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Referencing – Rules, Queries, Harvard etc.

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  • May 12, 2017 at 4:12 pm #385991
    Steven
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    Thank you Trephena.

    I meant that in the annual report 2016, the extract of the FS includes the years 2016,2015, 2014 together. Do i need to include the 2015 annual report as will be the same financial statements but the other 3 years included 2015,14,13.

    This was my question.. is it okay to include it like this?

    May 12, 2017 at 8:49 pm #386023
    pete28
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    How to name my file names when uploading my RAP?

    example. Research and analysis project
    Skills and Learning Statement

    or do i need to have my name or acca reg.no on it?

    thanks

    May 13, 2017 at 2:02 pm #386074
    bik123
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    Hi,

    there is recommendation to upload only referenced pages of annual report instead of full report. In my report I am referring to annual reports often. I provide page number in in text citation. Having said that, do you think it would be acceptable to upload 6 financial statements (3 fiscal year of my company and three for comparator.)?? Or better is to extract from PDF only relevant pages?
    Thanks

    May 14, 2017 at 12:58 am #386153
    trephena
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    Usually extracts from the financial statements are used and uploaded part of the Excel calculations. As all the large companies’ annual reports are online it is suffice just to reference and provide the link in the reference list

    May 18, 2017 at 11:21 am #386825
    Arun
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    I submitted by RAP yesterday and not that I can do anything about that but I just wanted to confirm that while referencing my report yesterday, the approach that I followed was that if an article in Sydney Morning Herald was written by Jamie Freed in 2016 then in the author’s field I wrote Jamie Freed’s name and not of the newspaper ie Sydney Morning Herald so that the reference appeared as (Freed, 2016).

    Is that okay?

    And moreover I had done my parts 1 and 2 last year but could not complete part 3.Therefore for those references I merely had to make guesses for the dates of access. Is that okay?

    Thanks.

    May 19, 2017 at 7:48 am #386994
    trephena
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    Yes the Sydney Herald or journalist’s name are equally acceptable.

    The only issue I can foresee over access dates is the marker may think you are reworking someone else’s work as they would expect all the access dates to be recent. If you have explained the issue of postponing your submission in your SLS you should be fine. Otherwise you may find your result is deferred and referred to the ACO for a preliminary investigation. Unfortunately there are unscrupulous students who do take other people’s work and base their RAPs on it so anything suspicious may be looked into.

    May 19, 2017 at 4:21 pm #387030
    Arun
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    Trephena,

    Thanks for your response!

    I did not mention that in my SLS and this has got me worried as I did not think this was going to be an issue.

    Moreover I was told by my mentor not to use any direct citations which I had. Not one but two. When my mentor did warn me about using direct citations, I changed that in my report and rephrased them and remover the inverted commas. But I just checked the RAP that I had submitted and those direct citations are still there. Maybe I did not save my file after removing them and rephrasing them. Will I be penalized on that? As my mentor told me about a student who failed his RAP as he had used a direct citation.

    Secondly I mentioned in part 1 that I will be using SWOT and Porter’s 5 forces but after going through your comments in the airline thread I changed my selection to SWOT and PEST and did my business and financial analysis using both those models but forgot to mention PEST instead of Porter’s 5 forces. Anything to worry?

    Thanks again.

    May 20, 2017 at 7:59 pm #387170
    trephena
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    No worries about 2 direct citations. In fact lots of references and a low Turnitin score are treated with suspicion by markers (Don’t ask me why but I assume that they expect some matches to be normal so when there is a big list and low score they think the references are not genuine or not being used correctly.

    Pity you did not go back and correct Part 1 to discuss the right models as inconsistencies are never a good thing in any work. If you discussed the limitations of Porters but ignored limitations of SWOT it just does not look good as the omissions would puzzle anyone marking….

    September 19, 2017 at 7:43 pm #407974
    alejandra
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    Hi Trephena,

    I hope this question is acceptable to ask.

    I am having trouble citing code principles/ provisions, that is, I am not sure of the appropriate way to do it at the end of the narration of what the principle requires.

    At first I thought I have to cite the code for example (FRC, 2016). But if I do it this way it means each principle/ provision I cite, will have (FRC, 2016) after it.

    Then I thought maybe I should cite : (section B.1 ).

    Is the first method the required one?

    September 20, 2017 at 12:45 pm #408071
    alejandra
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    Please ignore my question above. I didn’t phrase it well to bring out what exactly I wanted to know. I’ll give it another go below;

    I assume that I have to direct the reader to the exact place from where the provision I quoted was taken. Is it correct to do it as follows

    e.g Principle B2 of the code (FRC 2016) states,
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (p.22)

    At the end of the quotation should I put page numbers or the principle B2 is enough to guide?

    September 20, 2017 at 1:44 pm #408075
    trephena
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    Depending on your wording and the context “Principle B2 of the code (FRC 2016)” should be sufficient.

    Where you haven’t actually introduced the Principle in the sentence I think it would be acceptable to do either of the following in your RAP as a reference:

    (FRC, 2016, s. B.2) or
    (Code, 2016 s.B.2)
    as both of these as they include section numbers are near enough to guide the reader. Whilst of course you may put in page numbers I don’t consider it necessary and it uses up another word or two!

    September 20, 2017 at 2:28 pm #408082
    alejandra
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    Thank you very much! I appreciate your help.

    October 10, 2017 at 11:50 am #410175
    jrap
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    I am using “Referencing” feature of MS Word and using “Insert Footnote” feature for referencing purposes. This makes referencing similar to the wikipedia style. Is this fine ?

    October 11, 2017 at 8:30 am #410304
    trephena
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    It is acceptable fir the RAP. However if you go on to do a Masters you will be expected to be able to reference using Harvard.

    October 11, 2017 at 8:55 am #410310
    jrap
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    The Information pack Appendix 3, prescribes the Referencing guide. I personally feel that using the Wikipedia style, where references are mentioned in footer, brings more clarity to the document.
    What do you suggest ? Should I go with the referencing guide as per Appendix 3, or Wikipedia style is better ?

    October 11, 2017 at 10:48 am #410331
    trephena
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    The rules for the RAP are ‘systematic referencing’. Harvard is preferred by OBU but not prescribed so you can leave your work as it is as it fulfils the requirements. However as I pointed out you would be expected to use Harvard for any academic post-graduate degree work.

    ‘The Open Tuition Ultimate Guide to Referencing Your RAP’ was produced to provide a simple but clear guide to deal with basic referencing and should be sufficient for 99% of references and enough to pass if the Golden rules are followed

    See our homepage http://www.opentuition.com/obu

    October 31, 2017 at 9:58 pm #413906
    saifudeen
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    Hi Trephena

    I need your help. Please read my doubt carefully.

    I am talking about the reference list. Can I use online Harvard referencing generator sites to prepare my reference list?

    When I used Citethisforme.com for one example the result was showed like this :

    Cederholm, T. (2014). Global airline passenger traffic and capacity continue to grow. [online] Marketrealist.com. Available at: https://marketrealist.com/2014/12/global-airline-passenger-traffic-continues-grow/ [Accessed 30 Oct. 2017].

    In MS office Harvard referencing the result came like this:

    Teresa Cederholm, 2014. Global airline passenger traffic and capacity continue to grow. [Online]
    Available at: https://marketrealist.com/2014/12/global-airline-passenger-traffic-continues-grow/
    [Accessed 25 OCTOBER 2017].

    But in the OBU info pack it has been shown like this for another site :

    Jones, P. and Evans, J. (2006). Urban regeneration, governance and the state: exploring notions of distance and proximity. Urban Studies 43(9), pp.1491-1509. Academic Search Complete [Online]. Available at: https://web.ebscohost.com (Accessed 17 August 2010)

    You can understand the difference easily by looking at it.

    In one part of Info pack, it is saying that ” There are a number of ways in which the Harvard Referencing System can be presented, and all of these are, therefore ‘correct’.”

    and on the next page there is another sentence : “In the examples given below, pay attention to the punctuation, and in your own work, copy it exactly as it is set out – put the full stop in where it is placed in the example, and leave it out, if it isn’t in the example.”

    All I wanted to ask you is that do I need to TYPE each and every reference by paying attention to punctuations, full stop etc. Or can I use citethoisforme, Harvard generator or ms office inbuilt 2013 referencing software to do my reference list? Keep in mind all are generating different type of reference lists.

    Please answer my question Trephena.

    November 1, 2017 at 4:44 am #413918
    junaidabbas
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    Hello,

    I need advise about referencing inquiries from top management of other companies.Such as , I have inquired total number of investors in a company from CEO of an entity . How should I refer to this in my RAP report ?

    Furthermore, how should I refer figures in MS Excel. I have made a comparison of noteable financial figures from Annual Reports and newletters of a company. However, I am a bit confused about referencing these figures in MS Excel. Should I add an additional column and mention the source/reference for each figure there ?

    Looking forward to your advise.

    Thanks

    November 1, 2017 at 8:20 am #414019
    junaidabbas
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    Further to above mentioned post I would like to ask about the page number mentioning mechanism in case of documents/files obtained from web page.
    If a document from web page has mentioned page numbers on the file, the page numbers mentioned on the file should be used or the page number of the pdf file generated should be used ?
    e.g. the document’s page number in 25, but it is the 30th page in the document. In this case, 25 should be used or 30 , as reference?

    Thanks

    November 1, 2017 at 11:02 am #414029
    ezfer
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    hi trephena, wanted to ask is there any minimum number of references that one should give? im doing topic 20, and my mentor is saying that less than 40 references could get me failed.
    although theres nothing else i can incorporate at this stage and theres a word count issue i need to keep an eye on too.

    Please suggest
    hoping to hear from you
    thanks

    November 1, 2017 at 11:05 am #414031
    Anonymous
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    Please, tell me is it importnt to make part 1 exactly of 1000 words and part 2 of 2000. My words are 7500 words but part 2 is just 1300 and part 1 is approx 1000. Will it become problem or will they ignore it ?

    November 2, 2017 at 8:03 am #414109
    trephena
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    @saifudeen – The gist of your question is:

    “do I need to TYPE each and every reference by paying attention to punctuations, full stop etc. Or can I use citethoisforme, Harvard generator or ms office inbuilt 2013 referencing software to do my reference list? Keep in mind all are generating different type of reference lists.”

    The answer in one word is ‘no to your first question and ‘yes’ to your second (any of them)

    The issue is that the Information Pack extract you cite is issued to all students whereas a slightly lower standard of referencing is accepted for the RAP, where because students are not campus based and do not have access to a qualified academic tutor (just a mentor) the requirement is for ‘systematic referencing throughout’. I have set out the main requirements and understandable clear rules in the ‘Open Tuition Ultimate Guide to Referencing your RAP’ -read it on our homepage http://www.opentuition.com/obu

    November 2, 2017 at 8:23 am #414111
    trephena
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    junaidabbas – I have covered your first questionin the FAQ of ‘The Ultimate Open Tuition Guide to Referencing your RAP’ on our homepage http://www.opentuition.com/obu

    -it is normally treated as an interview however you could include the document you received back as an appendix and refer the reader to it

    With page numbering it is the page number of the original document not the electronic pdf page that should be used.

    With figures you can normally refer to the Appendices Excel spreadsheet and just show at the top of the tab a reference to the Annual Report (as there are only a few pages where the financial statements can be found)

    Regarding other questions please read the full Guide which I produced because it is convenient for students to have a good clear guide (and also because I just do not have the time to keep answering the same questions)

    November 2, 2017 at 5:40 pm #414119
    trephena
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    @ezfer – There is no ‘magic’ number a marker looks for – it is down to how thorough your research is, whether you have identified sufficient CSR problems and considered these CSR issues appropriately and explored them from different angles.

    It s quality of references and their relevance to your work that is important – 20 good appropriate references will impress more than 100 superfluous and irrelevant ones!

    November 3, 2017 at 1:25 pm #414216
    saifudeen
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    @trephena

    Thank you so much. I was really tensed as typing each reference is a time-consuming process.

    One more thing, which one do you prefer after looking at the above reference that I posted?

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