The disposal account is there in order to be able to calculate the profit or loss on disposal.
The account itself is not classified under any headings. The profit or loss on disposal appears in the Statement of profit or loss under the heading expenses (as is explained in the lectures).
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GOOD DAY SIR I DNT KNW IF ITS JUST ME BUT I DIDNT GET 800 CAN U EXPLAIN TO ME PLS HOW U COME BY IT . CAUSE WEN I TOOK 7700-6500 I GOT 1200 N NOT 800. SO NOW IM A BIT CONFUSE PLS HELP
I really do not know why you should want to subtract 6,500 from 7,700!!
On the debit side is 15,000 and on the credit side is 7,700 and 6,500. The missing figure to make both sides add up to 15,000 is 800.
I do suggest that you watch the lecture again. I assume you have watched all the previous lectures – if not then you should, there is no point in just watching one lecture on its own.
Thank you Mr Moffat for your thorough explanations. Today I learnt something new by reading through some of the comments here. I had also been used to the profit on sale being listed under other income on the income statement. Even though it has the same effect having it as negative expense under expenses at the end of it all, your explanation about depreciation having been over or under charged makes a lot of sense.
Hi! In the sale of noncurrent asset (example 4), can we just have a compound entry ( debit Accumulated depreciation, debit cash, debit loss on sale and credit car) instead of creating the disposal account?
In practice you can certainly have a “compound entry”, although it is more normal to create a separate disposal account (especially if there are lots of separate disposals during the year).
For the exam it is largely irrelevant anyway because there is not much testing of debits and credits. However, to be safe do make sure you are aware of the disposal account just in case it is mentioned.
It would still be under expenses, but would appear as a negative expense.
(The reason is that a profit or loss on sale occurs because the depreciation that had been charged in previous years was either more or less than it would have been if we had known in advance exactly how much we would sell the asset for. So….the profit or loss on sale is really a ‘correction’ to the depreciation charges.)
Whereas a loss on sale means less profit and it listed as one of our expenses, a profit on sale means more profit.
However we still show it in the list of expenses, but show it as a negative figure. So, instead of increasing the total of the expenses (which it would if it was a loss), because it is a negative figure it reduced the total of the expenses.
Jamessays
Hi John, Would the sale of the car ($6,500) show up as an extra item on the Balance sheet – or is it just that the cash would show an increase in current assets?
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i cant understand the entries about revaluation nof an asset and disposal of non current asset .please can u help me about this .i am struggling about this but have no solution
@mel2000, Helllo ! 馃檪 the extract is through the total net profit (from income statement) to SOFP under Capital & Liabilities section. The NCA-CAR will disappear from the SOFP.
aliahmar says
Dear Sir
Why do we open a disposal account when we are selling off our NCA???
In What heading under disposal account is classified??
John Moffat says
The disposal account is there in order to be able to calculate the profit or loss on disposal.
The account itself is not classified under any headings. The profit or loss on disposal appears in the Statement of profit or loss under the heading expenses (as is explained in the lectures).
saif says
Good evening sir. Sir I qualified PIPFA Pakistan institute of public finance accountant. Sir still your lectures are very very good .i really gain knowledge from it. Sir from depth of my heart ? I appreciate your lectures and study material
rustamrakhmatov27 says
Sir,
loss/gain on disposal is just NBV – scrap value? is that right?
John Moffat says
Yes (although it is any sale proceeds rather than scrap value – selling it does not always mean that you are scrapping it).
carla says
GOOD DAY SIR I DNT KNW IF ITS JUST ME BUT I DIDNT GET 800 CAN U EXPLAIN TO ME PLS HOW U COME BY IT . CAUSE WEN I TOOK 7700-6500 I GOT 1200 N NOT 800. SO NOW IM A BIT CONFUSE PLS HELP
John Moffat says
Please do not write in capital letters.
I really do not know why you should want to subtract 6,500 from 7,700!!
On the debit side is 15,000 and on the credit side is 7,700 and 6,500. The missing figure to make both sides add up to 15,000 is 800.
I do suggest that you watch the lecture again. I assume you have watched all the previous lectures – if not then you should, there is no point in just watching one lecture on its own.
pris43 says
Thank you Mr Moffat for your thorough explanations. Today I learnt something new by reading through some of the comments here. I had also been used to the profit on sale being listed under other income on the income statement. Even though it has the same effect having it as negative expense under expenses at the end of it all, your explanation about depreciation having been over or under charged makes a lot of sense.
Liza says
Hi!
In the sale of noncurrent asset (example 4), can we just have a compound entry ( debit Accumulated depreciation, debit cash, debit loss on sale and credit car) instead of creating the disposal account?
Many thanks!
John Moffat says
In practice you can certainly have a “compound entry”, although it is more normal to create a separate disposal account (especially if there are lots of separate disposals during the year).
For the exam it is largely irrelevant anyway because there is not much testing of debits and credits. However, to be safe do make sure you are aware of the disposal account just in case it is mentioned.
Xaliq says
Great explanation,thank you very much 馃檪
richard says
Hi there,
Firstly i would just like to say what great help these videos and the other material you offer is.
In this video you mention about a book with more information. What is the book or text you are referring too?
mor112 says
if it was a profit on sale – where on the income statement would it be??
John Moffat says
It would still be under expenses, but would appear as a negative expense.
(The reason is that a profit or loss on sale occurs because the depreciation that had been charged in previous years was either more or less than it would have been if we had known in advance exactly how much we would sell the asset for. So….the profit or loss on sale is really a ‘correction’ to the depreciation charges.)
Kings says
Please can you explain more what you mean by a negative expense if it was a profit on the sale of the car
John Moffat says
Whereas a loss on sale means less profit and it listed as one of our expenses, a profit on sale means more profit.
However we still show it in the list of expenses, but show it as a negative figure. So, instead of increasing the total of the expenses (which it would if it was a loss), because it is a negative figure it reduced the total of the expenses.
James says
Hi John,
Would the sale of the car ($6,500) show up as an extra item on the Balance sheet – or is it just that the cash would show an increase in current assets?
John Moffat says
The Statement of financial position only shows assets, liabilities and capital.
Since the car no longer belongs to the company, it can not appear on the Statement.
What will appear is a higher cash balance (or higher receivables it if was sold on credit) than would otherwise have appeared.
James says
Thanks, that makes perfect sense 馃檪
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malikrauf says
i cant understand the entries about revaluation nof an asset and disposal of non current asset .please can u help me about this .i am struggling about this but have no solution
John Moffat says
I do go through the entries in the lecture (and the answers to the examples are at the back of the Course Notes).
If you say which bit of it is causing the problem then I will do my best to help.
Mark says
11:57 Is that right or am i doing something wrong?
Disposal Acc
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How did you get 1700??? Isit not 800 — – 15,000 – 6500-7700 ???
Mark says
Sorry, — My mistake, I should post after the video — Sorry
Mohammad Ibrahim says
@Admin is there any lecture for revaluation of asset for f3?
John Moffat says
Look in the chapter on company accounts
m1n2b3v says
awesome
winniemirage2010 says
where can i find the question to this solution.Thanks
nhs14 says
Same with me!!! I even do work on Friday evenings!!!
Miss A.. says
too good:)
malkyrox says
Amazing clarity!!
Thank you!
tahsin143543 says
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Miss A.. says
@tahsin143543, me too
nhs14 says
@tahsin143543, Same with me!!! I even do work on Friday evenings!!!
mel2000 says
You have shown the Income Statement Extract but i would like to see the Statement of Financial Position extract for this question please.
alifgan says
@mel2000, Helllo ! 馃檪 the extract is through the total net profit (from income statement) to SOFP under Capital & Liabilities section. The NCA-CAR will disappear from the SOFP.
alifgan says
@alifgan, its Disappear because its not Melns asset anymore.
mkaur89 says
thanks for answering this I was wondering the same thing, but now I get it 馃檪