Hello, could you help me please, to understand one question from course book. The question says “ABC manufactures a single product. Normal loss (scrap) in the process is 10% of output and scrapped units can be sold off for 4$/unit. Process costs of direct materials, labour, production overheads totalled 184 800 $. Input to the process in the month was 13 200 units
What was the cost/unit produced?
The questions seems very easy, but i don’t get, why do we calculated output as ” 13 200 * 10/110 = 12000 -> finished units” ?
If the loss is 10% of output, then for every 100 units output the loss will have been 10 units and therefore the input will have been 110 units.
So……if the input was 13,200 unit then the output must have been 100/100 x 12000 units.
(and the loss is 10% x 12,000 units = 1200 units, which checks OK. 13,200 input – 12000 input does equal a loss of 1200 which is 10% of the output of 12000!)
Sir ,your lectures are very pure and excellent but the questions that come out from the exams can be very funny that its hard to follow your rules in some fo them. like this particular questions , its not quite clear how you use 100/100 *12000units. How did you arrive out 12000units ? Obviously 10% of 12000units , is 1200units. But how was 12000units gotten?
Hi. I understand everything except the (non-exam related) Income statement reference in the T-Account. Is it correct to say that the 1750 would be a debit entry in the Income statement and seen as an ?expense?. Would you please be so kind as to draw up what an income statement with the above figures (in your lecture clip) would look like? I’ve had to do Income statements before – never with losses. I have no idea how that would go? If it wouldn’t be asking too much, please.
It would be wasting your time to produce an income statement (and impossible anyway since this would only be an extract).
The abnormal loss would appear as an expense in the income statement. However this is completely irrelevant for the exam. This exam is about management accounting – not financial accounting!
The lecture explains what is meant by equivalent units. For example, 100 units which have had 20% work done on them is equivalent to have done the full work on 20 units (20% of 100)
I have a question.. In min 12:50 , how come the abnormal loss / unexpected loss only 50kg? whereas the value given is 850kg? explanation please thanks..
@merryjxm, I am not sure that I understand your question. The normal loss is the average/expected loss, and this is decided by the company. The total loss is a matter of fact – some months they will lose more than expected and some months less. The difference is the abnormal loss or an abnormal gain.
Hi, Process costing is a costing technique where all you are trying to do is get cost per unit for similar items manufactured in processes (i.e. expected cost per unit).Abnormal losses are not expected hence they are excluded from the computation of cost per unit. The rule here is: to get cost per unit you only consider normal (expected) losses.
450 is not credited to the process account, it is rather credited to loss account.The accounting entry for cash from scrap is CR:Loss a/c, DR:Cash/Receivables.
Anyway, don’t let the a/c entries bug you. Learn the rule. (1) Abnormal loss is not considered to get cost p.u (2) Abnormal loss is the difference between expected output and actual output (3) Abnormal loss is valued @ cost p.u (4) Net loss is normal loss valued @ scrap value + abnormal loss valued @ cost p.u – total cash from scrap sales (5) The credit entries in the process T- accounts are (i) Actual output unit @ cost p.u. (ii) normal loss unit @ scrap value (iii) abnormal loss @ cost p.u
This is what I understood from the lectures and notes. Thanks open tuition for the wonderful lectures and notes.
very nice explanation, thank you very much Open Tuition, however I have one question, in the process a/c on the credit side, shouldn’t we credit the $450 for abnormal loss (scrap value) as well, it is an income that the company will eventually gain, right? so the cost per unit should be less? I was expecting $ 43.47 per unit instead of $ 44. I would be very grateful if someone would help me on this.
Pavel says
Hello,
could you help me please, to understand one question from course book.
The question says “ABC manufactures a single product. Normal loss (scrap) in the process is 10% of output and scrapped units can be sold off for 4$/unit.
Process costs of direct materials, labour, production overheads totalled 184 800 $.
Input to the process in the month was 13 200 units
What was the cost/unit produced?
The questions seems very easy, but i don’t get, why do we calculated output as ” 13 200 * 10/110 = 12000 -> finished units” ?
John Moffat says
If the loss is 10% of output, then for every 100 units output the loss will have been 10 units and therefore the input will have been 110 units.
So……if the input was 13,200 unit then the output must have been 100/100 x 12000 units.
(and the loss is 10% x 12,000 units = 1200 units, which checks OK. 13,200 input – 12000 input does equal a loss of 1200 which is 10% of the output of 12000!)
iyamu says
Sir ,your lectures are very pure and excellent but the questions that come out from the exams can be very funny that its hard to follow your rules in some fo them. like this particular questions , its not quite clear how you use 100/100 *12000units. How did you arrive out 12000units ? Obviously 10% of 12000units , is 1200units. But how was 12000units gotten?
John Moffat says
I mistyped in my previous reply – sorry 🙁
If the loss is 10% of output, then for every 100 units output the loss will have been 10 units and therefore the input will have been 110 units.
So……if the input was 13,200 unit then the output must have been 100/110 x 13200 = 12000 units.
elle says
Hi. I understand everything except the (non-exam related) Income statement reference in the T-Account. Is it correct to say that the 1750 would be a debit entry in the Income statement and seen as an ?expense?. Would you please be so kind as to draw up what an income statement with the above figures (in your lecture clip) would look like? I’ve had to do Income statements before – never with losses. I have no idea how that would go? If it wouldn’t be asking too much, please.
John Moffat says
It would be wasting your time to produce an income statement (and impossible anyway since this would only be an extract).
The abnormal loss would appear as an expense in the income statement.
However this is completely irrelevant for the exam.
This exam is about management accounting – not financial accounting!
khokhar says
excellent lecture today i finally understood process costing
Ryan says
Same here after all this time.. i understand the process costing got confused with abnormal and normal..
faizi95 says
wat are the equivalent units ?
John Moffat says
The lecture explains what is meant by equivalent units. For example, 100 units which have had 20% work done on them is equivalent to have done the full work on 20 units (20% of 100)
Ryan says
I have a question..
In min 12:50 , how come the abnormal loss / unexpected loss only 50kg? whereas the value given is 850kg? explanation please thanks..
John Moffat says
In the question it says that the actual output is 850kg (not that the loss is 850).
The input is 1000kg and so the total loss is 1000 – 850 = 150 kg.
The normal loss is 100kg (10% x 1000) and so the extra 50kg is the abnormal loss.
Ryan says
I see.. thankss im gonna get my test on this march.. need ur guide sir john.. appreciate it..
merryjxm says
I have one question that whether the final amount of loss is dependent on the extent to which the company would bear the normal loss.
John Moffat says
@merryjxm, I am not sure that I understand your question.
The normal loss is the average/expected loss, and this is decided by the company.
The total loss is a matter of fact – some months they will lose more than expected and some months less. The difference is the abnormal loss or an abnormal gain.
accakeisha says
thx OT!!!!
Reena says
Very good explanation .I enjoy and the lecturer makes the course interesting
debbie2872 says
I enjoyed the lecture on process costing. Big thank you!!
rozibella says
gr8 work..
M. Osman Kamran says
Excellent.
desie86 says
where did the $9 come from to get the cost for the abnormal unit of 50?
John Moffat says
@desie86, Abnormal losses are valued at full cost per unit (i.e. at the same amount as finished units).
onyxera says
Hi,
Process costing is a costing technique where all you are trying to do is get cost per unit for similar items manufactured in processes (i.e. expected cost per unit).Abnormal losses are not expected hence they are excluded from the computation of cost per unit. The rule here is: to get cost per unit you only consider normal (expected) losses.
450 is not credited to the process account, it is rather credited to loss account.The accounting entry for cash from scrap is CR:Loss a/c, DR:Cash/Receivables.
Anyway, don’t let the a/c entries bug you. Learn the rule.
(1) Abnormal loss is not considered to get cost p.u
(2) Abnormal loss is the difference between expected output and actual output
(3) Abnormal loss is valued @ cost p.u
(4) Net loss is normal loss valued @ scrap value + abnormal loss valued @ cost p.u – total cash from scrap sales
(5) The credit entries in the process T- accounts are
(i) Actual output unit @ cost p.u.
(ii) normal loss unit @ scrap value
(iii) abnormal loss @ cost p.u
This is what I understood from the lectures and notes.
Thanks open tuition for the wonderful lectures and notes.
adnanaadi101 says
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Sophan says
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nzeadall says
very nice explanation, thank you very much Open Tuition, however I have one question, in the process a/c on the credit side, shouldn’t we credit the $450 for abnormal loss (scrap value) as well, it is an income that the company will eventually gain, right? so the cost per unit should be less? I was expecting $ 43.47 per unit instead of $ 44. I would be very grateful if someone would help me on this.
allamardneket4 says
are there no boys in the class???
anusha14 says
Fantastic explanation
danaradoi1986 says
Great Lectures
bilalqureshi says
why we calculate abnormal loss with full cost of 44, there is loss of material.. as normal loss why we dont treat abnormal one.
naims says
@bilalqureshi, due to it not being expected, so that balance would be right as normal loss is a projection on what the company might lose.
seep says
nicely explained
paapa123 says
Excellent job.
gabigabi says
What’s wrong with the video??? it disappears in a moment.