

    May 29, 2017 at 10:16 pm

    Dear John
    Why in the ACCA specimen exam Section B 1 while calculating the non-controlling interest the PURP is not deducted, while in this lecture it is deducted? Thank you.

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    • pavelpavlovmsc says

      May 29, 2017 at 10:21 pm

      oh, sorry I think I got it: in the specimen exam it is P who sells to S

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      • John Moffat says

        May 30, 2017 at 8:18 am

        That’s correct 馃檪

  7. Evgeni says

    February 20, 2017 at 10:54 am

    Hello Mr. Moffat,

    Thank you for the lectures and the entire content on your site! It is a pleasure studying
    with you 馃檪

    Regarding the this lecture, I have a question regarding the sales tax – If we reduce the
    profit like in the example, wouldn’t that reduce the income tax we owe to the government?
    Because, it should be a percentage of our profit before tax?

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    • John Moffat says

      February 20, 2017 at 3:25 pm

      Thank you for your comment 馃檪

      There are special tax rules for groups of companies, but these are not examinable until Paper F6. You will not be asked about any taxes in consolidation questions in Paper F3 馃檪

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  8. b10tomling says

    January 2, 2017 at 6:21 pm

    John

    In relation to the consolidate income statement expample 3. On the non controlling interest if p had sold items to S and one quarter of the goods remained in S books. Would this still result on an unrealised gain in the non controlling interest?

    Many thanks

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    • John Moffat says

      January 2, 2017 at 7:56 pm

      No. There is an unrealised gain but if P sold the goods to S then it reduces P’s profit and therefore their retained earnings.

      (I assume you are watching the lectures and not trying to use the notes on their own, which would be silly 馃檪 )

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  9. yanlee says

    November 20, 2016 at 3:54 am

    HI Sir,
    Can I use a different method as per below to derive the answer?

    Cost = 20,000 x 1/4 = 5000
    Profit = 8,000 x 1/4 = 2,000
    SP= 28,000 x 1/4 = 7,000

    Consol I/S
    Revenue (120+110-7) = 223,000
    COS (55+50-5) = 100,000
    GP = 123,000
    Expenses. = 19,000
    Profit b4 tax. = 104,000
    Tax. = 34,000
    Profit. = 70,000

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    • John Moffat says

      November 20, 2016 at 7:30 am

      No – the accounting standard requires it to be shown as I have done.

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  10. santisouk says

    November 12, 2016 at 6:37 am

    Your lectures and notes have tremendously been helpful to me a lot.
    You are one of the amazing accounting teachers ever!
    Thanks for your hard work and efforts in helping accountancy students.
    May God bless you, your family and your work!

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    • John Moffat says

      November 12, 2016 at 7:19 am

      Thank you very much for your comment 馃檪

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  11. marken says

    November 6, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    Hi Sir I cant understand the part where you worked the x to be 5000 and then the working you did after.. can you explain in detail please?

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    • John Moffat says

      November 7, 2016 at 7:39 am

      The question says that the mark-up that S charged when selling to P was 40%.

      In the consolidated statement we only want to show the profit that has been earned by the group on sales made outside the group. Those goods that remain in P’s inventory have not been sold outside the group and therefore the profit S recorded on the sale of those goods needs to be removed.
      The calculation of this unrealised profit is the normal workings for mark-ups (have you watched the earlier lecture on mark-ups and margins?). To reduce the group profit by this PURP, we simply increase the cost of sales by the amount (which then reduces the final profit).

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  12. stephaniemoe says

    September 21, 2016 at 10:04 am

    I had done well with consolidated group account questions and I got 93 marks in F3 paper. Thank you very much OpenTuition 馃檪

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    • John Moffat says

      September 21, 2016 at 12:24 pm

      Thank you for your comment, and many congratulations on getting such a good mark 馃檪

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  13. josephmikhael says

    May 17, 2016 at 7:07 am

    Hi Sir, I am a bit confused why P’s cost of sales include the whole amount of $28000 while the only amount of the cost of the year was 3/4 of $28000=$2100, why we don’t reduce only $2100 as it’s only related for the year. Many thanks.

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  14. sabina1717 says

    February 9, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    Hi! Thanks very much for the videos, they saved me!
    I didnt get one thing, if S sells P goods for 28000, and if 1/4 of them were not sold, does not it imply that 7000 is a cost of inventory?

    I mean for P now the cost of inventory it bought was 28000, and does not 40% of mark up that was mentioned refers to S(!) ?

    Why then we used 40% of mark up calculating P’s inventory?

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  15. paomayin says

    November 28, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    Thanks John for this great job.
    Please I want you to explain the solution to Section B question 1 C of the specimen exam applicable from June 2014.

    The answer given there is $80,000 ($400,000×20%)

    I thought it should be $50,000 ($400,000 – $150,000)x20% since $150,000 is the unrealized profit.

    Thank you

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    • John Moffat says

      November 28, 2015 at 6:01 pm

      Thank you for your comment 馃檪

      If you follow the link below, then you will find lectures where I work through all of the questions in the specimen exam. I think that will sort out your problem 馃檪

      https://opentuition.com/acca/f3/acca-f3-revision/

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      • paomayin says

        November 30, 2015 at 10:53 pm

        Thanks I will do just that. Sir how helpful are these specimen exams? At what point can one be confident to pass the real exam?

      • John Moffat says

        December 1, 2015 at 6:19 am

        The ACCA’s specimen exam is very helpful because it is in the same format as the real exam and the questions are of exam standard.

        However, obviously the questions are different in every exam and so you can never have enough practice. That is why we have little tests after each chapter of our free lecture notes, and also an online mock exam of our own.
        In addition, you must buy a current edition of a Revision Kit from one of the ACCA approved publishers because they contain lots of exam standard questions to practice on.

  16. Candice says

    November 4, 2015 at 9:57 am

    Hi sir i’m a bit lost as to how you worked x to be 5000. Can you explain it to me again? Thanks.

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    • John Moffat says

      November 4, 2015 at 1:18 pm

      The profit is 40% of cost, so for every 100 cost, the profit is 40 and therefore the selling price is 140.
      Or, putting it the other way round, for every 140 selling price, the cost is 100.

      So for a selling price of 7,000 (the price of what is left in inventory), then profit is 100/140 x 7,000 = 5,000 (and the profit is therefore 2,000).

      (I assume that you have watched the earlier lecture on mark-ups and margins?)

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    • Candice says

      November 5, 2015 at 12:46 am

      Thanks alot….

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  17. alfred644g says

    August 22, 2015 at 11:16 am

    I have a question.Why can’t less the profit with 2000 pounds instead of adding it up to the cost of sales in example 3.

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    • John Moffat says

      August 22, 2015 at 12:16 pm

      Because by removing the PURP from the closing inventory we are valuing it at cost to the group. Reducing the closing inventory increases the cost of sales and gives the cost of sales from outside the group.

      (In addition, we have to do it this way because the accounting standard tells us to 馃檪 )

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  18. Thierry says

    August 12, 2015 at 10:18 am

    Good day sir, if I understand properly we can get the answer using a different method from yours?
    40/140=0.285714285*(28000)=8000
    28000+8000=36000
    36000-28000=8000 profit.
    8000*1/4=2000 unrealised profit which is in the inventory.

    Revenue:(120+110-36)= 194000
    C.O.S: (55+50-36+2)= (71000)
    Gross profit: 123000
    Expenses: (19000)
    PBT 104000
    Income Tax: (34000)
    Profit for the year: 70000

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    • John Moffat says

      August 12, 2015 at 10:40 am

      But what you have done is wrong (even though the final profit is the same).

      The question says that the goods were sold from S to P for 28,000 including the mark-up.
      Therefore the total revenue and the total cost of sales both should be reduced by 28,000 (the sale price) and not by 36,000 as you have done.

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      • Thierry says

        August 12, 2015 at 1:19 pm

        Thanks sir will definitely follow your way, many thanks.

  19. Dragan says

    May 30, 2015 at 12:01 am

    Maybe it’s just me who doesn’t get it. Sorry in advance if this is the case. However, if we have to calculate a 40% mark-up (on cost) from 28,000 sales, isn’t the gross profit equal 8,000 instead of 7,000.

    Sales (140%) 28,000
    Cost of sales (100%) 20,000
    Gross profit (40%) 8,000

    Unrealized profit = 8,000 x 40% = 3,200

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    • John Moffat says

      May 30, 2015 at 10:37 am

      I do not say anywhere that the profit is 7,000 – you were not watching carefully enough!

      I said that 1/4 of the sales is sales of 7,000 and that the profit included in the 7,000 is 2,000.

      You worked out the profit first, which would have been fine except that 1/4 of profit of $8,000 does not equal $3,200 – it equals $2,000.

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      • Sanchez says

        October 14, 2015 at 10:04 am

        Hi, Its okay to do it these way? 28000/ 140*100= 20000*0.40=8000.

      • John Moffat says

        October 14, 2015 at 10:30 am

        Different ways are always OK provided the give the correct answer!!

    • Dragan says

      May 30, 2015 at 11:52 am

      It was a bit late and I was a little tired. Apologize for taking your time and thank you for a quick reply. Yes, I thought I read that it was 40% of inventories that remained unsold. However, the question clearly states it was one quarter instead. My mistake! Thank you!

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  20. Liza says

    April 15, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    Hi!

    If we are preparing both the consolidated balance sheet and income statement, how are we going to reflect the unrealized profit on the inventory(inter entity transaction)? Because if we already adjusted the unrealized profit on the consolidated income statement, the consolidated balance sheet would automatically be adusted (retained earnings). But how about the inventory account? Because our procedure in reflecting the unrealized profit was to increase COS?

    Many thanks!

    Liza

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    • John Moffat says

      April 15, 2015 at 5:02 pm

      In the Statement of financial position, the PURP is removed from the value of the inventory and removed from the retained earnings of the company that sold the goods to the company holding them at the year end.

      In the Statement of profit or loss, the profit is reduced by the PURP (and achieved by increasing the cost of sales), which automatically reduces the retained earnings (and therefore ‘matches’ with the Statement of financial position.

      There is no consolidated inventory account. There are only two companies with t-accounts – the parent and the subsidiary. There is no such thing as a consolidated company with its own t-accounts. The preparation of consolidated statements is simply an exercise at the end of the year using the statements of the two individual companies.
      The inventory accounts in the individual companies are not affected by PURP and their individual statements are not changed in any sense.

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