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- October 28, 2014 at 3:44 am #206328
Sorry. Just wish to add on to my inquiry above….
The link of the Annual Report is as such : https://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjE4MDQyfENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1
So for my in-text citation, should it be (Phx.corporate-ir.net, 2013) or (Starbucks Annual Report 2013)
The former is generated and I’m currently using that but reading all the comments here, everybody seems to adopt the latter. My concern is that if I use the latter, the assesser/marker may not be able to identify the link in the reference list that matches the in-text citation because they seem to share no resemblance judging from the wordings.
Please advice. Tq.
October 28, 2014 at 7:34 am #206334@aneeq7 – yeah go for it!
@Nick123 – The in text citation for the FSs should be (Starbucks Annual Report, 2013) or ( Starbucks, 2013) – You should never have a webpage link itself in the text. URLs and actual webpages go in the list. You are supposed to show the latest date of access but an approximate one will do if you are constantly using a source. The reason is to confirm the webpage still exists – if a marker cannot access the site because the webpage is no longer there they will wonder how you managed to….(it is very unlikely the annual reports would be taken down so no probs there with using a date that is approximate.Remember the info in the ref list is supposed to be sufficiently complete and accurate enough so that the reader can either access the source or verify its existence. Some markers are very ‘hot’ on this and will pick out some randomly – I suspect if they cannot find them they will question whether the student (a) has actually found and used the source or (b) whether the student has demonstrated adequate referencing skills
October 28, 2014 at 8:53 am #206350Thank you so much for your reply @trephena
I am really stunned when I read : “You should never have a webpage link itself in the text”. Because I was using an online generator for the referencing, it was generated as such but I get your point so I will amend them accordingly.
October 28, 2014 at 9:49 am #206361@Nick123 – I think initially webpage addresses were acceptable (when the internet sources weren’t the norm) but over time it has now become viewed as lazy referencing and no longer considered permissible (a student would probably get away with using the odd one but not if the whole report contain URLs)
October 28, 2014 at 11:37 am #206384True that pasting entire links is not acceptable. But say to reference a website I wrote (energylivenews.com, 2013), is that ok? Or should it ideally be (Energy Live News, 2013) ?
Thanks a lot!
October 28, 2014 at 1:54 pm #206404@avian will – you are fine with (energynews.com, 2013) but of course your second version is equally acceptable
October 29, 2014 at 2:36 pm #206583AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I am using a generator for the referencing. Here’s an example of how my in-text citation and entry in the list looks like:
in-text= (John, 2013)
reference list= John D (2013)
Im worried because the two don’t match 100% and how should it be done ?October 29, 2014 at 4:49 pm #206609@aneeq7 – that’s fine and correct – when I talk about same designation I am referring to instances where people use completely different identifiers so it is impossible for the reader to go to the ref list and find them without searching through the whole list. With yours the reader/ marker would find John in about 2 seconds (provided the list is in alphabetical order) so they will be happy 🙂
October 31, 2014 at 8:01 am #206928Can someone please prepare the reference to be included in list of reference. I have done all the reference work but I have no clue how to refer these.
https://www.accountingformanagement.org/average-payment-period/
https://www.dawn.com/news/845158/big-pharma-and-physicians
https://www.freecurrencyrates.com/exchange-rate-history/USD-PKR/2011
Thanks. Your help will be appreciated.
October 31, 2014 at 8:17 am #206929Trephena, can you please prepare the references for the followings to be included in list of reference. I have done all the reference work but I have no clue how to refer these.
as they have no author….https://www.accountingformanagement.org/average-payment-period/
https://www.dawn.com/news/845158/big-pharma-and-physicians
https://www.freecurrencyrates.com/exchange-rate-history/USD-PKR/2011
Thanks. Your help will be appreciated.
October 31, 2014 at 8:25 am #206931@naveedullahwardak – if there is a name and date you use them if not then use the organisation designation and n.d. (no date) so:
1. (accountingformanagement.org, n.d.) in the text. List starts with this + Website address and date you last accessed this.
2. There is a name at the bottom so (Murad, n.d.) text; in list Murad MK (n.d) – Dawn.com + website address etc
3. As with 1.
Remember the text and list designations apart from initials of author and the slight difference of brackets MUST match so the reader can find them.
October 31, 2014 at 9:05 am #206943Thank you very much. Stay blessed and happy forever….
October 31, 2014 at 11:00 am #206964@trephena But the information pack 2014-15 tells us in the in-text citation “then If there is no author, use a brief title instead” and For websites, if there is no author or title, use the URL. What does it mean?? and I think your references above are not quite up to the point? Please could you help me clarify this? Thanks.
October 31, 2014 at 12:31 pm #206976@naveedullahwardak – it’s your choice whether you follow my advice or not but as I have explained repeatedly the RAP is not marked on referencing the same hard way as a higher degree or even another BSc. I have set out the rules above in posts to isookvi (page 2) Nick123 and avian will and those are what I applied to my own Masters degree for which I got a distinction (including the dissertation).
[Incidentally I have previously discussed this with an OBU Moderator who confirmed the position I set out in my posts above and confirmed this more recently with the Chief Moderator. Markers should be applying the basic principles as set out in my response to isookvi e.g. applying a method that is systematic, identifies exactly what is being referenced and allows references to be located on the list quickly and verify their authenticity. So please stop fretting about a full stop or comma here or there -IT DOES NOT, REPEAT NOT, MATTER!!]
So @naveedullahwardak – Your RAP so you do what you want!
October 31, 2014 at 12:34 pm #206980Hi,
In reference to the Presentation slides, do we need to reference the images and charts that go in it?
October 31, 2014 at 1:18 pm #206983@sadsingh -please see my answer to Pallavirai on the Forum ‘PLEASE HELP KEEP OUR FORUMS TIDY!!!’ dated 28th Oct where this was covered
November 2, 2014 at 1:07 pm #207248i emailed acca brookes connect officer asking which style under harvard is acceptable.
he replied all harvard styles are acceptable but it is recommended to use Harvard > Brookes style.
so guys to make life easier, open word>click on reference tab> style and select Harvard – Angilia 2008 (Its nearly the same as brookes very minor difference)
whenever you want to insert citation, in the reference tab click insert citation and check show all bibliography fields. fill out the ones with ” * ” next to them.
Once done at the end click bibliography in the references tab to enter them in alphabetical order as advised by the BSc information pack.
If you dont have Harvard – Angilia 2008 style, google it. You will find it
November 3, 2014 at 6:28 pm #207550hi @trephena what if i don’t mention like “CEO XYZ” if taken from CEO’s report or chairman report specifically instead I just mention like “XYZ Annual Report 2012”?
November 4, 2014 at 7:36 am #207605@sameed – probably OK, but with referencing if you know who said something you are supposed to attribute it to them, so CEO XYZ is better. (Certainly with a higher level degree you would be expected to name the exact source).
November 4, 2014 at 3:11 pm #207659i emailed acca brookes connect officer asking which style under harvard is acceptable.
he replied all harvard styles are acceptable but it is recommended to use Harvard > Brookes style.
so guys to make life easier, open word>click on reference tab> style and select Harvard – Angilia 2008 (Its nearly the same as brookes very minor difference)
whenever you want to insert citation, in the reference tab click insert citation and check show all bibliography fields. fill out the ones with ” * ” next to them.
Once done at the end click bibliography in the references tab to enter them in alphabetical order as advised by the BSc information pack.
If you dont have Harvard – Angilia 2008 style, google it. You will find it
November 9, 2014 at 11:38 am #208552That’s more helpful for me thanks .
November 12, 2014 at 3:31 pm #209374if my website start with http , like the open tuition pages do I have to create the www bit and insert it or I type it as it is, starting with http?
November 13, 2014 at 4:19 am #209506Hi @Trephena
A quick question please. Suppose I am talking about a point an analyst made in a newspaper article and the reporter is quoting him… so I wrote: ”According to Bob market changes and so on …. (Reporter name, date)”
Is that enough or do I have to say ”According to Bob market changes and so on …. (date, cited in Reporter name, date)”Please note I am not quoting Bob in the above. I am just talking about a point he made.
Thanks a lot!
November 13, 2014 at 1:19 pm #209614@avian will – in the text put the name of the reporter, in the list start with the same designation and then expand it to include the actual person who said it cited by reporter name in…..and then put name & date of publication
November 13, 2014 at 5:31 pm #209795Hi @Trephena
I’m sorry I don’t understand. Let me give an example. Let’s say reporter name is Dejevsky… so in text (Dejevsky, 2014). Fine, I got that.
In list of references…
Dejevsky, M., 2014. How British Supermarkets Are Being Eaten Alive. Newsweek. [online] Available at: <https://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/how-british-supermarkets-are-being-eaten-alive-260651.html> [Accessed 22 Sep. 2014].
Where and how do I incorporate the name of the analyst cited?
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