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I have uploaded in a separate file.
Now its clear about the 8 pages! I thought that in Appendix there should not be more than 8 sides of page. I now understood it does not apply for the extracts of Financial statementsHi Trephena,
Quick question- for news articles from websites like BBC and Reuters, should we reference them as a website or an online newspaper? Does it matter, because I’ve done it for the Guardian and Telegraph, but not sure about these.
Also, because I’m doing topic 20, my graphs just use a few figures from the company’s website- should I put the website Link in the reference list or on my graphs- or does the in text citation for the numbers go to the graphs?
Thanks for all your help.
1. Doesn’t matter what you call them as long as you are consistent and include the link only in the list.
2. Write “Source: XYZ, 2015” or whatever under the graphs and reference this as normal in the list and include the link there. Sorry don’t understand the bit “or does the in text citation for the numbers go to the graphs?”
My topic is 8-
I need your help as I am going to submit my RAP asap tommorrow .
I used financial data as the financial extracts in my appendix excel file for ratio analysis , Must I write there in the appendix excel sheet at the beginning the source f.x. : website, annual report 15, page 8 in the excel sheet, or just upload as second appendix with my first ratio analysis appendix only 2 scanned paper of company’s complete consolidated balance sheet and Income Statement, I took some information from (revenue, costs,net profit etc.)
…) ? ?Furthermore , I am going to call my appendix like this : appendix_ratio analysis_acca_140…?
Thanks in advance !Please read Golden Rule no. 1 on our homepage http://www.opentuition.com/obu If you are referring back to the appendices in the graphs appearing in the text you just need to show the company name and relevant year of the statements in the appendices. Include the website link in your Reference list. It is not necessary for the Income statement and balance sheet information to include page numbers as there are a limited number of pages for these but written citations e.g quoting from the CEO statement should include the page numbers.
Try to load all you worksheet appendices as separate pages within the one Excel file, not separate files – name is not important as long as the pages are labelled appropriately
I just wanted to find out if you should reference the conclusion?
If you done a good RAP, SLS and Presentation and in text citation but did not manage to perfect and finish the reference list properly 80% done, do they just fail you or you get a lower grade?
@linia said:
I just wanted to find out if you should reference the conclusion?If you done a good RAP, SLS and Presentation and in text citation but did not manage to perfect and finish the reference list properly 80% done, do they just fail you or you get a lower grade?
Any statement which is not owned by you must be referenced. In conclusion most of the stuff will be your own stuff and interpretation of analysis done in Par3, so I don’t think you need to reference those. Furthermore, you must refrain from incorporating new information in conclusion, but if you had and the statement isn’t yours then reference it.
If you reference list doesn’t include all the in-text citation then you can fail certainly. It’s not about 80% or 99%, if the marker from the sample decided to select particular reference and that wasn’t in the list, you could be failed. Though, luck can be there, if the marker doesn’t select that missed reference.
I don’t know what is hard in creating reference list? It only takes few seconds, assuming you are not typing it by your own-self, that would be craaazy and prone to errors.
Regards
I did manually, i didn’t know spend so much time and effort as they were more than 80.
They were far from perfect and some could have been missed
I am gutted 🙁
Why did you do it manually? When MS word can create full list of references with one click.
Just hope marker doesn’t look for missed reference, and they aren’t material either.
Regards
@ehsan MS does create a full reference list according to the citation done but is that okay to use? I mean all the referencing guidance in the Info Pack, the MS reference list is not exactly made according to that but its okay to use it? Also, this reference list is made right under the RR and not separately when we have been advised to make a separate word document for it. What is your opinion on that?
Also, I have no idea how to differentiate between the citation of the media releases, CEO Addresses, director reports, sustainability reports, annual reports of a company since All belong to one company and it is the corporate author of them all. what do i do? differentiate by naming the report? like (XYZ Annual report, 2014) and (XYZ CEO Address, 2015) ?
Students use this MS feature, as writing by own is troublesome and prone to error.
XYZ News, 2016. Oil prices goes down. [Online]
Available at: https://www.XYZnews.com/news/2016/oil prices goes down
[Accessed 20 Dec 2016]This is an acceptable format, if you have widely different one, please check settings.
Create separate document, that’s what OBU require.
Both are Correct. But, insert page number of Annual report from where you obtain respected information.
Regards
Thank you for your response @Ehsan.
i have another question for you and @trephena
i am not getting a hang of how to reference annual reports or any other pdf source i get from the company’s investor centre.
Is it okay if i reference the annual reports or financial reports as a “document from website”? from the MS Word citing system rather than a website? Because it is a document and this seems right to me. I need your advice on this. Also i am referencing like this:
Qantas Annual Report. (2014). Investor Centre. [Online]. Available at: https://investor.qantas.com/FormBuilder/_Resource/_module/doLLG5ufYkCyEPjF1tpgyw/file/annual-reports/2014AnnualReport.pdf
(Accessed: 3 January 2017).
I am not sure if “Investor Centre” should be added as italic in the “name/title of webpage” area. What should be the name of webpage?
Also if i am citing (Qantas Ceo Address, 2014) in the RR should i reference this as
Qantas Ceo Address. (2014). Qantas Annual Report. p.3 [Online]. Available at—–
or i would have to write investor centre instead of qantas annual report here as well. basically i have a confusion regarding what the name of webpage would be.@trephena said:
Yes that’s fine.If you are citing from more than one page from the same source within your report that you insert the different page numbers in the text but then omit them in the list (as you should only list the same document once). If only using the document once in the text it is fine to have the page number either in the text or list or in both.
@trephena what does this mean? if i am citing from more than one page from the same document, won’t i be using a,b,c for it? like (XYZ Annual report, 2014a) and then b and c every time i choose information from a different page of the same annual report? How can i only reference it in the list only once? won’t i reference every time considering the a,b,c added? like
Virgin Australia Annual Report (2014a) name of webpage, url etc—so on at one time and the next time i’ll reference it as
Virgin Australia Annual Report (2014b)____?
please guide. Thanks.Please consult the Open Tuition Ultimate Guide to referencing Golden Rules No. 4, 8 and 9
https://opentuition.com/obu/golden-rules-and-principles-of-good-referencing-for-the-rap/
You seem to be confusing different PAGES of a document with different SOURCES – the same source should always have the same designator so you would not normally have the same annual report with the appendages (a), (b) etc (as you are showing above). The annual report pages are usually numbered in the pdf versions on the company’s website. These pages are shown in the text of the report as the rules cited above explain.
If you have information from, say, about increase in fuel cost from annual report 2017 page number 20. Then you should reference this in you main report as:
(Annual Report XXX, pg20, 2017) or something similar like this, so that the marker can easily get to the source.
Furthermore, let’s suppose that you have another infomation from same annual report and yea, but different page number then you should reference like this,
(Annual Report XXX, pg21, 2017). Now the marker can easily identify to separate sources, and these sourcrs in your reference list should appear only once. No duplication.
But you would need to use designators like a, b, c if you are to receive two or more information from same source.
In the above example let’s say you receieve both the information from same source, same year, same page number.
Then your referencing would be like:(Annual Report XXX, pg20, 2017a)
For second sourc: (Annual Report XXX, pg20, 2017b)
The rule is that the marker should be able to separate 2 sources from same source easily.
Ehsan the first part of what you have written is correct
However to clarify “But you would need to use designators like a, b, c if you are to receive two or more information from same source”
Is only true if the source DOCUMENTS are different e.g. Annual report 2017 p.20 is still the sane document as Annual Report 2017 p.21 so requires page numbers in the report but one and only ONE entry in the ref list namely, Annual Report 2017However if you were citing different news items from say Forbes or Reuters etc. from the same year these would require Forbes.com 2917(a); Forbes 2017(b); Reuters.com 2017(a); Reuters 2017 (b) etc. as these are different documents from the same source but in the same year. These then therefore need a separate listing in the ref list so the marker can distinguished from which source the reference in the text derived (and also as the link will be completely different).
@trephena oh i get it now. so that makes things really easy then. which means that i can have a lot of different pages from one annual report that i can cite in my RR but i will only refer it once in the list. phew. Thank you. i wasn’t able to understand it clearly before.
Is it okay if i reference the annual reports or financial reports as a “document from website” from the MS Word citing system rather than as a website? Because it is a document and this seems right to me. I need your advice on this. Also i am referencing like this:
Qantas Annual Report. (2014). Investor Centre. [Online]. Available at: https://investor.qantas.com/FormBuilder/_Resource/_module/doLLG5ufYkCyEPjF1tpgyw/file/annual-reports/2014AnnualReport.pdf
(Accessed: 3 January 2017).
I am not sure if “Investor Centre” should be added as italic in the “name/title of webpage” area. What should be the name of webpage?Generally your referencing doesn’t have to be 100% perfect -as explained in the Open Tuition Ultimate Guide to Referencing your RAP – the marker needs to be able to identify what is being referenced, what the source is and be able to find the details of that source easily in the reference list and either find the original document or at least verify it exists from the details given.
If you bear that in mind then I think you should be able to answer your subsequent questions. The actual wording unless a definite book or journal article are not so critical as the link (provided it is correct) would take the reader to the right document. It is therefore essential the in text references and reference list entries match (including designations) … and as long as you apply the Golden Rules your referencing should meet the Assessment Criteria 😀
Dear Trephena,
I was very confident about my referencing, as I had 90+ in my report and well balanced one.
But, recently I just found out that out of 90, 1 reference that I used in three occasions for my rival company was wrong.
My confidence has been really dented now… Will the marker fail me on my referencing just because 1 source was wrong out of 90+ ???
I really don’t wanna fail for this stupid mistake, as I have to update my report to FY16. And FY16 isn’t that interesting at all… nothing special happened Lol.
Thanks
I very much doubt you will be failed my sweet 🙂
Perfection is not expected. If references are missing either in the report or list or both, the odd one is ignored. I think it is like audit testing -they test a few if they are fine everything else is assumed to be ok. If one or two are wrong (e.g. links don’t work or the designators seriously don’t match) they will normally test a few more before deciding if there is a problem and the student must be failed. According to my marker friend it is often a case of the marker get exasperated if they can’t find things and if there is a lot of it they just give up and fail the student.
So chill baby, chill! 😀
(For anyone else reading this just follow our Golden Rules in the Open Tuition Ultimate Guide to Referencing your RAP on our homepage http://www.opentuition.com/obu and you should be fine)
BTW I messed up one of my important references when I did my Masters so you are in good company 🙂 (and nobody said anything!)
But i used that reference 3 times on material issue for by competitive.
Do they mark RR and presentation differently too?
Not sure what you mean. The report is marked on 7 dimensions (that correspond to the Assessment Criteria – see Appendix 1 of the Info Pack). If you fail on any of these 7 then the report is failed. The SLS and Presentation are marked as separate components so if you fail these but pass the report then you retain that grade for the report once you pass the SLS/Presentation (so if the report got an A you would eventually get the A grade). Otherwise a fail of the report means you can never get more than a C grade on resubmission.
References are not expected in the Presentation.
… and in my Masters dissertation the reference I messed up was on one of the major pieces of research I was citing (the author had done work in two main areas a couple of years apart and although I mentioned both I used the same reference for both)
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