I have a qstn. In example 2 (a), for finding the overhead absorption rate, why did they divide the fixed o/h with the budgeted hours (i.e: 320,000/80,000)?
I thought we were suppose to divide the actual o/h by the budgeted hours (i.e 315,500/80,000) to get the the OAR.
I have a question (the only one it seems) on example 2. The budgeted absorption should be 80,000 units and $320,000. For a) we are looking at an average absorption of $4 as it’s 80,000/$320,000. However, for b), I’m confused. Why are we looking at the absorption $ amount resulting from 78,000 hours and not for the budget 80,000 hours? i.e 320,000(budgeted) – 312,000 (actual).
Why then in example 1, do we use the original budgeted number of units no matter the units produced? It doesn’t work the same?
In example 1 we are preparing budgets and therefore assume that the total fixed overheads will be as originally budgeted, whatever the production is each month.
In example 2, we are looking at what actually happened and the actual total fixed overheads are different from what was originally budgeted.
Sir in February, fixed over heads were (9500X$2=$19000) lesser than budgeted fixed overhead of $20,000. how come you deducted the statement by under absorption of $1000 again. hasn’t the $1000 already been deducted? By sales of ( $402500 less total expenses of $256500=$146000). And Sir is always that the statement is only affected by fixed over and under absorption or should we look out for differences in any of the expenses?
Hi, first of all thank you for putting these lectures up, they are really helping me as i am learning from home! I wanted to ask, i see that depending on whether one uses Absorption or Marginal costing, ones arrives at a different profit figure, but why is this? I understand that the fixed costs are factored in at different part of the workings, but shouldn’t this even out? When we subtract the fixed production costs at the end of marginal costing, shouldn’t this be equal to a higher level of production cost being subtracted from the sales figure (and the over/under absorption amendment) in absorption costing as the data we are using is the same? I hope this makes sense, thanks again 🙂
But I do explain at the end of the lecture on marginal costing – the only reason for the difference is the way that inventory is valued. With absorption costing we include the fixed production overheads in the value of inventory (and therefore the fixed overheads are charged in the period that the goods are sold) wherever with marginal costing the fixed production overheads are not included in the value of the inventory – they are charged in full in the period incurred.
I do suggest that you watch the lecture on marginal costing again and the explanation of the difference between the profits.
I can’t help you unless you say what your problems are!
When you have watched all of the lectures on marginal and absorption costing then ask any specific problems in the Ask the Tutor Forum and I will try and help.
tatsiana88says
Lectures are so clear to understand. I think I can make a profit statement even in the middle of the night now 🙂 thank you very much! It is more interesting to study when you understand what are you doing 🙂
thank you for such useful lecture sir. Still I have a question to ask.
If the Actual Amount Absorbed = $22000, the Budget Amount Absorbed = $20000, isnt this is Under-Absorbed since the budget amount is less than the actual amount?
The actual total overheads are the same as the budget total – $20,000. The actual amount absorbed is $2 per unit produced and is therefore $22,000. The is $2,000 more than the actual total and therefore they have over-absorbed.
I have listed your lecture and read your your explain for above ashiq many times, I really still however confused and didn’t understand the fixed o/h adjustment part. I had some problem and need to your explain clearly: 1. Why you plus $2.000 into $72.000. was it double? because in my view, we had minus $2.000 in closing inventory. 2. The difference between actual and estimated production was 1.000 units, so why we din’t adjust fixeded o/h in cost card of $20.000/11.000unit = $1.82, not $2
We do not change the standard cost. Some months maybe we produce more and some months maybe we produce less. It would be silly to change the cost every month so we keep the same standard cost throughout.
1 The 2,000 was to correct for the fact that the actual overheads were 20,000 but we have absorbed (charged) 22,000 (11000 units at $2 each)/
can i know how we actually get the amount of $22000 for the amount of overheads absorbed? I’ve repeatly listen to the lecture but still can’t get for the amount of $22000
My apologies being new on the site i dont know how to edit my earlier query.
What i meant by above is my Cost of sales was not being charged with entire amount of FOH absorbed i.e 22,000. So to the Net Profit of 72000 if i am adding the entire amount of 2000 extra charged over budgeted, am i not over stating the profit earned to Managing Director for that month. Though i agree the next month this would get adjusted as it would form the opening Stock.
What you say is correct which is one of the reasons why there is the alternative of using marginal costing instead (although in the long term it makes no difference). (Although in financial accounting fixed overheads of production have to be included in the inventory value)
My apologies being new on the site i dont know how to edit my earlier query.
What i meant by above is my Cost of sales was not being charged with entire amount of FOH absorbed i.e 22,000. So to the Net Profit of 72000 if i am adding the entire amount of 2000 extra charged over budgeted, am i not over stating the profit earned to Managing Director for that month. Though i agree the next month this would get adjusted as it would form the opening Stock.
I don’t understand which bit you wish me to explain? You have downloaded the course notes (otherwise you would not be watching the lecture) and the answers are in there.
masuma1496 says
I have a qstn.
In example 2 (a), for finding the overhead absorption rate, why did they divide the fixed o/h with the budgeted hours (i.e: 320,000/80,000)?
I thought we were suppose to divide the actual o/h by the budgeted hours (i.e 315,500/80,000) to get the the OAR.
Please help.
TIA
John Moffat says
No – we get the standard absorption rate by dividing the budgeted overheads by the budgeted hours.
Have you not watched the earlier lectures on the absorption of overheads, because this is explained and stressed in the earlier lectures?
cfin says
I have a question (the only one it seems) on example 2. The budgeted absorption should be 80,000 units and $320,000. For a) we are looking at an average absorption of $4 as it’s 80,000/$320,000. However, for b), I’m confused. Why are we looking at the absorption $ amount resulting from 78,000 hours and not for the budget 80,000 hours? i.e 320,000(budgeted) – 312,000 (actual).
Why then in example 1, do we use the original budgeted number of units no matter the units produced? It doesn’t work the same?
cfin says
315,500 actual (typo)
John Moffat says
In example 1 we are preparing budgets and therefore assume that the total fixed overheads will be as originally budgeted, whatever the production is each month.
In example 2, we are looking at what actually happened and the actual total fixed overheads are different from what was originally budgeted.
cfin says
Thanks much
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
cindy7 says
Sir in February, fixed over heads were (9500X$2=$19000) lesser than budgeted fixed overhead of $20,000. how come you deducted the statement by under absorption of $1000 again. hasn’t the $1000 already been deducted? By sales of ( $402500 less total expenses of $256500=$146000). And Sir is always that the statement is only affected by fixed over and under absorption or should we look out for differences in any of the expenses?
John Moffat says
The actual overheads were $20,000 as budgeted.
The amount absorbed was only $19,000.
Therefore the overheads were under-absorbed by $1,000 and this means we need to reduce the profit by $1,000.
pvassallo says
Hi, first of all thank you for putting these lectures up, they are really helping me as i am learning from home! I wanted to ask, i see that depending on whether one uses Absorption or Marginal costing, ones arrives at a different profit figure, but why is this? I understand that the fixed costs are factored in at different part of the workings, but shouldn’t this even out? When we subtract the fixed production costs at the end of marginal costing, shouldn’t this be equal to a higher level of production cost being subtracted from the sales figure (and the over/under absorption amendment) in absorption costing as the data we are using is the same? I hope this makes sense, thanks again 🙂
John Moffat says
But I do explain at the end of the lecture on marginal costing – the only reason for the difference is the way that inventory is valued. With absorption costing we include the fixed production overheads in the value of inventory (and therefore the fixed overheads are charged in the period that the goods are sold) wherever with marginal costing the fixed production overheads are not included in the value of the inventory – they are charged in full in the period incurred.
I do suggest that you watch the lecture on marginal costing again and the explanation of the difference between the profits.
junaidkochikaran says
This notes and Lectures are clearly understood. Thank you, Mr. John Moffat for providing a free resource for students,Open Tuition is great. 😀
John Moffat says
Thank you very much for your comment 🙂
njivan28 says
You are number one sir.Thank you 🙂
John Moffat says
Thank you for the comment.
ikrambilleosman says
I have problems with absorption costing and marginal costing
John Moffat says
I can’t help you unless you say what your problems are!
When you have watched all of the lectures on marginal and absorption costing then ask any specific problems in the Ask the Tutor Forum and I will try and help.
tatsiana88 says
Lectures are so clear to understand. I think I can make a profit statement even in the middle of the night now 🙂 thank you very much! It is more interesting to study when you understand what are you doing 🙂
emmaooo says
In February:
NET PROFIT=11500*8-(20000-2*9500)-11500-2000 =77500
Is it correct?
John Moffat says
Yes – it is correct (the answers to the examples are at the back of the notes)
emmaooo says
Thanks a lot?
John Moffat says
You are welcome 🙂
mubezi1 says
hello Sir help me out please i cant access the vedios.
John Moffat says
The videos are working fine.
You should go to the support page – the link is just above (with the heading ‘technical problems’)
attiebui says
thank you for such useful lecture sir. Still I have a question to ask.
If the Actual Amount Absorbed = $22000, the Budget Amount Absorbed = $20000, isnt this is Under-Absorbed since the budget amount is less than the actual amount?
John Moffat says
The actual total overheads are the same as the budget total – $20,000.
The actual amount absorbed is $2 per unit produced and is therefore $22,000.
The is $2,000 more than the actual total and therefore they have over-absorbed.
shashi0805 says
thanks a lot…
Now I know what is over absorbed
and how to deal with this
🙂
John Moffat says
That great – I am pleased it helped you 🙂
khanhhoangvu says
Dear Sir,
I have listed your lecture and read your your explain for above ashiq many times, I really still however confused and didn’t understand the fixed o/h adjustment part. I had some problem and need to your explain clearly:
1. Why you plus $2.000 into $72.000. was it double? because in my view, we had minus $2.000 in closing inventory.
2. The difference between actual and estimated production was 1.000 units, so why we din’t adjust fixeded o/h in cost card of $20.000/11.000unit = $1.82, not $2
John Moffat says
2 first
We do not change the standard cost. Some months maybe we produce more and some months maybe we produce less. It would be silly to change the cost every month so we keep the same standard cost throughout.
1 The 2,000 was to correct for the fact that the actual overheads were 20,000 but we have absorbed (charged) 22,000 (11000 units at $2 each)/
khanhhoangvu says
tks Sir
ashiq says
ok,we get 22000 as fixed overheads in cost of sales,but,then why are we adding an additional2000 as adjustments
John Moffat says
Because 22,000 is being charged for fixed overheads whereas the actual cost is 20,000.
So we have charged 2,000 too much, therefore the profit is 2,000 too low, therefore we have to add 2,000 to the profit to make it correct.
ashiq says
Thank you sir
Hor says
can i know how we actually get the amount of $22000 for the amount of overheads absorbed? I’ve repeatly listen to the lecture but still can’t get for the amount of $22000
John Moffat says
The fixed overheads are being absorbed at the rate of $2 per unit and 11,000 units are being produced.
Mariam says
hi sir, that was a great lecture, really helpful. However, i didnt quite get how you got $22000 fot the amount of overheads absorbed.
Mariam says
oh i got it.
Grace says
I am failing to download the notes
John Moffat says
Please go to the support page for help – the link to it is above.
(I assume that you do mean the notes, and not the lectures. The lectures can only be watched online. )
Amit says
My apologies being new on the site i dont know how to edit my earlier query.
What i meant by above is my Cost of sales was not being charged with entire amount of FOH absorbed i.e 22,000. So to the Net Profit of 72000 if i am adding the entire amount of 2000 extra charged over budgeted, am i not over stating the profit earned to Managing Director for that month. Though i agree the next month this would get adjusted as it would form the opening Stock.
Am i missing something here ?
John Moffat says
What you say is correct which is one of the reasons why there is the alternative of using marginal costing instead (although in the long term it makes no difference).
(Although in financial accounting fixed overheads of production have to be included in the inventory value)
Amit says
Thanks a ton again John for clarifying and upholding my thought process.
Its with finest precision you explain things that such doubts naturally come…
cheers and thanks again for being an excellent teacher…
Amit says
Dear John,
My apologies being new on the site i dont know how to edit my earlier query.
What i meant by above is my Cost of sales was not being charged with entire amount of FOH absorbed i.e 22,000. So to the Net Profit of 72000 if i am adding the entire amount of 2000 extra charged over budgeted, am i not over stating the profit earned to Managing Director for that month. Though i agree the next month this would get adjusted as it would form the opening Stock.
Am i missing something here ?
John Moffat says
I don’t understand which bit you wish me to explain?
You have downloaded the course notes (otherwise you would not be watching the lecture) and the answers are in there.
Saloni says
Sir, everything was absolutely clear. Thank You.
Can you please explain the profit statement for February in example 1. Please?