For the year ended 31/12/2011 a company made taxable trading profits of $1200000 on which income tax payable is on 20%. -A transfer of $20000 will be made to the deferred taxation account. The balance on this account was $100000 before making any adjustments. -The estimated tax on profit for the year 2010 was $80000, but tax has now been agreed at $84000 and fully paid. -Tax on profits for the year 2011 is payable on 1 May 2012. -In the year 2010 the company made a capital gain of $100000 on the sale of some property. This gain is taxable at 20%.
1-Calculate the income statement tax charge in the 2011 accounts. 2-Calculate the tax liabilities in the SoFP 2011
Yes sir, I saw the points. I’m still confused on why it is deducted from the revaluation reserve. Is deferred tax deducted from revaluation reserve i.e. revaluation reserve is presented net off tax?
To increase a provision in the Deferred Tax account ie increase the value of the debit entry with the narrative “Balance carried forward”, it is necessary to have a credit entry in respect of that increase in deferred tax – ie, the liability that will arise upon the event of disposal of the revalued asset
Normally, the movement in the Deferred Tax account is balanced off to the Current Tax account and the balance now on the Current Tax account will then be debited (probably) to the statement of profit or loss
But that’s inappropriate when dealing with revaluations. The Deferred Tax account will be credited thus giving an increase in the liability in that account to carry forward but, instead of the corresponding debit going to the Current Tax account, that debit now goes to the Revaluation Reserve
Much better sir. Thanks a lot. Me and my friends(15 of them) whom i introduced to your lecture were all waiting for the reply haha. We really appreciate the way you teach.
Jurgita’s profit from operations before royalty income is $700,000 per annum. In 2009 she was entitled to a one off royalty receipt of $60,000, which she eventually received in 2010. Income tax is 25% Extracts from Statement of Profit or Loss and Other Comprehensive Income 2009 2010 $’000 $’000 Profit from operations 700 700 Royalty receivable 60 760 700 Income tax @ 25% on taxable profits (175) (190) Profit after tax 585 510 Taxable profits $’000 $’000 Profit from operations 700 700 Royalty received – 60 700 760 Income tax @ 25% 175 190 Show how the entity provides for deferred tax on the temporary timing difference.
Question: why should the $60 000 royalty received be added to the $700 000 profit from operation to calculate the income tax in 2005 but not in 2004, the year the company accounted for it?
Indeed, a too fast explanation. I was able to understand everything only after reading the Kaplan Study Text. Kaplan for F7 is way better than BPP Study Text.
Beside the fact that it stimulates investment to new assets as you said in 9:26 of your lecture but you see that it increases profit,so i i would think is an income like revaluation gain.
In example 2 Andris buys an asset at the beginning of 2009 for $600 000. It has a useful life of three years and is scrapped at the end of its useful life. its profits over the next three years are: 1,800 (2009), 2,300 (2010), 2,500 (2011).
A first year tax allowance of 100% is available on this asset. The tax rate for Andris is 25%.
Question : When calculating deferred tax for 2009, the book value is $400 000 and the tax value is 0 due to the first year 100% allowance. The deferred tax liability is therefore $100 and you release this over the next two years to write it off. But the book value in 2010 is $200 000, which gives a deferred tax liability of $50 for 2010. What happened to the deferred tax liability for 2010? i do not see where you wrote it off.
Your assistance will be deeply appreciated as usual sir.
The movement in the dferred tax account is double entered to the current tax account
That account in turn is balance off with the missing figure geeing double entered to the statement of profit or loss
Does that answer you?
It was fortunate that I saw this question – I rarely look at “latest comments”. In future, if you want to be sure that I answer your questions, post them on the “ask ACCA tutor” page
How do I treat under/over provision of taxes? I know that over provision is always on credit side of trial balance, so do I deduct over provision and add under provision of tax in profit or loss statement? Thank you.
Which question? Please give me a question name and the page number in the course notes – and post your response on the Ask the Tutor forum – that way I shall be sure of seeing your post
Hello, Can anyone help me with this question? -“-“- For the year ended 31 july 2011 Norman made taxable trading profit of $1200000 on which income tax is payable at 30%.. a) A transfer of $20000 will be made to deferred taxation account. The balance on this account was $100000 before making adjustments for items listed in this paragraph. b) The estimated tax on profits for the year ended 31 July 2010 was $80000, but tax has now agreed at $84000 and fully paid. c) tax on profits for year 31 July 2011 is payable on 1 may 2011. Required: 1) tax charged for 1 may 2012 2) tax liability in sfp at 31 july 2011
Brought down balance of $100,000 Transfer to Current Tax Account $20,000
In the Current Tax Account:
Debit side:
Transfer from Deferred Tax Account $20,000 Cash paid $84,000 Carry down liability $360,000
Credit side:
Brought down liability $80,000 Current year tax $384,000 to SoPoL
So that was my answer.
But I have serious doubts about $20,000 transfer TO the deferred tax account.
I have interpreted this as an increase in the deferred tax balance but it could equally well be a decrease. If it is intended to be a decrease, then the double entry to record that $20,000 would be Debit Deferred Tax Account $20,000 and Credit Current Tax Account $20,000
This would change the balance to carry forward in Deferred Tax Account to $80,000 and would change the charge to the Statement of Profit or Loss to $344,000 ( the $360,000 would remain the same)
also please explain that if the DT is calculated by calculating the difference between CA less tax base then are we taking the FV in the revaluation example 3. (FV – Tax base) *rate% i.e (800-500)*30%
why don’t we take the CV for calculating the temporary difference. I am so confused by reading the article on DT lol… they took the CV for the revaluation example
Dear sir, I can’t understand the answer for Q2 of Mini exercise part 8 Taxation. Why do we deduct deferred tax from tax estimated? Can you give me an explanation for the answer? Thanks!
The second line in the answer should read “Current tax 1,200”
The question gives us the liability, not the tax charge. The 1,200 transfer from Deferred Tax is because we are reducing the deferred tax provision from 11,200 down to 10,000.
In prior years we have charged Profit or Loss Accounts / retained earnings with 11,200 deferred tax (charged through the tax charge in the Profit or Loss)
Now we decide that we didn’t need 11,200. We only need 10,000. So debit the deferred tax account and credit the current tax account. That has the effect of reducing the tax charge in this year’s Profit or Loss but has no affect on the Current Tax liability on the Statement of Financial Position
Now, i understand the movement of deferred tax, but i still not clear about the first line of the entry in the answer. If you debit 17100 tax account and then credit it 1200, then tax charge in the SoCI is 15,900. I think the tax charge should be 18700-400-1200=17100
And the entry i would make is: Dr Tax charge 18300 Dr Deferred tax 1200 Cr Tax charge 1200 Cr Tax payable 18300
I don’t know if i do wrong somewhere. Can you correct me? Thanks!
Did you read my previous post? In particular, did you read the first line?
Your comment “still not clear about the first line of the entry in the answer”
The first line of the answer does not say debit the tax account. It says debit the SoCI (or Statement of Profit or Loss if you prefer to call it that)
The first line of my previous post says that the second line of the answer should not read “Cr SoCI Taxation” – it should read Cr Current Tax account (or Cr Current Liabilities if you prefer)
That leaves me with a balance to carry forward on the Current Tax Account of 18,700 liability (given in the question) and a tax charge in the Statement of Profit or Loss of 17,100
Yes, it is pretty much clear now. I’m sorry for not reading your post carefully, if i did, i would understand it sooner. Thanks you very much for the reply.
Request your guidance to understand how do we know the amount of deferred tax to be released in future years. In example 2, 100,000 was DT in 2009, then you released 50,000 each in 2010 and 2011 . why cant we release entire 100,000 in 2010. Thanks
Because we’re comparing the company’s book value of their asset with the taxman’s value of their asset (comparing net book value with tax written down value)
In year 2, according to the working shown at the top of page 177(!) the figures are $200,000 compared with a tax value of $zero
The difference is now $200,000. Apply the tax rate to that amount and there is a deferred tax liability to carry forward of $200,000 * 25% = $50,000
But we brought forward a deferred tax liability of 25% * $400,000 = $100,000
Therefore we can release $50,000 of that $100,000 this year and next year we shall release the remainder
The double entry is from the deferred tax account to the current tax account and the current tax charge to PorL is reduced by this released deferred tax credit
Please i need help with this question which goes thus:
In a case where my accumulated withholding tax for the year exceeds my current tax asset, what is the acceptable accounting treatment for the over the years?
will this result in any treatment as Non-current asset item?
Is this an F7 question? If it is, it almost certainly will not appear in an F7 exam!
In addition, I think that you have missed off one or two words.
I’m not really sure what “In a case where my accumulated withholding tax for the year exceeds my current tax asset, what is the acceptable accounting treatment for the over the years?” means
Are you sure that you have copied the question correctly?
how do you go about an issue where current tax asset has been over provided for. And the time period to recoup the excess is more than a year. Do treat the unrecoupable part as Non-current asset.
adekunlesays
Yea its an F7 question.
What am trying to say is this:
how do you go about an issue where current tax asset has been over provided for. And the time period to recoup the excess is more than a year. Do you treat the unrecoupable part as Non-current asset?
Well (I don’t recognise this as any F7 question I remember seeing!) if the time for recovering the overpayment has passed the I imagine you will have to write off that over-payment. It cannot be an asset if the company can no longer recover it
Pedroespaniole says
Hello,
Can somebody help with this one?
For the year ended 31/12/2011 a company made taxable trading profits of $1200000 on which income tax payable is on 20%.
-A transfer of $20000 will be made to the deferred taxation account. The balance on this account was $100000 before making any adjustments.
-The estimated tax on profit for the year 2010 was $80000, but tax has now been agreed at $84000 and fully paid.
-Tax on profits for the year 2011 is payable on 1 May 2012.
-In the year 2010 the company made a capital gain of $100000 on the sale of some property. This gain is taxable at 20%.
1-Calculate the income statement tax charge in the 2011 accounts.
2-Calculate the tax liabilities in the SoFP 2011
erhanuzun28 says
Hello,
udesay says
I didn’t get the revaluation part. Why is 37,500 deducted from revaluation balance of 258000?
MikeLittle says
The last of three bullet points above where Example 3 starts explains why the deferred tax is deducted from the revaluation reserve
OK?
udesay says
Yes sir, I saw the points. I’m still confused on why it is deducted from the revaluation reserve. Is deferred tax deducted from revaluation reserve i.e. revaluation reserve is presented net off tax?
Thank you for your prompt reply sir.
MikeLittle says
To increase a provision in the Deferred Tax account ie increase the value of the debit entry with the narrative “Balance carried forward”, it is necessary to have a credit entry in respect of that increase in deferred tax – ie, the liability that will arise upon the event of disposal of the revalued asset
Normally, the movement in the Deferred Tax account is balanced off to the Current Tax account and the balance now on the Current Tax account will then be debited (probably) to the statement of profit or loss
But that’s inappropriate when dealing with revaluations. The Deferred Tax account will be credited thus giving an increase in the liability in that account to carry forward but, instead of the corresponding debit going to the Current Tax account, that debit now goes to the Revaluation Reserve
Better?
udesay says
Much better sir. Thanks a lot.
Me and my friends(15 of them) whom i introduced to your lecture were all waiting for the reply haha. We really appreciate the way you teach.
MikeLittle says
Thanks for the compliment – just glad to help 🙂
drissy says
Jurgita’s profit from operations before royalty income is $700,000 per annum. In 2009 she was entitled to a one off royalty receipt of $60,000, which she eventually received in 2010. Income tax is 25% Extracts from Statement of Profit or Loss and Other Comprehensive Income 2009 2010 $’000 $’000 Profit from operations 700 700 Royalty receivable 60 760 700 Income tax @ 25% on taxable profits (175) (190) Profit after tax 585 510
Taxable profits
$’000 $’000 Profit from operations 700 700 Royalty received – 60 700 760 Income tax @ 25% 175 190 Show how the entity provides for deferred tax on the temporary timing difference.
Question: why should the $60 000 royalty received be added to the $700 000 profit from operation to calculate the income tax in 2005 but not in 2004, the year the company accounted for it?
drissy says
And how did you calculate the book value when calculating the deferred tax?
sameed121 says
Hi,
Can i leave IAS 12 and IFRS 9 ?
Can they come as a full fledged scenario in Section B ?
They are way too complicated for me :/
If they can’t be tested in section B, i won’t give them much attention.
a7mdsuliman says
am i the only one who think it’s too fast explanation, i can not follow anything
any advice ?
MikeLittle says
Check out the previous posts on this thread but, if you need to, come back with a specific question / problem and I’ll answer it
Kimmy says
I agree too fast especially for self study. much to fast no happy.
no1lover says
It was fast but it is a user friendly video where you can pause stop rewind. Goodluck in exams tomorrow I still cramming sighss….
Natalia says
Indeed, a too fast explanation. I was able to understand everything only after reading the Kaplan Study Text. Kaplan for F7 is way better than BPP Study Text.
njivan28 says
Yes Mike why is that tax allowance increases increases profit?
njivan28 says
Beside the fact that it stimulates investment to new assets as you said in 9:26 of your lecture but you see that it increases profit,so i i would think is an income like revaluation gain.
Joseph says
Greetings Mr. Little.
In example 2 Andris buys an asset at the beginning of 2009 for $600 000. It has a useful life of three years and is scrapped at the end of its useful life. its profits over the next three years are:
1,800 (2009), 2,300 (2010), 2,500 (2011).
A first year tax allowance of 100% is available on this asset.
The tax rate for Andris is 25%.
Question : When calculating deferred tax for 2009, the book value is $400 000 and the tax value is 0 due to the first year 100% allowance. The deferred tax liability is therefore $100 and you release this over the next two years to write it off. But the book value in 2010 is $200 000, which gives a deferred tax liability of $50 for 2010. What happened to the deferred tax liability for 2010? i do not see where you wrote it off.
Your assistance will be deeply appreciated as usual sir.
MikeLittle says
The movement in the dferred tax account is double entered to the current tax account
That account in turn is balance off with the missing figure geeing double entered to the statement of profit or loss
Does that answer you?
It was fortunate that I saw this question – I rarely look at “latest comments”. In future, if you want to be sure that I answer your questions, post them on the “ask ACCA tutor” page
Parviz says
How do I treat under/over provision of taxes? I know that over provision is always on credit side of trial balance, so do I deduct over provision and add under provision of tax in profit or loss statement?
Thank you.
zoaj says
Please Mike can you please tell me why the 600 tax allowance applies only the the year 2004 and not to the subsequent years in the example?
MikeLittle says
Which question? Please give me a question name and the page number in the course notes – and post your response on the Ask the Tutor forum – that way I shall be sure of seeing your post
Priyanka says
Hello,
Can anyone help me with this question?
-“-“-
For the year ended 31 july 2011 Norman made taxable trading profit of $1200000 on which income tax is payable at 30%..
a) A transfer of $20000 will be made to deferred taxation account. The balance on this account was $100000 before making adjustments for items listed in this paragraph.
b) The estimated tax on profits for the year ended 31 July 2010 was $80000, but tax has now agreed at $84000 and fully paid.
c) tax on profits for year 31 July 2011 is payable on 1 may 2011.
Required:
1) tax charged for 1 may 2012
2) tax liability in sfp at 31 july 2011
Priyanka says
Is it $360000 to sfp and $366000 to spl? ?
MikeLittle says
I make it 384,000 and 360,000, if I have understood the question properly
What does the official answer say?
Priyanka says
I don’t have the answers but please explain how you come to 360000 and 384000.
Thank You ?
MikeLittle says
In the Deferred Tax Account:
Debit side:
Carry down the balance of $120,000
Credit side:
Brought down balance of $100,000
Transfer to Current Tax Account $20,000
In the Current Tax Account:
Debit side:
Transfer from Deferred Tax Account $20,000
Cash paid $84,000
Carry down liability $360,000
Credit side:
Brought down liability $80,000
Current year tax $384,000 to SoPoL
So that was my answer.
But I have serious doubts about $20,000 transfer TO the deferred tax account.
I have interpreted this as an increase in the deferred tax balance but it could equally well be a decrease. If it is intended to be a decrease, then the double entry to record that $20,000 would be Debit Deferred Tax Account $20,000 and Credit Current Tax Account $20,000
This would change the balance to carry forward in Deferred Tax Account to $80,000 and would change the charge to the Statement of Profit or Loss to $344,000 ( the $360,000 would remain the same)
Ok?
Priyanka says
Correct !
Answer is 360000 to spl as income tax expense .
In sfp – NCL – Deferred tax 120000,
and CL – income tax – 360000
Thank you ?
Priyanka says
Ooup sorry its 384000 to spl
MikeLittle says
You said that you didn’t have the answer! Are you testing me?
marigold says
Lol Mr Mike.. My thoughts exactly……..Was she Testing you?
shreya says
also please explain that if the DT is calculated by calculating the difference between CA less tax base then are we taking the FV in the revaluation example 3.
(FV – Tax base) *rate% i.e (800-500)*30%
why don’t we take the CV for calculating the temporary difference.
I am so confused by reading the article on DT lol… they took the CV for the revaluation example
shreya says
hello mike,
could you please explain how do we calculate the tax written down value.. how it is 0 in this case (ex 2).
thank you
bianco says
Dear sir,
I can’t understand the answer for Q2 of Mini exercise part 8 Taxation. Why do we deduct deferred tax from tax estimated? Can you give me an explanation for the answer?
Thanks!
MikeLittle says
The second line in the answer should read “Current tax 1,200”
The question gives us the liability, not the tax charge. The 1,200 transfer from Deferred Tax is because we are reducing the deferred tax provision from 11,200 down to 10,000.
In prior years we have charged Profit or Loss Accounts / retained earnings with 11,200 deferred tax (charged through the tax charge in the Profit or Loss)
Now we decide that we didn’t need 11,200. We only need 10,000. So debit the deferred tax account and credit the current tax account. That has the effect of reducing the tax charge in this year’s Profit or Loss but has no affect on the Current Tax liability on the Statement of Financial Position
bianco says
Now, i understand the movement of deferred tax, but i still not clear about the first line of the entry in the answer. If you debit 17100 tax account and then credit it 1200, then tax charge in the SoCI is 15,900. I think the tax charge should be 18700-400-1200=17100
And the entry i would make is:
Dr Tax charge 18300
Dr Deferred tax 1200
Cr Tax charge 1200
Cr Tax payable 18300
I don’t know if i do wrong somewhere. Can you correct me?
Thanks!
MikeLittle says
Did you read my previous post? In particular, did you read the first line?
Your comment “still not clear about the first line of the entry in the answer”
The first line of the answer does not say debit the tax account. It says debit the SoCI (or Statement of Profit or Loss if you prefer to call it that)
The first line of my previous post says that the second line of the answer should not read “Cr SoCI Taxation” – it should read Cr Current Tax account (or Cr Current Liabilities if you prefer)
That leaves me with a balance to carry forward on the Current Tax Account of 18,700 liability (given in the question) and a tax charge in the Statement of Profit or Loss of 17,100
OK?
bianco says
Yes, it is pretty much clear now. I’m sorry for not reading your post carefully, if i did, i would understand it sooner.
Thanks you very much for the reply.
Priyanka says
Testing you!..
No..
I dint hve the answers the time i was working on that question..
Sorry..
N thank you ?
Mohsin says
Dear Mike,
Request your guidance to understand how do we know the amount of deferred tax to be released in future years. In example 2, 100,000 was DT in 2009, then you released 50,000 each in 2010 and 2011 . why cant we release entire 100,000 in 2010. Thanks
MikeLittle says
Because we’re comparing the company’s book value of their asset with the taxman’s value of their asset (comparing net book value with tax written down value)
In year 2, according to the working shown at the top of page 177(!) the figures are $200,000 compared with a tax value of $zero
The difference is now $200,000. Apply the tax rate to that amount and there is a deferred tax liability to carry forward of $200,000 * 25% = $50,000
But we brought forward a deferred tax liability of 25% * $400,000 = $100,000
Therefore we can release $50,000 of that $100,000 this year and next year we shall release the remainder
Is that ok?
Mohsin says
Perfectly Ok.
arman90fy says
Hi mike ,
I would like to interrupt here that , where is the £50 DT for 2010 gone !! Could plz go through again ,
Thanks
MikeLittle says
The double entry is from the deferred tax account to the current tax account and the current tax charge to PorL is reduced by this released deferred tax credit
magdeline says
Thanx for the lecturer but he is a bit fast,so i missed important points.
Thank you
MikeLittle says
Well, play it again! And again! There’s no limit to the number of times you can listen to the lecture.
And, if there’s any particular point that you don’t understand, post your question on this site on the Ask the Tutor page and I’ll get back to you
adekunle says
Hi,
Please i need help with this question which goes thus:
In a case where my accumulated withholding tax for the year exceeds my current tax asset, what is the acceptable accounting treatment for the over the years?
will this result in any treatment as Non-current asset item?
Thanks
MikeLittle says
Is this an F7 question? If it is, it almost certainly will not appear in an F7 exam!
In addition, I think that you have missed off one or two words.
I’m not really sure what “In a case where my accumulated withholding tax for the year exceeds my current tax asset, what is the acceptable accounting treatment for the over the years?” means
Are you sure that you have copied the question correctly?
adekunle says
Yea its an F7 question.
What am trying to say is this:
how do you go about an issue where current tax asset has been over provided for. And the time period to recoup the excess is more than a year. Do treat the unrecoupable part as Non-current asset.
adekunle says
Yea its an F7 question.
What am trying to say is this:
how do you go about an issue where current tax asset has been over provided for. And the time period to recoup the excess is more than a year. Do you treat the unrecoupable part as Non-current asset?
MikeLittle says
Well (I don’t recognise this as any F7 question I remember seeing!) if the time for recovering the overpayment has passed the I imagine you will have to write off that over-payment. It cannot be an asset if the company can no longer recover it
adekunle says
thanks. i appreciate.
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome