Put very simply, the way to approach the P7 exam is to
“read, plan, read again and then write”
- common sense? I should say so!
- and the more valid points you make, the more marks you will score!
- work on the principle that each valid, relevant point that you make will score a mark
- “But the pass rate percentage can be down in the low 30s. If the large majority of my contemporaries are employed by accounting / auditing firms, why is the pass rate so low? And what chance do I have – I have absolutely no auditing experience at all?”
- there have to be some underlying reasons for this!
- around 70% – 75% of your contemporaries are employed by audit firms. Yet there is a pass rate in the low 30s. Does this not tell you that, even if no non-auditors were to pass, the majority of those with auditing experience still fail?
- I personally believe that there are a number of contributory factors including, in no particular sequence:
- reluctance on the part of non-natural-English-speaking students to write enough points
- failing to write the obvious points – because they are so obvious
- knowing too much and therefore misallocating their time
- not reading the question carefully enough and therefore failing to address the question requirements
- finally, write out your answer
- re-read and ask yourself “If I write down in answer form what I have planned, will that answer the question which has been set and, crucially, will it answer the entire question ( all parts of the question ) ?”
- plan your answers
- read the questions carefully and make sure you fully appreciate what the question is asking
- when I was a student my own audit manager ( big 4 firm ) managed to fail the audit exam!the solution?
- beware that little word “and” as in “Identify and explain ….” – that‘s two questions and each element will have marks allocated to it – some for identification and some for explanation
- I mentioned earlier that I believe the auditing paper to be, in large part, common sense
- you could even turn your answer booklet on its side in order that you can more clearly set out the explanation
- that type of question can easily be answered in columnar form – the left hand column for the identification and the right hand column for the explanation
- and I have used that expression in the exam technique notes for F8
- however, P7 is a step up from F8
- at this higher level, the examiner considers you to be at partner level ( or at least senior manager ) in an audit firm whereas at F8 you were more likely put the position ( in the exam questions ) of a junior audit assistant.
- in P7 you are more likely to be asked to analyse a situation and draft or comment on an audit report
- a common question asked in P7 is “Comment on the matters that you should consider ( 10 marks ) and state the audit evidence that you should expect to find ( 10 marks )”as in F8 there are many “standard” points which can be brought into auditing answers:
- last year‘s file
- discussions with management
- cash element of a transaction
- additions and calculations
- written representations
- internal auditors
- internal controls
- schedules prepared by client
- last year‘s recommendation letter
- ratio calculation and analytical procedures
- third party confirmations
- none of these is sufficient in its unexplained form – it‘s no good saying “Talk to management”
- you would need to explain exactly why you wish to talk to management, why you want to look at last year‘s audit file or what you want with the internal auditors
- not all of these will be applicable to all questions – in fact, its unlikely that they will all be applicable to any one question – but at least they can stir your thought processes
- in the fifteen minutes‘ reading time, start by reading through the requirements of all the questions “noting the rubric of the paper” ( finding out which topics are covered! )
- say it again!
- then take any one of them, say the second, and
- you‘ve nothing else to say? No more points that can be made? You‘re stuck on just nine?
- try this for each of your original six points – but it doesn‘t always work. Try making two points out of “An auditor reports on whether the financial statements show a true and fair view”!Ok, now we‘re up to more than six – say eight or nine. It‘s still not enough – what if the marker doesn‘t like one or two of those points – maybe they aren‘t really relevant. In addition, you‘re not giving yourself the greatest chance of scoring heavily and achieving a comfortable pass.
- surely, there are two separate points here – “strength” is one and “continuity” is the second
- so try this. Take any one of those six points and try to make two points out of it. For instance, if you have used the word “and” within the point, you could make two separate points out of it eg “The auditors should consider the strength of the internal controls and whether those controls have been exercised throughout the reporting period”
- for the fifteen mark scenario, if at the end of say six minutes you still have only six points, that‘s only 40% of the available marks and that‘s a fail. No good!
- thus, for a part question worth, say, six marks, that‘s a planning time of three minutes. For a full fifteen marker, that‘s 7.5 minutes planning
- this is done in your planning time for the question. Planning time? YES!!! Take the number of marks per the question – or, equally important – per part of question. Divide by 2 and that‘s the number of minutes you should be spending planning your answer and trying to stretch those five points into fifteen
- you therefore need to stretch those five points into ( hopefully! ) fifteen
- if you have only four or five then, without further things to say, you have a maximum of 27% – 33% of the marks available. Do that enough times and, no matter how good the remaining answers are, you will be unlikely to achieve the necessary 50%
- this outline plan now needs to be considered – “Have I got enough points to score all the available marks?” How many do you think you‘ll need to score, say, 15? Simple answer -fifteen! That‘s fifteen different, valid, relevant points.
- now, take the question you feel you could answer best, replicate your plan into your answer paper ( question papers are NOT marked )
- at the end of the fifteen minutes reading time, you should have four very rough outline plans
- do this for all four questions!
- then select the question you feel is the best to omit and jot down on your question paper those points / matters which spring immediately to mind for the other four questions
- change the subject of the original thought into the object
- express the point in an alternative manner
- don‘t repeat yourself
- use different words
- there are numerous ways in which a perfectly valid point can be made by cunningly changing the matter described
- “Ah! But what if the marker sees what I‘ve done?” So what – what have you lost? Nothing! What have you gained – the potential for the marker to give you that extra one or two which you certainly would not otherwise have gained
- now, at the end of your 7.5 minutes planning exercise you will hopefully have a plan in your answer booklet with twelve or thirteen points in it
- do that for three or four of your original thoughts and you‘re up to fifteen before you know it
- just look again at that indented list above – a classic example of saying the same thing but using different words
- head it “Plan”, rule it off, and under no circumstance cross it out
- but you only have nineteen minutes left to write out an answer – fifteen paragraphs / fifteen points / potentially fifteen marks
- that‘s only 1.3 minutes per paragraph so ask yourself “How long is a paragraph?”
- answer – no more than 2 – 2.5 lines. Effectively, it‘s one sentence
- leave a line between your paragraphs – it makes it more marker – friendly
- write out your fifteen paragraphs – ok, fourteen with an introduction or a conclusion – ok, thirteen with an introduction and a conclusion ( if a conclusion is asked for eg “Advise Ross …” you MUST have a concluding paragraph which advises Ross and, even if it‘s incorrect, so long as it‘s supported by your persuasive argument you should still score)
- now move on to the next question and do the whole process again
- but remember, NO MORE THAN 1.8 MINUTES PER MARK
- clearly identify at the start of each question the number of the question in the paper and start every answer on a new page
- the examiners like the answers to be subdivided into sections with appropriate headings
miaan shoaib says
i failed three time in p7. first time i take coaching classes nd got 43 marks in dec 2016. after in march 2017 self study i got 46 marks and now in june 17 i got 39 marks even this time i had put more effort but un fortunately. so now please guys suggest me what should i do??
MikeLittle says
Read my reply to Hattie dated August 31 2015 and all others on this thread since then
Maybe those will identify where you’re going wrong
amina12 says
HI, I am re-sitting this paper for the third time now, got 27 in Dec, then 38 in March.
whenever I try attempting a question, I run out of ideas and not able to provide the no of points needed . Please advice
MikeLittle says
Do you, for a 20 mark question, spend 10 minutes reading, thinking and planning points that you could bring in to an answer
Or do you, as I suspect, read the question and start writing straight away
If this is your third time am I safe to assume that you have read a revision kit from start to finish, at least once?
And how committed are you to passing this exam?
I ask because it’s 46 days since the March results were published and there’s now just 2 days before the exam on Monday
I really don’t believe that there is sufficient time left available for me to make any difference to your chances of success in June
Go in there and do your best.
If you pass, then very well done
If you haven’t passed, then write to me immediately that you get your result and we’ll start the 48 day road to preparation for the September examination
But write on the Ask ACCA Tutor forum – you were lucky that I happened to see this in the recent comments section – I rarely look there
rashikjoshi19 says
hey MikeLittle,give me your email address please?
MikeLittle says
Not a chance! Post whatever question you may have on the Ask ACCA Tutor forum and I shall get back to you but there’s no way that I’m opening up my email to hundreds of thousands of accountancy students!
rasheed says
Hi Mike,
just wanted some input regarding exam technique, i have been doing past papers, but always seem to go over the time limit by 20 odd mins, however if i attempt section B first then i am able to manage better somewhat. would this have any adverse impact on the marker?
mufu66 says
Are there any lecture notes available for P7 Advanced Audit and Assurance UK standard?? I can only find the notes for the international standard.
Thank you
hammers84 says
Hi Mike, I’ve failed this exam for the 3rd time today, 49, 48 and 38 in September. This backwards trend is concerning, in particular.
I always manage to attempt no more than 80-85 marks and my score represents that, to an extent. I always seem to believe that I could have attempted the full 100 marks, if only I had enough time. My relatively slow handwriting speed may have some part to play in this. I always use the reading time to write a list of points for the 1st question only, always manage to attempt the 1st question well and before I realise, I’m always left with an hour or so to attempt the remainder of the question paper.
Can you please advise regarding this, and on how to understand the number of points required to score the allocated marks? i.e. How do I know if I’m required to write 10, 1 mark points for a 10 marks question or 5, 2 marks points?
Thank you.
MikeLittle says
Olly, here’s a response that I’ve just written to another student that is suffering the same as you.
I believe that it should help to identify and address some of your issues
As for where you’re going wrong, here’s what I wrote 10 minutes ago in response to a different post from another student.
I believe that it may help to solve your problem
Practice exam technique
Practice time management
Plan answers within the planning time allocation and then check your plans against the printed solution
Did you make enough separate points
Did you answer the question
Did you plan as many points as there are marks available
Have you read any of my posts to previous similar questions where I have given advice on how to move forward?
Well, have you?
Have you timed your handwriting to see just how much you can write in 1 minute 18 seconds? Because that’s the MAXIMUM length of any sentence that you write in the exam. The MAXIMUM
Did you follow ANY exam technique tips at all in June?
hammers84 says
Thank you Mike. I hope to use your advice word by word this time around and hopefully achieve those few extra marks to take me over the line.
wafatauseef says
Hi mike. this will be my 4th attempt. i never realized what went wrong with me but i am thinking this is my problem too
i never PRACTICE exam, all what i do is just read for my preparation.
i will make sure i write before i enter the exam room this time. my question is, can i use pencil to write there? cause i think i write faster with a pencil than a pen
Thanks
gracebos says
Scored 49 before then 45! don’t know really know what to do again. it’s as if not assimilating when reading now, 4th attempt. Need help pls Mr mike
MikeLittle says
Read, read, read ….. and then read some more.
Check out how many points there are in the suggested solutions compared with how many you had managed to plan within your planning time allocation.
Did you manage to get 75% of the points in the answer? No?
60%? Still no?
You’re not opening your mind! You’re not using your imagination! You’re not applying that necessary ingredient, common sense! There are always so many points that are valid, common sense, practical points that you can get into exam answers …… so, ask yourself, “Why didn’t I”
Notice in a printed answer how similar points are grouped together and how the whole answer tends to be sub-divided into distinct sections with proper, appropriate headings, neatly underlined
Notice, too, how the printed solution directly addresses the question that has been asked and that the form of the answer has correctly taken account of the requirement verb
This P7 exam is as much (if not more) about exam technique and common sense as it is about advanced audit and assurance knowledge.
And, finally, before you go into that exam rom next time, make sure that you’re up to date with IAS and IFRS (check out “P7 examinable documents December 2015)
Hope all that helps and, please, post questions like this on the Ask the Tutor forum in future
hattie says
Hi Mike,
This is my fourth attempt…fifth in Dec. What should I do?
MikeLittle says
Earn more marks! Do you follow all the examination technique pointers that I seem repeatedly to be typing in response to posts similar to yours?
Do you plan? Do you spend the appropriate length of time planning? Do you repeatedly read the question requirements very carefully to ensure that the direction that you are about to take with your planned answer is the same direction that the examiner wants you to take?
Do you write legibly?
Do you ever write a paragraph longer than 3 lines?
Do you always leave a line between your paragraphs?
Do you segregate the points in your answer into similar groupings?
Do you provide a one- or two-word heading to your grouped ideas?
Do you appreciate the difference between “state what evidence you should expect to find on the audit file” and “identify those further audit procedures that you expect to be carried out”
Do you always start your exam answers with tackling question 1?
Do you clearly identify which part of which question it is that you have just started on a new page?
Do you practice answering questions from past exams?
Are you capable of honest self-assessment or can you find a colleague that would be prepared to assess some specimen answers for you and give you an honest critical appraisal?
Short of persuading you to consider the above points very carefully and think about what I’m saying, there’s not a lot else I can do
But please do post again if you have any questions
gracebos says
can I answer b or c part of a question first if I don’t know the a part? Or should my answer be in the order of the questions? thanks
MikeLittle says
Of course you can – just remember to number clearly the part of which question that you are addressing on your answer page
hattie says
Oops sorry, I mean to say Hi, excellent Tips….will try them…4th attempt.
hattie says
Hi Andrew, excellent tips I will try them. Its my 4th attempt.
MikeLittle says
Andrew? Who is Andrew?
rajeshchilveri says
Hey Mike,
Hattie is referring to Andrew who was the ACCA Global Prize winner in Paper P7 December 2014 exams (89 Marks) who might have have written this article.