Also Sir if P sells to S… apart from adding PURP to cost of sales… from where will the PURP be deducted ?Either from Movement on R.E or Share holders of P?
We add it to the cost of sales because that it what the accounting standard tells us to do!!!
Adding it to the cost of sales reduces the group profit (and therefore the retained earnings and total equity), and we also reduce the value of the groups inventory as I explain in the earlier lectures.
marghesays
Hi John. I don’t understand why we deduct 28,000 from costs of sales. Cost of sales does not include profit so why are we deducting 28,000 which includes the profit ? Thanks
It is wasting time to check it – the accounting standard specifically has it as the balancing figure. (Obviously you can check it – it is the profit of the holding company plus their share of the subsidiaries profit – but, again, it is wasting time unnecessarily.)
I dont understand why we deduct $28000 because l thought 3/4 of that sale has already been sold outside the group .l also thought 3/4 of $28000 contains profit that has already been realised .why are we dealing with $28000 when its only $7000 with unrealised profits .please correct me.
The unrealised profit is only calculated on the 7,000 that is left in inventory.
However separately all the sales between the two companies are subtracted from both total purchases and total sales, so we are only showing total sales outside the group and total purchases from outside the group.
Dear John Why in the ACCA specimen exam Section B 1 while calculating the non-controlling interest the PURP is not deducted, while in this lecture it is deducted? Thank you.
Thank you for the lectures and the entire content on your site! It is a pleasure studying with you 馃檪
Regarding the this lecture, I have a question regarding the sales tax – If we reduce the profit like in the example, wouldn’t that reduce the income tax we owe to the government? Because, it should be a percentage of our profit before tax?
There are special tax rules for groups of companies, but these are not examinable until Paper F6. You will not be asked about any taxes in consolidation questions in Paper F3 馃檪
In relation to the consolidate income statement expample 3. On the non controlling interest if p had sold items to S and one quarter of the goods remained in S books. Would this still result on an unrealised gain in the non controlling interest?
Your lectures and notes have tremendously been helpful to me a lot. You are one of the amazing accounting teachers ever! Thanks for your hard work and efforts in helping accountancy students. May God bless you, your family and your work!
The question says that the mark-up that S charged when selling to P was 40%.
In the consolidated statement we only want to show the profit that has been earned by the group on sales made outside the group. Those goods that remain in P’s inventory have not been sold outside the group and therefore the profit S recorded on the sale of those goods needs to be removed. The calculation of this unrealised profit is the normal workings for mark-ups (have you watched the earlier lecture on mark-ups and margins?). To reduce the group profit by this PURP, we simply increase the cost of sales by the amount (which then reduces the final profit).
Hi Sir, I am a bit confused why P’s cost of sales include the whole amount of $28000 while the only amount of the cost of the year was 3/4 of $28000=$2100, why we don’t reduce only $2100 as it’s only related for the year. Many thanks.
Hi! Thanks very much for the videos, they saved me! I didnt get one thing, if S sells P goods for 28000, and if 1/4 of them were not sold, does not it imply that 7000 is a cost of inventory?
I mean for P now the cost of inventory it bought was 28000, and does not 40% of mark up that was mentioned refers to S(!) ?
Why then we used 40% of mark up calculating P’s inventory?
If you follow the link below, then you will find lectures where I work through all of the questions in the specimen exam. I think that will sort out your problem 馃檪
The ACCA’s specimen exam is very helpful because it is in the same format as the real exam and the questions are of exam standard.
However, obviously the questions are different in every exam and so you can never have enough practice. That is why we have little tests after each chapter of our free lecture notes, and also an online mock exam of our own. In addition, you must buy a current edition of a Revision Kit from one of the ACCA approved publishers because they contain lots of exam standard questions to practice on.
Candicesays
Hi sir i’m a bit lost as to how you worked x to be 5000. Can you explain it to me again? Thanks.
The profit is 40% of cost, so for every 100 cost, the profit is 40 and therefore the selling price is 140. Or, putting it the other way round, for every 140 selling price, the cost is 100.
So for a selling price of 7,000 (the price of what is left in inventory), then profit is 100/140 x 7,000 = 5,000 (and the profit is therefore 2,000).
(I assume that you have watched the earlier lecture on mark-ups and margins?)
Because by removing the PURP from the closing inventory we are valuing it at cost to the group. Reducing the closing inventory increases the cost of sales and gives the cost of sales from outside the group.
(In addition, we have to do it this way because the accounting standard tells us to 馃檪 )
Good day sir, if I understand properly we can get the answer using a different method from yours? 40/140=0.285714285*(28000)=8000 28000+8000=36000 36000-28000=8000 profit. 8000*1/4=2000 unrealised profit which is in the inventory.
Revenue:(120+110-36)= 194000 C.O.S: (55+50-36+2)= (71000) Gross profit: 123000 Expenses: (19000) PBT 104000 Income Tax: (34000) Profit for the year: 70000
But what you have done is wrong (even though the final profit is the same).
The question says that the goods were sold from S to P for 28,000 including the mark-up. Therefore the total revenue and the total cost of sales both should be reduced by 28,000 (the sale price) and not by 36,000 as you have done.
Maybe it’s just me who doesn’t get it. Sorry in advance if this is the case. However, if we have to calculate a 40% mark-up (on cost) from 28,000 sales, isn’t the gross profit equal 8,000 instead of 7,000.
It was a bit late and I was a little tired. Apologize for taking your time and thank you for a quick reply. Yes, I thought I read that it was 40% of inventories that remained unsold. However, the question clearly states it was one quarter instead. My mistake! Thank you!
If we are preparing both the consolidated balance sheet and income statement, how are we going to reflect the unrealized profit on the inventory(inter entity transaction)? Because if we already adjusted the unrealized profit on the consolidated income statement, the consolidated balance sheet would automatically be adusted (retained earnings). But how about the inventory account? Because our procedure in reflecting the unrealized profit was to increase COS?
In the Statement of financial position, the PURP is removed from the value of the inventory and removed from the retained earnings of the company that sold the goods to the company holding them at the year end.
In the Statement of profit or loss, the profit is reduced by the PURP (and achieved by increasing the cost of sales), which automatically reduces the retained earnings (and therefore ‘matches’ with the Statement of financial position.
There is no consolidated inventory account. There are only two companies with t-accounts – the parent and the subsidiary. There is no such thing as a consolidated company with its own t-accounts. The preparation of consolidated statements is simply an exercise at the end of the year using the statements of the two individual companies. The inventory accounts in the individual companies are not affected by PURP and their individual statements are not changed in any sense.
tauqeer1996 says
Sir At 11.19 why do we add PURP is Cost of sales? ,….can we not simply deduct PURP from Gross profit?
tauqeer1996 says
Also Sir if P sells to S… apart from adding PURP to cost of sales… from where will the PURP be deducted ?Either from Movement on R.E or Share holders of P?
John Moffat says
We add it to the cost of sales because that it what the accounting standard tells us to do!!!
Adding it to the cost of sales reduces the group profit (and therefore the retained earnings and total equity), and we also reduce the value of the groups inventory as I explain in the earlier lectures.
marghe says
Hi John. I don’t understand why we deduct 28,000 from costs of sales.
Cost of sales does not include profit so why are we deducting 28,000 which includes the profit ?
Thanks
marghe says
Oh I got it sorry.. stupid question 馃檪
agar123 says
Sir, are there any examples where the parent sells goods to subsidiary.
lenamisiri says
Without balancing from profit of 70,000. example2 chapter 24. May you calculate profit attributable to parent?
John Moffat says
It is wasting time to check it – the accounting standard specifically has it as the balancing figure. (Obviously you can check it – it is the profit of the holding company plus their share of the subsidiaries profit – but, again, it is wasting time unnecessarily.)
John Moffat says
There is no need for an extra example. I explain in the lecture what the rule is 馃檪
Petronella says
I dont understand why we deduct $28000 because l thought 3/4 of that sale has already been sold outside the group .l also thought 3/4 of $28000 contains profit that has already been realised .why are we dealing with $28000 when its only $7000 with unrealised profits .please correct me.
John Moffat says
I think you need to watch again.
The unrealised profit is only calculated on the 7,000 that is left in inventory.
However separately all the sales between the two companies are subtracted from both total purchases and total sales, so we are only showing total sales outside the group and total purchases from outside the group.
Petronella says
Thank you so much John for the correction .l do get it now .Your lectures are so helpful
John Moffat says
You are welcome, and thank you for your comment 馃檪
loukasierides says
Dear Sir,
I just passed F4 yesterday and Thursday i will definitely do well in F3. Your help was invaluable see you in F7 and F9 soon!
John Moffat says
Thats great – congratulations 馃檪
pavelpavlovmsc says
Dear John
Why in the ACCA specimen exam Section B 1 while calculating the non-controlling interest the PURP is not deducted, while in this lecture it is deducted? Thank you.
pavelpavlovmsc says
oh, sorry I think I got it: in the specimen exam it is P who sells to S
John Moffat says
That’s correct 馃檪
Evgeni says
Hello Mr. Moffat,
Thank you for the lectures and the entire content on your site! It is a pleasure studying
with you 馃檪
Regarding the this lecture, I have a question regarding the sales tax – If we reduce the
profit like in the example, wouldn’t that reduce the income tax we owe to the government?
Because, it should be a percentage of our profit before tax?
John Moffat says
Thank you for your comment 馃檪
There are special tax rules for groups of companies, but these are not examinable until Paper F6. You will not be asked about any taxes in consolidation questions in Paper F3 馃檪
b10tomling says
John
In relation to the consolidate income statement expample 3. On the non controlling interest if p had sold items to S and one quarter of the goods remained in S books. Would this still result on an unrealised gain in the non controlling interest?
Many thanks
John Moffat says
No. There is an unrealised gain but if P sold the goods to S then it reduces P’s profit and therefore their retained earnings.
(I assume you are watching the lectures and not trying to use the notes on their own, which would be silly 馃檪 )
yanlee says
HI Sir,
Can I use a different method as per below to derive the answer?
Cost = 20,000 x 1/4 = 5000
Profit = 8,000 x 1/4 = 2,000
SP= 28,000 x 1/4 = 7,000
Consol I/S
Revenue (120+110-7) = 223,000
COS (55+50-5) = 100,000
GP = 123,000
Expenses. = 19,000
Profit b4 tax. = 104,000
Tax. = 34,000
Profit. = 70,000
John Moffat says
No – the accounting standard requires it to be shown as I have done.
santisouk says
Your lectures and notes have tremendously been helpful to me a lot.
You are one of the amazing accounting teachers ever!
Thanks for your hard work and efforts in helping accountancy students.
May God bless you, your family and your work!
John Moffat says
Thank you very much for your comment 馃檪
marken says
Hi Sir I cant understand the part where you worked the x to be 5000 and then the working you did after.. can you explain in detail please?
John Moffat says
The question says that the mark-up that S charged when selling to P was 40%.
In the consolidated statement we only want to show the profit that has been earned by the group on sales made outside the group. Those goods that remain in P’s inventory have not been sold outside the group and therefore the profit S recorded on the sale of those goods needs to be removed.
The calculation of this unrealised profit is the normal workings for mark-ups (have you watched the earlier lecture on mark-ups and margins?). To reduce the group profit by this PURP, we simply increase the cost of sales by the amount (which then reduces the final profit).
stephaniemoe says
I had done well with consolidated group account questions and I got 93 marks in F3 paper. Thank you very much OpenTuition 馃檪
John Moffat says
Thank you for your comment, and many congratulations on getting such a good mark 馃檪
josephmikhael says
Hi Sir, I am a bit confused why P’s cost of sales include the whole amount of $28000 while the only amount of the cost of the year was 3/4 of $28000=$2100, why we don’t reduce only $2100 as it’s only related for the year. Many thanks.
sabina1717 says
Hi! Thanks very much for the videos, they saved me!
I didnt get one thing, if S sells P goods for 28000, and if 1/4 of them were not sold, does not it imply that 7000 is a cost of inventory?
I mean for P now the cost of inventory it bought was 28000, and does not 40% of mark up that was mentioned refers to S(!) ?
Why then we used 40% of mark up calculating P’s inventory?
paomayin says
Thanks John for this great job.
Please I want you to explain the solution to Section B question 1 C of the specimen exam applicable from June 2014.
The answer given there is $80,000 ($400,000×20%)
I thought it should be $50,000 ($400,000 – $150,000)x20% since $150,000 is the unrealized profit.
Thank you
John Moffat says
Thank you for your comment 馃檪
If you follow the link below, then you will find lectures where I work through all of the questions in the specimen exam. I think that will sort out your problem 馃檪
https://opentuition.com/acca/f3/acca-f3-revision/
paomayin says
Thanks I will do just that. Sir how helpful are these specimen exams? At what point can one be confident to pass the real exam?
John Moffat says
The ACCA’s specimen exam is very helpful because it is in the same format as the real exam and the questions are of exam standard.
However, obviously the questions are different in every exam and so you can never have enough practice. That is why we have little tests after each chapter of our free lecture notes, and also an online mock exam of our own.
In addition, you must buy a current edition of a Revision Kit from one of the ACCA approved publishers because they contain lots of exam standard questions to practice on.
Candice says
Hi sir i’m a bit lost as to how you worked x to be 5000. Can you explain it to me again? Thanks.
John Moffat says
The profit is 40% of cost, so for every 100 cost, the profit is 40 and therefore the selling price is 140.
Or, putting it the other way round, for every 140 selling price, the cost is 100.
So for a selling price of 7,000 (the price of what is left in inventory), then profit is 100/140 x 7,000 = 5,000 (and the profit is therefore 2,000).
(I assume that you have watched the earlier lecture on mark-ups and margins?)
Candice says
Thanks alot….
alfred644g says
I have a question.Why can’t less the profit with 2000 pounds instead of adding it up to the cost of sales in example 3.
John Moffat says
Because by removing the PURP from the closing inventory we are valuing it at cost to the group. Reducing the closing inventory increases the cost of sales and gives the cost of sales from outside the group.
(In addition, we have to do it this way because the accounting standard tells us to 馃檪 )
Thierry says
Good day sir, if I understand properly we can get the answer using a different method from yours?
40/140=0.285714285*(28000)=8000
28000+8000=36000
36000-28000=8000 profit.
8000*1/4=2000 unrealised profit which is in the inventory.
Revenue:(120+110-36)= 194000
C.O.S: (55+50-36+2)= (71000)
Gross profit: 123000
Expenses: (19000)
PBT 104000
Income Tax: (34000)
Profit for the year: 70000
John Moffat says
But what you have done is wrong (even though the final profit is the same).
The question says that the goods were sold from S to P for 28,000 including the mark-up.
Therefore the total revenue and the total cost of sales both should be reduced by 28,000 (the sale price) and not by 36,000 as you have done.
Thierry says
Thanks sir will definitely follow your way, many thanks.
Dragan says
Maybe it’s just me who doesn’t get it. Sorry in advance if this is the case. However, if we have to calculate a 40% mark-up (on cost) from 28,000 sales, isn’t the gross profit equal 8,000 instead of 7,000.
Sales (140%) 28,000
Cost of sales (100%) 20,000
Gross profit (40%) 8,000
Unrealized profit = 8,000 x 40% = 3,200
John Moffat says
I do not say anywhere that the profit is 7,000 – you were not watching carefully enough!
I said that 1/4 of the sales is sales of 7,000 and that the profit included in the 7,000 is 2,000.
You worked out the profit first, which would have been fine except that 1/4 of profit of $8,000 does not equal $3,200 – it equals $2,000.
Sanchez says
Hi, Its okay to do it these way? 28000/ 140*100= 20000*0.40=8000.
John Moffat says
Different ways are always OK provided the give the correct answer!!
Dragan says
It was a bit late and I was a little tired. Apologize for taking your time and thank you for a quick reply. Yes, I thought I read that it was 40% of inventories that remained unsold. However, the question clearly states it was one quarter instead. My mistake! Thank you!
Liza says
Hi!
If we are preparing both the consolidated balance sheet and income statement, how are we going to reflect the unrealized profit on the inventory(inter entity transaction)? Because if we already adjusted the unrealized profit on the consolidated income statement, the consolidated balance sheet would automatically be adusted (retained earnings). But how about the inventory account? Because our procedure in reflecting the unrealized profit was to increase COS?
Many thanks!
Liza
John Moffat says
In the Statement of financial position, the PURP is removed from the value of the inventory and removed from the retained earnings of the company that sold the goods to the company holding them at the year end.
In the Statement of profit or loss, the profit is reduced by the PURP (and achieved by increasing the cost of sales), which automatically reduces the retained earnings (and therefore ‘matches’ with the Statement of financial position.
There is no consolidated inventory account. There are only two companies with t-accounts – the parent and the subsidiary. There is no such thing as a consolidated company with its own t-accounts. The preparation of consolidated statements is simply an exercise at the end of the year using the statements of the two individual companies.
The inventory accounts in the individual companies are not affected by PURP and their individual statements are not changed in any sense.