My another doubt in this ques is regarding the depreciation. We have considered it into the cost of sales — is it because the ques says so? What to do if nothing is mentioned in the question. Do we then deduct it from G.Profit?
Re the goodwill impairment – where else would you deduct it from? Quite often a question will say that any impairment is to be included within cost of sales.
Otherwise, I feel that I would show it separately as an expense within the statement of profit or loss
In this F7 June 2008 Question 1 Patronic, I have a few doubts: 1) Why are we not adding the 8/12 of 900 (Subsidiary share) when we are talking about the Finance cost. You have just taken the Parent’s share & unrolled disct (i.e 2 +2.4)
2) Secondly, why do we deduct the goodwill impairment from the Gross profits? Is it the rule & do we always have to deduct the goodwill impairment from Gross profits?
I am happy, thanks Mike. However, the question reads differently from the one on the ACCA website…2 things, the one on the website is different from the one you are reading which is still different from the one in BPP revision kit. Kinda confused! Hope to pass, thanks once again 馃檪
I don’t believe that goodwill fits anywhere into W4B. W4B is the nci share of this year’s subsidiary adjusted, time-apportioned profits after tax. Whereabouts are you trying to fit goodwill into that calculation?
The deferred consideration is $2 per share on 18 million shares = 36 million. That’s the present value. To unroll it, we take 36 million x 10% = 3.6 million. But it’s only unrolled for 8 months until the year end So the finance cost is 3.6 million x 8 / 12 = 2.4 million finance charge and that’s added to the long term liability of “Deferred payment”
same problem cant find the 30.5 of NCI investment n cant find it in the suggested answer too but usually v calculate the goodwill muz include for NCI right?
Point number (iv) in the Kaplan 2012 edition states “The nci has been valued at 30.5 million” and I believe that that was the source from which I prepared the answer. Kaplan were not allowed to reproduce the ACCA questions precisely so this must have been one of their “amendments”
Sorry that this has resulted in your general confusion!
Yes I calculated G/will to be 27,000 too. Im just wondering if Mike maybe using an old unmodified/modified version of the question from a text book maybe instead of ACCA ?? Be interesting to know what that 30.5 was though 馃檪
Hi just a quick one. In the video at 12m 40s, Mike writes in a figure of 30.5 bringing the total to 135.5. Where does this figure come from???? I cant see it or calculate it. Also, at around 17m, Mike gets Goodwill to be 29,500 yet ACCA standard answer is 27,000 ?? Why the differences? Any help appreciated thanks 馃檪
@jessiewong, to get the value of 26m u have to multiply 104m * 25% of nci [share capital 24m +retained earnings 73.5 +fair value adjustments of 6.5m = 104m]
ravinsingh says
thanks sir
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome
Swati says
Dear Sir,
My another doubt in this ques is regarding the depreciation.
We have considered it into the cost of sales — is it because the ques says so? What to do if nothing is mentioned in the question. Do we then deduct it from G.Profit?
Rgds,
Swati
MikeLittle says
As mentioned below, a question will often direct you to “include depreciation, amortisation and impairments in cost of sales”
That would be typical of the F7 examiner’s instructions.
That’s probably why I included it there.
If it isn’t specifically identified to you, I would be inclined to show it separately – but it will normally be identified!
Swati says
Thanks Sir.
Understood.
MikeLittle says
You’re welcome
Swati says
Dear Sir,
I am so sorry for the doubt related to ‘Finance cost’. I saw that later that you have added the subsidiary share also.
Just the doubt of why goodwill impairment deducted from G.profits?
Thanks,
Swati.
MikeLittle says
Good news about the finance costs 馃檪
Re the goodwill impairment – where else would you deduct it from? Quite often a question will say that any impairment is to be included within cost of sales.
Otherwise, I feel that I would show it separately as an expense within the statement of profit or loss
Swati says
Dear Mike Sir,
In this F7 June 2008 Question 1 Patronic, I have a few doubts:
1) Why are we not adding the 8/12 of 900 (Subsidiary share) when we are talking about the Finance cost. You have just taken the Parent’s share & unrolled disct (i.e 2 +2.4)
2) Secondly, why do we deduct the goodwill impairment from the Gross profits? Is it the rule & do we always have to deduct the goodwill impairment from Gross profits?
Regards,
Swati
tauraiversatile says
I am happy, thanks Mike. However, the question reads differently from the one on the ACCA website…2 things, the one on the website is different from the one you are reading which is still different from the one in BPP revision kit. Kinda confused! Hope to pass, thanks once again 馃檪
rochyroch says
Dear Sir;
The ACCA answer does not include the 2 goodwill when doing W4B NCI
MikeLittle says
I don’t believe that goodwill fits anywhere into W4B. W4B is the nci share of this year’s subsidiary adjusted, time-apportioned profits after tax. Whereabouts are you trying to fit goodwill into that calculation?
And why?
sarahlim says
Sir, can you help me to calculate finance cost ?
coz the suggested answer included interest for deffered payment but i failed to calculate for it….
TQ
MikeLittle says
The deferred consideration is $2 per share on 18 million shares = 36 million. That’s the present value. To unroll it, we take 36 million x 10% = 3.6 million. But it’s only unrolled for 8 months until the year end So the finance cost is 3.6 million x 8 / 12 = 2.4 million finance charge and that’s added to the long term liability of “Deferred payment”
Ok?
sarahlim says
erm… somemore the goodwill is calculated as at 1/4/2007
but for the impairment is at 31/03/2008 so cant calculate in the goodwill right?
MikeLittle says
That’s what it shows in the video at 17.32
sarahlim says
Dear sir,
same problem cant find the 30.5 of NCI investment n cant find it in the suggested answer too
but usually v calculate the goodwill muz include for NCI right?
MikeLittle says
Point number (iv) in the Kaplan 2012 edition states “The nci has been valued at 30.5 million” and I believe that that was the source from which I prepared the answer. Kaplan were not allowed to reproduce the ACCA questions precisely so this must have been one of their “amendments”
Sorry that this has resulted in your general confusion!
willie91 says
can u adjust your handwriting its not that clear
MikeLittle says
@willie91, Sorry Willie – I’ll make a note “Must try harder”
marky123 says
Yes I calculated G/will to be 27,000 too. Im just wondering if Mike maybe using an old unmodified/modified version of the question from a text book maybe instead of ACCA ??
Be interesting to know what that 30.5 was though 馃檪
marky123 says
Hi just a quick one. In the video at 12m 40s, Mike writes in a figure of 30.5 bringing the total to 135.5. Where does this figure come from???? I cant see it or calculate it.
Also, at around 17m, Mike gets Goodwill to be 29,500 yet ACCA standard answer is 27,000 ?? Why the differences?
Any help appreciated thanks 馃檪
e1e4 says
@marky123, I also can not find the figure of 30.5 .In the paper june 2008,the nci is 26m,so the calculation of goodwill is 27m.you can try it .
jessiewong says
@e1e4, how to get the value of nci of 26m that u state ? what is the calculation step?
MikeLittle says
@jessiewong, Hi, I’ll look at it again and also at the video. But it will have to wait for a few hours – I’ll get back to you
nyarasi says
@jessiewong, to get the value of 26m u have to multiply 104m * 25% of nci [share capital 24m +retained earnings 73.5 +fair value adjustments of 6.5m = 104m]
MikeLittle says
Ok, the Kaplan revision kit for 2012 , point number (iv) states that the nci is valued at 30.5 million.
Sorry that this has resulted in confusion
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