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- June 5, 2015 at 7:11 pm #254119
@afuyegallas said:
Exactly what I did for the extra interest part. And I arrived at $19K net cost.Did u use a net benefit/net cost approach? I asked bcos there is another way to do it in full by calculating all the costs in full and not just the differentials.
I’m sure some people mixed both methods up somehowIt’s not mixing up methods – we all did a cost/benefit approach – we just have different answers for the advance interest based on either using receivables balance or invoices raised.
June 5, 2015 at 7:12 pm #254120The only mistake i made in question 4, i got new EPS, but forgot to divide it by a new number of shares after rights issue. Will get the marks for the method though
June 5, 2015 at 7:13 pm #254122Factor was acceptable.
Benefit 50000 Admn cost
bad debt 1×2675000×70
recevable were more then 4 million revised 35/360×26750000 the difference was above a million and multiple 5% cost of it saving.Cost
0.0075×267500000
Revised receivable 35/360×26750000×2%
AcceptableJune 5, 2015 at 7:14 pm #254124But why and how did you get 19k net cost?
June 5, 2015 at 7:15 pm #254127@jenny3549 said:
Exactly!!!I thought the point was to cover a good range of the syllabus but they didn’t. Loads were left out and it was all on markets etc. Nothing like practice ones – and I did plenty!!
You seem pretty spot on methods and marks Jenny, you’ll pass comfortably!
But I don’t think there was 5 questions on MCQ’s to do with WACC, Inventory, Working Capital, investment appraisal etc, 1 little FX.I know next time if I need to resit September, I’m going big on theory and just try to learn the textbook. Which considering it’s meant to be a practical exam doesn’t really help you, disappointing from acca.
What’s even more frustrating is they don’t release the questions for section A.
June 5, 2015 at 7:15 pm #254128@emo777 said:
The only mistake i made in question 4, i got new EPS, but forgot to divide it by a new number of shares after rights issue. Will get the marks for the method thoughProbably only 1/2 mark lost.
Wasn’t sure on this one whether there was enough to justify 8 marks since it wasn’t asking for discussion so hoping my calculations were enough.
June 5, 2015 at 7:19 pm #254130Yeah, i divided it by old number of shares :/ then multiplied it by current p/e ration to compare with theoretical ex rights price. Because my new eps was incorrect, the comparison should be wrong as well. But this was the only issue
June 5, 2015 at 7:20 pm #254131@jamesuk19 said:
You seem pretty spot on methods and marks Jenny, you’ll pass comfortably!
But I don’t think there was 5 questions on MCQ’s to do with WACC, Inventory, Working Capital, investment appraisal etc, 1 little FX.I know next time if I need to resit September, I’m going big on theory and just try to learn the textbook. Which considering it’s meant to be a practical exam doesn’t really help you, disappointing from acca.
What’s even more frustrating is they don’t release the questions for section A.
True! Was so disappointed with Section A – I did the December exam as final practice yesterday and got all the MCQs right – not a chance on this one – am scoring myself 10/20 to be on the safe side as the Law of Sod says the ones I was unsure of will all be wrong!
Considering what a big part of the syllabus cost of capital is I can’t believe, that with no WACC in B, there was so little in A to make up for it! Nearly fell off my chair to see Baumol though instead of Miller Orr – but since the method is the EOQ basically maybe they count that as a two for one on working capital.
June 5, 2015 at 7:21 pm #254132@jenny3549 said:
It’s not mixing up methods – we all did a cost/benefit approach – we just have different answers for the advance interest based on either using receivables balance or invoices raised.I definitely got the calc’s wrong by the looks of it. I calculated the factoring cost on the receivables *80% – but at 7%, not 2%. Didn’t think about the 5% finance cost to net against the advance from the factoring company.
Although I concluded that the factoring was not worthwhile , hopefully I get some method marks for the other calculations 🙂June 5, 2015 at 7:21 pm #254133guys i think we r just wasting time talking about part b..part b questions was easy enough depending on ones preparation. and it doesnt really matter if we get a few things wrong..as we will still get most of the marks for methods and calculations..having said that i dont know what to expect from acca anymore. so lets talk about part a guys where i think most of us had serious problem as questions were not only tricky some of them were not even in the study text.i would really appreciate if any of u think u done quite alright in sec a then pls come forward and share the answer with us. thnk u
June 5, 2015 at 7:21 pm #254135I completely messed up Q4. Did a few calculations which I’m hoping might pick up a mark or two. I calculated a TERP, was that neccessary? worked out a P/E ratio, was that neccessary? not a clue.
June 5, 2015 at 7:21 pm #254136@emo777 said:
Yeah, i divided it by old number of shares :/ then multiplied it by current p/e ration to compare with theoretical ex rights price. Because my new eps was incorrect, the comparison should be wrong as well. But this was the only issueYou’ll get follow on marks for your comparison so you’ll be ok. Even if the EPS is wrong, if your comparison is right based on your figure, you’ll get full marks for that.
June 5, 2015 at 7:23 pm #254139Yeah, bpp revision kit has two similar questions and acca just combined them in one. I knew what to do, just made a small mistake in the very end
June 5, 2015 at 7:25 pm #254141Really? Didnt know that. Just forgot to add additional 4000000 shares to existing 20000000. So, has 20 in denominator, instead of 24
June 5, 2015 at 7:26 pm #254144@nirjhardey said:
guys i think we r just wasting time talking about part b..part b questions was easy enough depending on ones preparation. and it doesnt really matter if we get a few things wrong..as we will still get most of the marks for methods and calculations..having said that i dont know what to expect from acca anymore. so lets talk about part a guys where i think most of us had serious problem as questions were not only tricky some of them were not even in the study text.i would really appreciate if any of u think u done quite alright in sec a then pls come forward and share the answer with us. thnk ulol, read back though the forum – everyone’s been discussing the MCQs in Section A. Some of us have also posted our answer choices too.
June 5, 2015 at 7:29 pm #254145@mfc2476 said:
I completely messed up Q4. Did a few calculations which I’m hoping might pick up a mark or two. I calculated a TERP, was that neccessary? worked out a P/E ratio, was that neccessary? not a clue.Both necessary! So, you didn’t do as badly as you thought.
Basically, shareholder wealth in this question is based on share price because no information re dividends so we need to figure out how the rights issue affects this.
So, calculate TERP to find new value of shares after rights issue – is lower that current MV but shareholder wealth not affected yet overall due to having more shares.
But, then need to look at what we do with the money raised. In this case buy back bonds. So, money raised (less issue costs) divided by the price to buy back the bonds (MV x premium of 5% I think) – gave (off the top of my head) the ability to buy back 100,000 bonds so nominal value of bond reduction was $10m.
Therefore we will now save interest on the £10m bonds – calculate the post tax interest saving and add to current earnings to get revised earnings. Divide by new number of shares (24m) to get revised EPS.
Calculate existing PE ratio and multiply by new EPS to get forecast share price – compare to TERP for capital gain or loss for shareholder – ie effect on wealth – I had loss.
That’s what I did anyway but have a feeling I may have been missing something since past questions like this have had really long answers.
June 5, 2015 at 7:30 pm #254146I think m gonna have to resit this paper. I have it like 1% of my time. 99% of my time was spent on P1 and P2. To be fair I only revised in the last 5 days and left chapters out.
Q4 for me was tricky. Q2 put of me off but I think I might get a mark or 2 for stating the rule of dvm and earning yield method.
Nevertheless. Move on. F9 is history.
Best of luck everyone 🙂
June 5, 2015 at 7:32 pm #254148AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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ive got same
June 5, 2015 at 7:32 pm #254149@emo777 said:
Really? Didnt know that. Just forgot to add additional 4000000 shares to existing 20000000. So, has 20 in denominator, instead of 24Yep, you’ll be fine – we tend to forget they don’t penalise us more than once for getting something wrong. It’s like the NPV question, if someone had forgotten to inflate the selling price they could still get 8/9 (or even 8.5 depending on the mark for inflation).
June 5, 2015 at 7:35 pm #254151I dont recall any long form question asking for a definition…
June 5, 2015 at 7:35 pm #254152I think you messed up with 5% premium 😀 i think it was given to mislead us. The thing you had to do is to multiply net cash raised after issue costs by 100 and then divide by 104 to find the nominal value of loan to be redeemed. The you calculate the saving on interest. They took it from bpp revision kit, and you need premium only for calculation of cost of redeemable debt, which was not relevant in this case.
June 5, 2015 at 7:37 pm #254153Why do you need definitions when Chelsea FC are champions of England? 😛
June 5, 2015 at 7:38 pm #254154That’s a bit reassuring Jenny. I also calculated that we could buy back 100,000 bonds @ 109.20?
For the second part of the question I spoke about traditional theory and M&M. I mentioned about the tax shield effect when paying interest as opposed to dividends which are not tax deductable. I concluded that paying off the debt will probably not acheive the aim of optimising the WACC as the debt is cheaper?
June 5, 2015 at 7:40 pm #254155But they asked for the effect of rights issue? What you wrote was general. I talked about 3 possibilities: when shareholders take the rights, when they sell the rights and when they do nothing
June 5, 2015 at 7:41 pm #254156Part B of Q4 I wrote about my life story 🙂
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