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- August 23, 2018 at 9:35 am #469060AnonymousInactive
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Gillian, thank you for your comprehensive response.
Initially I hadn’t provided references for these formulae for the same reasons you cite; it was my Mentor who told me to go find references for them. Indeed, I didn’t think there were many high quality sources for them, and Investopedia looked like the best compromise.
Hopefully all will be well, and I’ll certainly report back either way.
August 23, 2018 at 11:04 am #469067Yes please do get back to us and make your comment here when you find out. However I wouldn’t be unduly concerned and as I say to all students at this stage when they can do nothing about it and their worries are probably unfounded: Chill baby! Chill! 😀
When the results come out (I think this 18 September) we will also have a Period 36 Results Forum thread so you can post your result on that thread too.
August 23, 2018 at 7:12 pm #469132obuwankenobi – I need to add that all failed work is reviewed by a moderator (a senior marker) and as I was a senior marker, if someone had failed on this alone, I would have overturned the result and changed this to a pass – and I am sure other moderators would also do so. So stop worrying and wait and see!
October 28, 2018 at 1:29 am #4799851. What should be the in text citation for information collected from the company xyz website but from different parts of the website.
For example, website section named About Us. The citation should be (xyz, About Us) ? As there is no date on the company website shall I put n.d. ? And how will I write it in my reference list
2. By going through the Golden Rules and the forum i understood that with a webpage with no author. I’ll put the title of the page first then the date, available at and then accessed at. Am I right ?
3. For in text citations I’ll just insert the surname and the date and in reference list Surname followed by the initials right ?October 28, 2018 at 1:39 am #4799861. Going through the forum and the golden rules I have understood that with websites or articles with no author, the citation and reference should be the title of the page followed by the date. In reference list I’ll insert title, date then the URL and access date, right ?
2. What will be the in text citation for information collected from a company website but from different parts of the website. For example, section named About Us the citation will be (xyz, About Us) as there’s no date on the website shall I put n.d. ? And what will be the reference for this ?
3. Citation has just the Surname and the date whereas reference list will have surname followed by the initials. Am I right ?December 5, 2018 at 5:44 pm #487671Hi,
I have the following format for referencing that I found online:
Author surname(s), initial(s). (Year of publishing) Title of page/site [Online]. Available at: URL (Accessed: day month year).
I wanted to know should I include the word online in brackets every time I list a
reference ?( there are other examples online that don’t include it) and when listing a website name, do I always include .com ? or just the name?I am also not sure on how to reference the following, if you can clarify by relating to format above;
-if I am using information (narrative) from the notes to financial statements in annual report (more than a 100 pages) do I have to include the page number in the reference?
– a report (from a website, not from a journal) with a volume number, what is the format in this case for reference list and in text citation?
-online articles written by different businesses with different dates (no human authors) from the same website?
Many thanks
December 6, 2018 at 10:38 pm #488140To be honest for the RAP it doesn’t matter either way whether you include or exclude the word “online” as long as you include the link in the list.
As explained in the OT Guide to Referencing the RAP, the text and list names must match. I have always included the .com but I don’t think in the grand scheme of things it really matters (and I think it counts as the same number of words)
Re the notes to the accounts -ideally yes, include the page number in the text but you will not be savaged if you don’t
Not exactly sure what you mean about something online having a volume number unless it is a journal article available online. Normally volume numbers only go in the list and just the website goes in the text but it may need the appendage (a); (b) etc. in both (see the Guide for an explanation of when appendages / suffixes are require.
Not entirely sure I know what you mean with the last query but think possibly you are referring to the same sort of thing as with the following instances as say with Tesco-financials; Tesco-Investor-briefings. You can get away with using these in the report and list. The issue is that Harvard-APA was formulated years before the invention of the Internet and as far as I know, no-one has yet caught up with quite how online references slot exactly into the system.
In the end for the RAP as long as the Referencing is ‘systematic’ then that will suffice – so chill baby, chill! 🙂
December 8, 2018 at 7:14 pm #488505The volume number is for a report. I wrote the reference the same as for a report but don’t know where to fit the volume number (for example vol.145). Its a report from an advisory services. I know it is not common but they included volume numbers in their reports. Any ideas on how I should deal with this?
Thanks
December 9, 2018 at 11:02 pm #488639As mentioned previously and as set out in the ‘Golden Rules’, references in the text and list must match and every document must have a distinct and unique designator. So if you have done this that fulfils most of the requirements. The other most important criterion is that the reader can locate the document. So if you have provided the link to the actual document then this too is fulfilled. Should it link to a more generic website then you could provide along with the name of the report the volume number. Otherwise as you are not doing a PhD this is more than adequate for the RAP -so I suggest you stop obsessing about what in the grand scheme of things is a minor detail!
December 16, 2018 at 7:23 am #492049hello maam iwould like to know about is ibid valid in harward referencing as my dad said it ok to go with ibid but my mentor says its not
December 16, 2018 at 5:07 pm #492062It is permissible to us ibidim (ibid.) [meaning “in the same place,”] in the RAP report provided it complies with the following:
Use “ibid.” (no italics) to refer to the only work cited in the preceding note/ sentence. It may or may not include a page number (Ibid., 43.). Ibid. is never used if the preceding note
consists of more than one source.[Please note your query should have been posted on the Harvard Referencing thread as it is the more relevant topic than competitor analysis!!]
April 15, 2019 at 12:28 pm #512817Hello,
I’ve a query in respect of referencing. I’m doing topic 17 and in my analysis and evaluation, the first thing I’ve done is benchmark my company’s corporate governance practices (taken from the Corporate Governance Report in their FS) against the principle and provisions of the specific edition of the corporate governance code.
In the lead in to this section I’ve disclosed that I’ve taken the following information on the GC practises from the FS and benchmarked them against the Code, for which I’ve referenced both through to my references list at this point using the Harvard Referencing System.
Do I need to put a reference to the GC Report after each bit of information I’ve taken from that report or will the reference at the beginning of this section noting that the following information taken from the GC Report (with the appropriate reference) suffice?
I’m just cautious about word count.
April 16, 2019 at 11:07 pm #513185Hello Trephena and Gillian. Please I have a question about my reference list. My mentor said I should remove the hyperlinks from my URLs. My understanding is that I should also change the colour from blue to black and should remove the underlining. I have doubts about this. Could you please very kindly confirm if my mentor is correct? Part of my hesitation is that if I remove the hyperlinks, it will be more difficult for the marker to access the websites to verify. Thanks for your help.
April 17, 2019 at 7:26 am #513205Yes the hyperlinks themselves should be removed and no URLs used in the body of the report. However with regard to your reference list itself there is no need to change the colour from blue to black or remove the underscore.
April 17, 2019 at 11:36 am #513236Dear Trephena, thank you so much for your reply. So sorry to have to trouble you again but I still need some clarification. Should I remove the hyperlinks from the reference list? I don’t have any URLs in the body of the report itself. Thanks.
April 17, 2019 at 12:23 pm #513245Hello Trephena,
I’ve completed topic 17, and i’ve benchmarked my company’s corporate governance practices (Taken from their GC report in their financial statements) against the UK CG Code.
Leading into this analysis section I’ve stated that I’ve taken the following information from the UK CG Code and referenced the applicable addition of the code (which are in my reference list).
I’ve also stated that the following corporate governance practices have been taken from the corporate governance report in the financial statements and referenced the financial statements (which are in my reference list).
My question is do I need to then reference each part of my analysis which details information in the code and benchmarks against the practices taken from the FS
Or
Will the references in the opening paragraph of this section suffice provided i make it clear that the information in this first section of analysis is taken from those two sources?
Going on after this section, each remaining section of my analysis includes references for each quotation, news article etc
April 23, 2019 at 3:32 pm #513869To pass Assessment Criterion 6 – Information gathering and referencing you are expected to demonstrate two aspects.
1. use of a range of relevant information sources and
2. clear evidence of correct referencing methodologyDealing with the first aspect: with Topic 17 you should be referring to a range of sources – for example the Big 4 produce reviews and commentary on CG and with the new title many of the issues of weak governance will have been covered either in official reports and / or the business press. Evidence of use of such sources will be deemed necessary so the Code and Financial statements on their own are unlikely to be sufficient.
Regarding the second: As you will be switching between the Code and the Financial Statements it would be normal to show this in your text as a reference i.e. making it entirely clear where any citations are coming from and which source you are using (the reader shouldn’t have to assume or guess as academic work is supposed to be methodical and precise.
Taking a universal approach is not really recommended as it could be construed as ‘Referencing is mostly absent or unsystematic’ and this is grounds for a fail.
If you are doing this because of issues of keeping within the word count you are recommended to edit your work to try to make way for appropriate referencing (Take a look at Parts 1 & 2 as you may be able to remove commentary that does not really add value there)
April 24, 2019 at 11:26 pm #514036Thanks Trephena,
I’ll add the referencing in and look to trim my word count.
I have used a wide range of other sources to gain information which I’ve included and referenced through.
May 14, 2019 at 12:53 pm #515892Help! If I have referenced articles on news sites – do i need to reference them as a newspaper article online i.e include the full date in my reference list or is it acceptable to treat it as a web page??
May 14, 2019 at 4:59 pm #515911Weblinks and URLs may be used in the reference list but please do not use them in the body of the report.
In the report you may reference them as the newspaper articles or use the name of the journalist but please read the Golden Rules on referencing (The Open Tuition Ultimate Guide to Referencing your RAP) available on the homepage to ensure you are consistent.
Markers need to be able to go straight from the report to the reference list and find things easily and then potentially be able to locate the original source – I know as I was a marker for 14 years!
August 26, 2019 at 12:20 am #528795If I use same reference source for more than one or two sentences in a paragraph can I write the reference after the paragraph? Or should I write it after each sentence?
Thank you!
August 27, 2019 at 9:56 am #531897The rule is every fact, opinion or the work of others needs its own reference. Therefore if you make different points within the same paragraph then these need a reference. Generally markers get exasperated if they find long paragraphs covering several things with a single ref at the end.
September 1, 2019 at 1:04 pm #544059Thanks Madam,
October 8, 2019 at 8:33 am #548343Good day
May I please know whether every single word in graphs get counted along with every percentage on the axis, (e.g. from 0%,5%,10%, all the upto 50%) and percentage on the bars of the bar chart?
October 9, 2019 at 7:14 am #548416Not exactly. However you need to make a reasonable allowance for graphs. I normally suggest that students allow about 100 words for graphs and diagrams so ensure that their word count is under 7,400. Do not paste in tables as images unless they are literally straight from the annual report. Tables should be constructed as Word tables instead.
Markers are aware of students trying to circumvent the word count and are likely to come down heavily on anyone whom they suspect of deliberately trying to abuse it. Therefore someone who overuses abbreviations (unless they are conventional abbreviations such as GP margin and EPS type of thing) could be failed on Communication if there are simply too many abbreviations to make sense of the commentary. If a report is crammed full of pasted written images and/or graphs the marker is likely to take the view if the word count is more than about 7,400 it has in fact significantly exceeded the 7,500 limit
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