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- May 6, 2017 at 9:38 am #385061
Trephena, thank you so much for all your help!
One 2 more question from my side:)
1. Libraries with closed access + GOOGLE books as a library
i was using closed library (access granted from work) + google books. I do write the whole reference about the author, the book, but when i provide ” available at:” should i put just the library name, for example. http://www.books.google.com.2. i have ratios in my work and my work is systematic. For example, 1st of all i discuss results of horizontal analysis, then of veritcal, then ratios. In the beginning of each part i write the name of the part, for example, Horizontal analysis of balance sheet (Appendix 5, Tab Horizontal Balance Sheet). Would that be enough reference for the numbers and ratios of this part (can be several paragraphs under one naming) or i need to do smth different? I think it should be enough, as you said that the main point is for the reader to be able to find the numbers… but would like to check…
Thank you!!!!
May 6, 2017 at 12:02 pm #385078@bat7722 –
1. Unless you are over the word count then markers do not seem to worry about the words in the graphs. However they do look at tables if they are pasted as images (and therefore not picked up by the word count) if there seem to be lots of these and/or been used to try to get round the word count. So you probably don’t need to worry
2. It is fine to use the hard copy as a reference but put in the page number in the text reference (which is the norm with anything over about 20 pages)
3. Sorry there is no polite way of putting this but your mentor is talking rubbish. There should however be a good balance of annual report and other sources in Part 3.
4. That is ok
5. I do not understand who you mean by ‘reviewers’ – do you mean markers? I would have thought that as there are submissions on most companies they have master copies of BS, P& Ls, ratios and graphs for the most common companies. They possibly test some ratios as they also test some references.
6. your reuters ref is much too vague – you need to link to the actual articles
May 6, 2017 at 12:14 pm #385079@loverunsout – this is worrying. There is a limit of 50 mentees – you say he has tons of batches – OBU will remove a mentor from the list if this is exceeded or the mentor has lots of ACO referrals. If you contact me at trephena@opentuition.com with details I can try to find out what is going on via my contacts for your peace of mind. There is some provision for students whose mentor is suspended so if you write to me I can explain the process.
Sometimes though mentors have variations of their names so make sure you have checked the list completely.
May 6, 2017 at 1:29 pm #385085Hi Trephena,
When I first communicate with my mentor, I didn’t registered to the mentor list as I know that managed previous candidates that i personally know.
Is it mandatory to sign there http://www.oxfordbrookesmentoring.co.uk before submitting my work?
or is it okay?
thanks!
May 6, 2017 at 1:58 pm #385091@steven7 said:
Hi Trephena,When I first communicate with my mentor, I didn’t registered to the mentor list as I know that managed previous candidates that i personally know.
Is it mandatory to sign there http://www.oxfordbrookesmentoring.co.uk before submitting my work?
or is it okay?
thanks!
No you don’t need to register to this link https://www.oxfordbrookesmentoring.co.uk/
But, your mentor should be on the list.
May 6, 2017 at 2:03 pm #385093@trephena
thank you so much for prompt reply.Regarding Investopedia, should I cite it as (Investopedia(a), n.d.) or (Investopedia, n.d.(a))
May 6, 2017 at 2:08 pm #3850941. Unless you are over the word count then markers do not seem to worry about the words in the graphs. However they do look at tables if they are pasted as images (and therefore not picked up by the word count) if there seem to be lots of these and/or been used to try to get round the word count. So you probably don’t need to worry
2. It is fine to use the hard copy as a reference but put in the page number in the text reference (which is the norm with anything over about 20 pages)
3. Sorry there is no polite way of putting this but your mentor is talking rubbish. There should however be a good balance of annual report and other sources in Part 3.
4. That is ok
5. I do not understand who you mean by ‘reviewers’ – do you mean markers? I would have thought that as there are submissions on most companies they have master copies of BS, P& Ls, ratios and graphs for the most common companies. They possibly test some ratios as they also test some references.
6. your reuters ref is much too vague – you need to link to the actual articles
Thank you so much for the detailed responses. Still need to understand few things here if you can please:
1. Should I include words in graphs in my declared word count or not?
2. I don’t have hard copies to some books, eg, I used a Wiley series book and Strategic Management for part2. I hope it is fine to refer, eg, Williams as: Williams, K. (2009). Strategic Management. 1st ed. New York: DK Publishing.
I don’t want to go in the trouble of finding soft copies on internet and give [online] links because books are not available online for free.
6. I have referred to the actual articles, the above was just an example. My concern is, it is ok to refer a Reuters article written by Zhang as (Zhang, 2015) rather than (Reuters, 2015) right? Does it make any difference?
May 6, 2017 at 5:57 pm #385128@bat7722 said:
Thank you so much for the detailed responses. Still need to understand few things here if you can please:1. Should I include words in graphs in my declared word count or not?
2. I don’t have hard copies to some books, eg, I used a Wiley series book and Strategic Management for part2. I hope it is fine to refer, eg, Williams as: Williams, K. (2009). Strategic Management. 1st ed. New York: DK Publishing.
I don’t want to go in the trouble of finding soft copies on internet and give [online] links because books are not available online for free.
6. I have referred to the actual articles, the above was just an example. My concern is, it is ok to refer a Reuters article written by Zhang as (Zhang, 2015) rather than (Reuters, 2015) right? Does it make any difference?
1) Just go with the word count given at the corner of MS word. Don’t start counting all the words in your charts/graphs. Just make sure that you haven’t chunked by many words in one graph/chart – which causes problem.
I your chart/graph contains only labels – don’t worry about those words. Secondly, don’t worry about numbers that come on axis, because they are numbers not words, lol.
2) Trephena will give info on that one.
6) Reuters is good in my opinion, as it is the one which is reputable not the author.
May 7, 2017 at 12:21 am #385145@bat7722 – your reference proposals are fine including the Wiley one. You may use Zhang or Reuters.com provided you supply the full link in the list
May 7, 2017 at 8:35 am #385155Trephena, thank you so much for all your help!
One 2 more question from my side:)
1. Libraries with closed access + GOOGLE books as a library
i was using closed library (access granted from work) + google books. I do write the whole reference about the author, the book, but when i provide ” available at:” should i put just the library name, for example. http://www.books.google.com.2. i have ratios in my work and my work is systematic. For example, 1st of all i discuss results of horizontal analysis, then of veritcal, then ratios. In the beginning of each part i write the name of the part, for example, Horizontal analysis of balance sheet (Appendix 5, Tab Horizontal Balance Sheet). Would that be enough reference for the numbers and ratios of this part (can be several paragraphs under one naming) or i need to do smth different? I think it should be enough, as you said that the main point is for the reader to be able to find the numbers… but would like to check…
Thank you!!!!
@trephena
Hi Trephena, could you please answer to this one, if possible? thank you!May 7, 2017 at 11:55 am #385176May 7, 2017 at 5:53 pm #385231May 7, 2017 at 7:53 pm #385254What should be included in Bibliography??
I used emirates airlines and the latest financial statements available was that of 31st march 2016. I found some recent info which could affected its revenue for 31st march 2017. Can it be used under bibliography? i feel that this information is worth to be read to understand its current picture.
May 7, 2017 at 11:49 pm #385082@olkip – not sure I understand your problems.
General links to websites are fairly useless – the requirement is that the reference should be capable of being found easily and quickly. The marker has access to a massive depository of books, journals etc and they need to be able to home in on exactly what you are referring to, so a just providing a link to googlebooks.com with no link to the actual book and no mention of the page no. is no good and will cause them great frustration.
You just need to refer them to appropriate Appendix e.g. Appendix 5
May 8, 2017 at 6:15 pm #385395Hi Trephena/Ehsan
How do I refer industry sales’ graph considering I have plotted 2013-15 revenues on it but I have used 3 different sources to extract the information?
Couldn’t find info from single source.Can we do for example : (NYSE, 2015) (Statista, 2014) (Department of Transportation, 2013)?
May 8, 2017 at 7:59 pm #385416@trephena
Hi Trephena, thank you for your answer!
I am confused now – i should provide page numbers for every reference? I thought author, date, name of book and its location is enough(((Following the same logic – if i reference some info in the Annual report – i also should indicate a page? For example, when i am explaing why ratios changed and refer to Annual report.
thank you!
May 8, 2017 at 9:06 pm #385428No if you read the article on referencing I say there is no need to reference the financial statements as there are limited to just a few set pages. However with text from the annual report you either need to say where it is from e.g. the CEO report or give the page number as it could be any one of hundreds of pages. Once a document is over about 12 or 15 pages you should include the page number.
May 8, 2017 at 9:23 pm #385430@trephena said:
No if you read the article on referencing I say there is no need to reference the financial statements as there are limited to just a few set pages. However with text from the annual report you either need to say where it is from e.g. the CEO report or give the page number as it could be any one of hundreds of pages. Once a document is over about 12 or 15 pages you should include the page number.
@trephena
Thank you, Trephena!May 9, 2017 at 5:56 am #385441What should be included in Bibliography??
I used emirates airlines and the latest financial statements available was that of 31st march 2016. I found some recent info which could affected its revenue for 31st march 2017. Can it be used under bibliography? i feel that this information is worth to be read to understand its current picture.
May 9, 2017 at 6:50 am #385451@bat7722 said:
Hi Trephena/EhsanHow do I refer industry sales’ graph considering I have plotted 2013-15 revenues on it but I have used 3 different sources to extract the information?
Couldn’t find info from single source.Can we do for example : (NYSE, 2015) (Statista, 2014) (Department of Transportation, 2013)?
Hi Trephena
Could you please advise on this?
ThanksMay 9, 2017 at 7:07 am #385415@trephena said:
@olkip – not sure I understand your problems.General links to websites are fairly useless – the requirement is that the reference should be capable of being found easily and quickly. The marker has access to a massive depository of books, journals etc and they need to be able to home in on exactly what you are referring to, so a just providing a link to googlebooks.com with no link to the actual book and no mention of the page no. is no good and will cause them great frustration.
You just need to refer them to appropriate Appendix e.g. Appendix 5
@trephena
Hi Trephena,
thank you for your answer. I am confused now – i should provide a page number for every reference? :((( I thought referencing the author, book, its location is enough(((May 9, 2017 at 8:34 am #385468@OlikP said:
@trephena
Hi Trephena,
thank you for your answer. I am confused now – i should provide a page number for every reference? :((( I thought referencing the author, book, its location is enough(((Dear all, please ignore this one. guess this was some technical problem – delay almost a day in posting…
May 11, 2017 at 9:49 am #385735I am doing my appendices for Ryanair and competitor Easyjet.
I include the B/S and income statement of Ryanair from its annual report 2016 that it contains the B/S and I/S the 3 years together like 2016, 2015, 2014.
Is it okay to do that or do i need to include the extracts of the annual reports of 2015 and 2014.
Also for Easyjet, for the annual report of 2016, this includes 2016 and 2015 only. The annual report of 2015, includes 2015 and 2014 together. I need to include only this right?
Hope you understand.
Do i need to include a cover page for the appendices of their FS? or just include the pages that include the statements?
Thanks again!
May 11, 2017 at 9:58 pm #385898Please someone to answer my above post, i will be really thankful !
May 12, 2017 at 10:29 am #385961You need to include sufficient information to support your work. So your financial statements extracts need to cover all the years of your analysis. Note: if you only do a one year comparator analysis you will not get a grade higher than a C.
Your Excel spreadsheet needs to show how you did calculations and also how the graphs and charts derived from these figures.
No cover page for appendices is required however all the files and worksheets need clear titles.
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