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@SalahUddin I saw that here https://libweb.anglia.ac.uk/referencing/harvard.htm
That is not right? Now I am confused as I have used the same approach in my rap :0@Kings And Queens you are correct, i am very sorry, my Reply was not about your post, my Reply was an answer to the question of @luv2break
I am honestly sorry about confusing u 😀
@SalahUddin all right thanks for confirming this 😀
It would be really helpful if you could correct my understanding on the following. I am finalising all the references but I have gotten very confused after seeing different sources explaining Harvard referencing system.
ANNUAL REPORT
In text citation: (ABC, 2013)
I also want to add the page # of the annual report to be more specific, should I add it here or in the list?
As well in the info pack pg 58 it’s written “For several documents by the same author published in the same year, use (a,b,c): e.g. (Watson, 2009a)”
Does this apply to the annual reports too, since I’ve used annual report reference a lot of times so for the alphabetical sequence should I use a,b.. ?In reference list: Should I add a pdf link or link of the section of website which has the annual reports?
Last thing – All the figures/percentages used in the analysis are explained in the excel sheet (appendix). So I have added a note at the start of the part 3 that “please refer appendix for all the numerical figures, tables and graphs.”
This is to save my words, will this work?(1) (ABC, 2013, p.70), Not in the list, just in the RR.
(2) nop, alphabetical sequence is not required in the situation that you are talking about, on pg.58 what is written is different than what you thought is written. 😀
(3) i think pdf link will be better if there are more than 1 similar pdf files on that section of website.
(4) i believe stating “please refer appendix for all the numerical figures, tables and graphs.” might be incorrect, so after every figure just write e.g (Appendix A)
To reduce your word count, when you finish writing your RR, begin reading your RR from start, compressing your sentences, till the end of the RR, then repeat the whole process again till you reach your target of 7500 limit, or 7400 just to be safe, as you might know, that words in graphs etc are included in the word count.
wow you got very detailed feedback from the examiner.. i only got a couple of lines
download the info pack 2013-2014 and read the Appendix 3.. it is about referencing and it is very well explained… on the in-text citation and the reference/bibliography list
@luv2break Although you say you ‘passed’ the business analysis this wouldn’t strictly be the case as presumably you unfortunately failed on ‘Evaluation, analysis & conclusions’? The whole thing is integrated I.e. the financial and business analyses are related. It is necessary to try to link the financial and business e.g.show how the company built on its strengths as evidenced in its profits and overcame its weaknesses in its financial strategies etc so you may NEED to update both to demonstrate this to pass Evaluation & analysis but such an update shouldn’t take much time. 🙂
There is some great advice in this forum on referencing 🙂 Remember if in doubt, reference – you are never going to be failed for extensive referencing (provided it is accurate and appropriate) however you can certainly be failed for under referencing and not using citation marks when making direct quotations!
hey Hi.. please guide me to what to reference in graphs and tables, i mean that what should i write under the graphs and tables…. Is it OK if i just simply write “Audited Annual report 2012 and 2011” under each graphs and tables, or I should write something else???
In my opinion referencing will be same, you need to mention where you got that data from. Even if you have presented the results after performing some calculations of your own you need to mention the source where you got the data from, usually the company’s website/annual reports as you have mentioned.
for eg. ( opentuition.com, 2014)
I have a question regarding harvard referencing. If the in text citation is numeric (instead of alphabetic=author name, date) and the list of references is arranged numerically but the format of references is as per the Harvard referencing as indicated in OBU pack, would that be correct? The reason I ask is the numeric style makes it easier for me to make sure that I did not miss anything while referencing. Please see example below and let me know if this is ok?
In text citation:
There were a lot of interesting topics to choose from the Oxford Brookes University’s list of suggested topics[1].List of references
1. ACCA (2014) Oxford Brookes BSc Degree resources, 26 March, [Online], Available: https://www.accaglobal.com/gb/en/student/acca-qual-student-journey/bsc-degree.html [Accessed 01 April 2014].@isookvi Although this method is most certainly not ‘Harvard’ referencing, you will be relieved to hear that in my experience I believe that this would be acceptable for your RAP submission 🙂 . This is because it fulfills the requirements of identifying in the text exactly what you are referencing and it shows in the Reference List where you have extracted the information from and when. (The test for a ‘good’ reference list is that the reader should be able to track down the original source easily – should they so wish!!! – or at least be able to check that the source exists via an internet search).
Learning to reference is considered to be a necessary graduate skill because it upholds good academic practice and because some students will be going on to do higher post-graduate degrees where the referencing rules are even more stringent (Harvard APA is usually mandatory). However OBU accept that as referencing is ‘new’ for most students doing the ACCA BSc in Applied Accounting, provided that they are systematic in the way they reference (i.e. don’t swap in the text between Harvard and the numerical system you are using), that every fact, opinion and statement is referenced in the correct place in the text (not just stuck at the end of paragraphs or the bottom of the page so you cannot see exactly what is being referenced) and all graphs, charts and tables are referenced + the list passes the ‘good referencing’ test outlined above, then it meets the referencing criteria for a pass. (I think I can hear your sigh of relief from here! 😀 )
Wow…. that is a great response. And you are right, I am quite relieved lol. I just prefer the numbering system because I can state it with each fact and figure and is a lot less confusing (for the reader) if i have used multiple sources within one paragraph.
Cheers and thanks again.
@kunleoniboukn – can you please give me a bit more information e.g. an URL address – I presume you do not have an actual author? I need a few more details to work from.
@kunleoniboukn if you have a name/ author then you use their name in the text then you follow the conventional rules for the Reference list.
If you mean a report that is ‘anonymous’ – does not actually have an individual author – this is an example so use that to guide you:
Treasury (2012). Fixing LIBOR: some preliminary findings – Treasury Second Report, Treasury Select Committee, https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmtreasy/481/48109.htm
thanks a lot. one of the analyst report i have is not dated. How do i reference that.
You must give it some type of suitable name that identifies it – I chose Treasury for the above example because that was the government department that issued the report but I suppose I could have called it (Parliament, 2012) – but the rules on referencing mean that the same name chosen must be used in both the text and the list. Where there is no date at all the convention is to write n.d. (no date) and so had my Treasury report not been dated I would have simply put : (Treasury, n.d) in the text and “Treasury (n.d.)” in the Reference List
@trephena… I didnt know that there are some kind people that will help u even if the question was asked from someone else, thank God i came to this thread and read ur reply to me as this was very much needed, after reading this reply i made several changes and connected the business analysis with financial one, you are really starting to increase my win percentage, feeling so excited.
However just one more doubt, i asked this somewhere else but didnt get a reply yet. Regarding referencing, In the second section of RAP which is information gathering it contains explanation of some models and their limitations, since they are mostly definitions and rule of facts should we try to explain them in our words to comply with referencing and put them in quotations, but then there will be too much quotations since information gathering section is mostly facts so all of them will be in quotations, Please help me regarding this what should i do.@luv2break with referencing when you make a statement of fact or opinion you are expected to use a reference to ‘add validity’ and authority to what you are saying – think of it like providing evidence to prove what you are saying is true. References are also required when you use the words/work or ideas of others – this is to acknowledge that someone else said it first, otherwise in effect without a reference you are presenting their theories and arguments as your own and this is considered to be plagiarism, (a very serious offence), by universities and academics.
However there are many facts in life that are so common that most people know them already e.g. if I wrote the President of the U.S.A’s official residence is the White House – I do not need to reference to provide evidence as everyone knows this is true. Similarly with your definitions – who knows who first came up with the liquidity ratio etc? It certainly wasn’t BPP or Kaplan! and therefore no reference is required. Regarding Limitations it is possibly not quite so clear cut but if citing from a book or study text you should use citation marks to indicate the relevant passage and show where the information came from as the words are not yours. If you don’t then it will be identified in the electronic checking process and where there are many instances flagged up by the system, you could find your result held up while the Academic Conduct Office investigates. Most are subsequently cleared by the ACO but where there is considered to be serious plagiarism ( or the work is found to have been copied) then the degree is not awarded.
Glad to hear you are linking your business & financial analyses and feeling more confident 😀 Good luck!
That was really a relief for me and now with all the help that i have got from here everything is complete and just this one part is remaining the limitations of models since i have copy pasted it from websites should i put them in inverted commas with reference because they also dont require to be written in our own words. Or there isnt any need of inverted commas since they also resemble facts. Thanks again so so much. I will wind up my project after your generous reply 😀
@luv2break – put all direct quotes from the text books or websites in citation marks with a reference then you have covered yourself. (Don’t put the full web page address in the text though, just in the Ref list). Once you have uploaded all of your files for submission you will feel a great sense of relief, spoilt only by the fact that you then have the long wait until Sep! However as all being well, you will pass and once your submission is complete as nothing else will change the outcome at that point, it really will be time to Chill baby! Chill! 😀
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