Can you help m on this. Do we subtract ‘scrap value’ from the initial cost of an NCA to find the accumulated depreciation of, lets say 3 yrs, using reducing balance method, to find the profit/loss on disposal?
Because theres one question in kaplan regarding profit/loss on disposal, and the solution given didnt subtract the scrap value?? I jst wanna be sure 馃檪
If you watch the previous lectures on depreciation, you will see that we take account of the expected scrap value when calculating depreciation using the straight line method. However, when using the reducing balance method we do not take account of any expected scrap value in the calculation.
I say at the end of this lecture, that I explain revaluations in the lectures on limited companies (because revaluations are only relevant for limited companies – not for sole traders).
Yes – provided that you watch all of the lectures and that you also buy a Revision Kit from one of the ACCA approved publishers (they contain lots of exam-standard questions to practice, and practice is vital to passing the exam).
There are no books just of past ACCA exams. The Revision Kits contain lots of past questions as well as other exam-standard questions.
You only need the notes and a Revision Kit (provided that you are not just using the notes on their own but at watching the free lectures that go with them as well).
aminanuur8210says
Hi. your lectures are wonderful and helped me thank you. I am using the revision kits and i couldn’t understand this question, can you please help me to explain….
(The trucks account (at cost) of a business for the year ended 31 December 20×1 was as flow.
20×1 20×1 $ $ 1jan blance 240,000 31 mar disposal account 60,000 30june cash-purchase of van 160,000 31 dec blance 340,000 400,000 400,000
Brought forward accumulated depreciation at 1 January was 115,000.The truck disposed of on 31 March had a carrying value of $ 20,000. The company麓s policy is to charge depreciation at 20% per year on reducing balance, and charge a full year麓s years depreciation in the year of acquisition and non in the year of disposal). What should be the depreciation charge for the year ended 31 December 20×1 A $68,000 B $57,000 C $53,000 D $21,000
Please ask this question in the Ask the Tutor Forum, and not as a comment on a lecture.
charshortsays
Hi John, would we put any gains from the disposal in the P & L Statement under revenue (but keeping it as a separate category under revenue)? Or in the case of a loss from disposal, put it in the P & L Statement as a disposal expense/loss? Sorry if my question doesn’t make sense, im just getting started with accountancy!
No – you show it under ‘expenses’. If it is a loss then it adds in to the other expenses. If it is a gain then you put brackets round it and it reduced the total of the other expenses. (This is because really there is only a gain or loss because the depreciation had not been ‘perfect’ and so it is in a sense correcting the depreciation expenses in the past.)
Hi Mr John, I need your help to solve this question: accounting year end 30th June, it purchased an item of plant on 1 April 2005 at cost of $15000,at the date of purchase, the item of plant and equipment had an estimated useful life to the business of five years and an estimated residual value of $2000’This item of plant was traded in for a replacement item on 30 September 2008 at an agreed valuation of $5000.it has been depreciated at 20 percent per annum on a straight line basis, with a pro rated charge in the year of acquisition and disposal. Calculate profit or loss on disposal of the item of plant.
You must ask questions like this in the Ask the Tutor Forum, and not as a comment on a lecture. (Also, there must be an answer in the same book in which you found the question, and so you should ask about whatever it is in the answer that you are not clear about – don’t simply expect a full answer to a test question.)
If you look at the contents page on the Lecture Notes you will find the answers to tests are listed.
The answer is A. The 88,200 is carried forward to the opposite side so we end up with a debit balance (you should watch the earlier lectures on double entry bookkeeping).
At 1 January 2005, Mary has a motor vehicles which cost $15000. On 31 august 2005 she sells a motor vehicle for $5000 which had originally cost $8000 and which had a CV of $4000 at the date of disposal. She purchased a new motor vehicle which cost $10000 on 30 November 2005.
Her policy is to depreciate motor vehicles at a rate of 25%pa on the straight line basis, based on the number of months ownership.
What is the depreciation charge for the year ended 31 December 2005?
1 jan 2000 krin bought a machine 70000. estimated useful life 7 years. and a residual of 7000. two years later the useful life was revised to three remaining years and at 31 december 2003 machine was sold for 30000.
what was the profit on disposal? how do you go about this one?
Initially, the annual depreciation was (70000 – 7000) / 7 = 9,000 a year.
So the value after 2 years (i.e. the end of 2001) will have been 70,000 – (2 x 9000) = 52,000.
The remaining life is revised to 3 years (and the residual value is still 7000 because we are not told different). So the new depreciation will be (52000 – 7000) / 3 = 15,000 a year.
So….at the end of 2003 (which is 2 more years) the value will be 52000 – (2 x 15000) = 22000.
It was sold for 30000, and so there is a profit on sale of 30000 – 22000 = 8000.
Kindly shed for more light on the answer for this question sir, The plant and machinery acc at cost of a business for the yr ended 31 Dec 2008 is as follows, Jan 1 balance. 240000 31 March transfer disposal acc 80000 30 June ,cash purchase of plant 160000 31 Dec balance,340000
Depreciation – 20% per annum on straight line basis with proportionate depreciation in the years of purchase and disposal
You have copied the question wrong – the disposal is 60,000 (not 80,000)
You can get the answer is several ways. If you don’t understand the answer at the back of the lecture notes, then maybe you will find this way easier:
The cost is 240,000 from 1 Jan to 31 March, 3 months. So the depreciation is 3/12 x 20% x 240,000 = 12,000 Then it falls to 180,000 (240,000 – 60,000) and stays at this from 1 Apr to 30 Jun, 3 months, So the depreciation is 3/12 x 20% x 180,000 = 9,000. Then it increases to 340,000 (180,000 + 160,000) and stays at this from 1 Jul to 31 Dec, 6 months. So the depreciation is 6/12 x 20% x 340,000 = 34,000
So the total depreciation is 12,000 + 9,000 + 34,000 = 55,000
If the ‘missing figure’ on the disposal account is on the other side then there is a profit on sale instead of a loss. This appears in the Statement of profit or loss as a negative cost and therefore increases the profit instead of decreases it.
khizranzehraa says
sir why did we take the loss on sale 1500 on the part where there is no charge of depreciation in the year of sale ?
khizranzehraa says
thank you sir got it 馃檪
John Moffat says
I am pleased that you have now got it 馃檪
mohsin17222 says
Hello John. According to your example I have passed mention below entries,
1. (DR) DEPRECIATION EXPENSE 700
(CR) ACCUMULATED DEPRECIATION EXPENSE 700
2. (DR) CASH PROCEEDS 6,500
(CR) DISPOSAL A/C 6,500
3. (DR) DISPOSAL A/C 15,000
(CR) CAR 15,000
4. (DR) ACCUMULATED DEPRECIATION 7,700
(CR) DISPOSAL 7,700
5. (DR) LOSS ON SALE 700
(CR) DISPOSAL 700
Please do correct my entries if i am wrong
Thank U.
Regards
SYED.
John Moffat says
They are correct, but why have you typed them out here?
They are all printed in the answers section of the free lecture notes 馃檪
arshadrzk07 says
Hi John,
Can you help m on this. Do we subtract ‘scrap value’ from the initial cost of an NCA to find the accumulated depreciation of, lets say 3 yrs, using reducing balance method, to find the profit/loss on disposal?
Thank you in advance.
arshadrzk07 says
Because theres one question in kaplan regarding profit/loss on disposal, and the solution given didnt subtract the scrap value?? I jst wanna be sure 馃檪
John Moffat says
If you watch the previous lectures on depreciation, you will see that we take account of the expected scrap value when calculating depreciation using the straight line method. However, when using the reducing balance method we do not take account of any expected scrap value in the calculation.
arshadrzk07 says
Thanks a lot! Youre definitely an amazing lecturer, not to mention that open tuition is FOC! bless you
John Moffat says
You are welcome, and thank you for the comment 馃檪
mariaregina says
Sir, I鈥檓 sorry but why can鈥檛 I find the lecture for example 5 for this chapter? 馃檨 can you please help and upload it?
John Moffat says
I say at the end of this lecture, that I explain revaluations in the lectures on limited companies (because revaluations are only relevant for limited companies – not for sole traders).
ashish1991 says
Sir
i jusr want to ask that is study material provided by opentutuion will be sufficient to clear paper f3
John Moffat says
Yes – provided that you watch all of the lectures and that you also buy a Revision Kit from one of the ACCA approved publishers (they contain lots of exam-standard questions to practice, and practice is vital to passing the exam).
ashish1991 says
sir sholud i also purchase the books of acca papers or shoud continue with notes and rivision kit
John Moffat says
There are no books just of past ACCA exams. The Revision Kits contain lots of past questions as well as other exam-standard questions.
You only need the notes and a Revision Kit (provided that you are not just using the notes on their own but at watching the free lectures that go with them as well).
aminanuur8210 says
Hi.
your lectures are wonderful and helped me thank you. I am using the revision kits and i couldn’t understand this question, can you please help me to explain….
(The trucks account (at cost) of a business for the year ended 31 December 20×1 was as flow.
20×1 20×1
$ $
1jan blance 240,000 31 mar disposal account 60,000
30june cash-purchase of van 160,000 31 dec blance 340,000
400,000 400,000
Brought forward accumulated depreciation at 1 January was 115,000.The truck disposed of on 31 March had a carrying value of $ 20,000.
The company麓s policy is to charge depreciation at 20% per year on reducing balance, and charge a full year麓s years depreciation in the year of acquisition and non in the year of disposal).
What should be the depreciation charge for the year ended 31 December 20×1
A $68,000
B $57,000
C $53,000
D $21,000
John Moffat says
Please ask this question in the Ask the Tutor Forum, and not as a comment on a lecture.
charshort says
Hi John, would we put any gains from the disposal in the P & L Statement under revenue (but keeping it as a separate category under revenue)? Or in the case of a loss from disposal, put it in the P & L Statement as a disposal expense/loss? Sorry if my question doesn’t make sense, im just getting started with accountancy!
charshort says
Sorry I mean ‘Statement of Financial Position’ not P & L.
charshort says
Opps, i mean SOPL not SOFP. I need to get used to the names of these statements!! Sorry :-O
John Moffat says
No – you show it under ‘expenses’. If it is a loss then it adds in to the other expenses. If it is a gain then you put brackets round it and it reduced the total of the other expenses.
(This is because really there is only a gain or loss because the depreciation had not been ‘perfect’ and so it is in a sense correcting the depreciation expenses in the past.)
hadiraza982 says
Hi Mr John,
I need your help to solve this question:
accounting year end 30th June, it purchased an item of plant on 1 April 2005 at cost of $15000,at the date of purchase, the item of plant and equipment had an estimated useful life to the business of five years and an estimated residual value of $2000’This item of plant was traded in for a replacement item on 30 September 2008 at an agreed valuation of $5000.it has been depreciated at 20 percent per annum on a straight line basis, with a pro rated charge in the year of acquisition and disposal. Calculate profit or loss on disposal of the item of plant.
John Moffat says
You must ask questions like this in the Ask the Tutor Forum, and not as a comment on a lecture.
(Also, there must be an answer in the same book in which you found the question, and so you should ask about whatever it is in the answer that you are not clear about – don’t simply expect a full answer to a test question.)
firangiz says
Can you please tell me where to find correct answers to the questions given in the Notes?
is question 3 is C on page 45? – $ 88 200 CR.
John Moffat says
If you look at the contents page on the Lecture Notes you will find the answers to tests are listed.
The answer is A. The 88,200 is carried forward to the opposite side so we end up with a debit balance (you should watch the earlier lectures on double entry bookkeeping).
abrizni10 says
Sir can you please help me out with this?
At 1 January 2005, Mary has a motor vehicles which cost $15000. On 31 august 2005 she sells a motor vehicle for $5000 which had originally cost $8000 and which had a CV of $4000 at the date of disposal. She purchased a new motor vehicle which cost $10000 on 30 November 2005.
Her policy is to depreciate motor vehicles at a rate of 25%pa on the straight line basis, based on the number of months ownership.
What is the depreciation charge for the year ended 31 December 2005?
John Moffat says
You must ask this question in the Paper F3 Ask the Tutor Forum, and not as a comment on a lecture.
chadz3437564 says
question 4.
1 jan 2000 krin bought a machine 70000. estimated useful life 7 years. and a residual of 7000. two years later the useful life was revised to three remaining years and at 31 december 2003 machine was sold for 30000.
what was the profit on disposal?
how do you go about this one?
John Moffat says
Initially, the annual depreciation was (70000 – 7000) / 7 = 9,000 a year.
So the value after 2 years (i.e. the end of 2001) will have been 70,000 – (2 x 9000) = 52,000.
The remaining life is revised to 3 years (and the residual value is still 7000 because we are not told different). So the new depreciation will be (52000 – 7000) / 3 = 15,000 a year.
So….at the end of 2003 (which is 2 more years) the value will be 52000 – (2 x 15000) = 22000.
It was sold for 30000, and so there is a profit on sale of 30000 – 22000 = 8000.
mamzy says
Absolutely! This method is a lot easier. Thank you sir
mamzy says
Kindly shed for more light on the answer for this question sir,
The plant and machinery acc at cost of a business for the yr ended 31 Dec 2008 is as follows,
Jan 1 balance. 240000
31 March transfer disposal acc 80000
30 June ,cash purchase of plant 160000
31 Dec balance,340000
Depreciation – 20% per annum on straight line basis with proportionate depreciation in the years of purchase and disposal
John Moffat says
You have copied the question wrong – the disposal is 60,000 (not 80,000)
You can get the answer is several ways. If you don’t understand the answer at the back of the lecture notes, then maybe you will find this way easier:
The cost is 240,000 from 1 Jan to 31 March, 3 months. So the depreciation is 3/12 x 20% x 240,000 = 12,000
Then it falls to 180,000 (240,000 – 60,000) and stays at this from 1 Apr to 30 Jun, 3 months, So the depreciation is 3/12 x 20% x 180,000 = 9,000.
Then it increases to 340,000 (180,000 + 160,000) and stays at this from 1 Jul to 31 Dec, 6 months. So the depreciation is 6/12 x 20% x 340,000 = 34,000
So the total depreciation is 12,000 + 9,000 + 34,000 = 55,000
chadz3437564 says
thank u
John Moffat says
You are welcome 馃檪
storm says
sir, i did not understand why you subtracted 240000- 60000 please explain
John Moffat says
Because there are disposals of 60.000
persaud says
so sir if we had a gain
John Moffat says
If the ‘missing figure’ on the disposal account is on the other side then there is a profit on sale instead of a loss.
This appears in the Statement of profit or loss as a negative cost and therefore increases the profit instead of decreases it.