the last part of the journal entry for Reserve transfer, Retained Earning is a Credit balance and how we credit Retained earning with $1,588? An excess depreciation would have resulted a reduction in retained earnings but crediting retained earning by $1,588 results an increase in retained earning? I am sorry , a bit confused?
Sir thanks for a very very informative lecture…..i want to ask one thing…..whats the journal entry to show the GAIN in income statement…thanks in advance…hopes u will answer this question….
I was wondering why the depreciation period was calculated over 17 years when the original useful life is 20 years and we have already depreciatied 3 years ( 2012/2013/2014) before revaluation. 2015 should have been the fourth year and therefore the depreciation after revaluation over 16 years wich is the rest of the useful life ?
Hi Sir, Got it till here but what about the subsequent years where revalued amount remains same as 95M and dep exp is 5588? Each year its going from revaluation reserve to retained earnings as 1588? If yes or no how can it be explained? Also do we have any question where 2 time revaluation occurs? How to treat it as second time?
I think OCI and revaluation reserve cannot go at the same time entries – DR Asset 27k CR OCI 27k ———————- DR OCI 27K CR SPLOCI 27K —————————– DR depn 5588 CR SPLOCI 5588 ——— And charge excess depn from reserves and surplus —————————————————————————————
we can either transfer the 27000 in SPL (OCI) or in revelation reserve .sir has credited SPLOCI by 27000 and also is showing revaluation reserve in SFP by 27000 less 1588.This is not possible
Please, what happens to excess depreciation charge if the useful life of an asset is reviewed downward causing the depreciation charge to be less than it was before the review. Do we simply treat the excess amount as normal by crediting the retained earnings and debiting the revaluation surplus (through SOCE)?.
Sir, if assuming there are entries such as excess depreciation or disposal of a revalued asset, where we Credit our Retained earnings, are we supposed to show the similar resulting effects in our P/L as well?
So that we can revalue the asset upwards to its new value. The total revaluation is effectively done in two stages. Firstly we are taking the current carrying value to the original cost and secondly increasing the cost to the new value of the asset.
Any new depreciation is then recorded in the usual fashion using the depreciation expense account and the accumulated depreciation account.
Thank you Chris. I believe that a lot of students like me were scratching their heads about the journal entry for the 27k gain in OCI :). Thank you for your reply indeed ? all makes sense now
The gain is recorded in the revaluation reserve, which is part of equity on the statement of financial position. All the company’s gains/losses are then disclosed in the statement of profit and loss and other comprehensive income, so as the gain has not been realised it is shown in OCI. There is no additional journal entry for this, it is just purely a matter of presentation.
I just read your comments which has answered my question. I’m very grateful for this clarification as I kept thinking what was the double entry for the OCI? if the revaluation gain is recognised in the Revaluation reserve (in the SoFP).
sorry I think I asked this question already but can’t find it in the comment history.
I am getting hung up the designated account for revaluation gain: are we posting to the revaluation reserve in SOFP (Equity – Other Income) or OCI? I particularly mean the following JE:
DB – Assets SOFP – increase by diff. Reval. and actual cost DB – Accumm. depr SOFP – remove depr. to date CR – Revaluation Reserve – Equity or OCI?
DB – Revaluation Reserve – Equity or OCI? CR – Retained Earnings
Also instructed by IAS1 – Disclose Revaluation Gain in OCI – is this a ‘second’ step and the initial JE posts to SOFP – Other Income?
I would suggest to use the T-accounts to understand these type of accounting entries. Initially we need to Debit the PPE and Acc. Depn accounts by 15,000 and 12,000, respectively, and credit the Revaluation Reserve account (not the SFP directly) by 27,000. Then the increase in depreciation of 1,588 (5,588-4,000) will need to be debited to the revaluation reserve account (not the SFP directly) and credited to the SPLOCI (under the OCI section).
As the Revaluation Reserve is an Equity element therefore the ending account balance of 25,412 (Cr 27,000 – Dr 1,588) at the year end (31-12-15) will be shown will be shown as the revaluation reserve under the Equity section in the SFP.
bhavikabatra99 says
Thankyou so much for that Journal entry section. I think i am an Accountant already. ?
thiru2000 says
the last part of the journal entry for Reserve transfer, Retained Earning is a Credit balance and how we credit Retained earning with $1,588? An excess depreciation would have resulted a reduction in retained earnings but crediting retained earning by $1,588 results an increase in retained earning? I am sorry , a bit confused?
shahidyarkhan says
Sir thanks for a very very informative lecture…..i want to ask one thing…..whats the journal entry to show the GAIN in income statement…thanks in advance…hopes u will answer this question….
ikhalo says
i cant see any video on my end
kinokoloss says
Great Lecturer!
Pratibhapahwa4313 says
Hi Chris,
Could you please elaborate the last journal entry. I really couldn’t understand the basis.
Many thanks!
Sheyla says
Hi, I was wondering.. why the amount of 1,588 is not shown as part of equity in the statement of financial position? (under Retained earnings).
Thanks
liamna says
hi ,
I was wondering why the depreciation period was calculated over 17 years when the original useful life is 20 years and we have already depreciatied 3 years ( 2012/2013/2014) before revaluation. 2015 should have been the fourth year and therefore the depreciation after revaluation over 16 years wich is the rest of the useful life ?
liamna says
I got it – my mistake
Shoukat747 says
Hi Sir,
Got it till here but what about the subsequent years where revalued amount remains same as 95M and dep exp is 5588? Each year its going from revaluation reserve to retained earnings as 1588?
If yes or no how can it be explained?
Also do we have any question where 2 time revaluation occurs? How to treat it as second time?
Accountantnl says
Im still kind of confused so will talk you through my workings
Revaluation
Dr BS PPE 27k
Cr BS Revaluation Reserve (RR) 27k
Depreciation
Dr PL depreciation 5,588
Cr BS PPE 5,588
So at this stage we have
PPE of 89,412
Dep of 5,588
RR of 27,000
Now I understand the excess depreciation is 1,588 so I
Dr RR 1,588
Where does the cr go?
Accountantnl says
Ignore this – I got the answer. Should have continued watching the video 馃檪
Priyansh says
I think OCI and revaluation reserve cannot go at the same time
entries –
DR Asset 27k
CR OCI 27k
———————-
DR OCI 27K
CR SPLOCI 27K
—————————–
DR depn 5588
CR SPLOCI 5588
———
And charge excess depn from reserves and surplus
—————————————————————————————
we can either transfer the 27000 in SPL (OCI) or in revelation reserve .sir has credited SPLOCI by 27000 and also is showing revaluation reserve in SFP by 27000 less 1588.This is not possible
Ambuj11 says
Thanks
shah19888888 says
Can someone please explain the double entry to OCI element. I cant seem to figure it out.
DR Asset 17000
DR acc deptn 12000
CR rev surplus 27000
how do we post OCI
please ignore the additional depreciation element for now.
Help v much appreciated.
Ambuj11 says
Thanks
olaristotle75 says
Please, what happens to excess depreciation charge if the useful life of an asset is reviewed downward causing the depreciation charge to be less than it was before the review. Do we simply treat the excess amount as normal by crediting the retained earnings and debiting the revaluation surplus (through SOCE)?.
olaristotle75 says
Causing the depreciation charge to be more that it was before review i mean
dmurangwa1 says
The excess depreciation is transferred from revaluation surplus to retained earnings as the benefit realized at the reporting date.
olaristotle75 says
Thank you Opentuition.
mehrfatima says
Hello sir,
Thank you for the lecture video above.
Sir, if assuming there are entries such as excess depreciation or disposal of a revalued asset, where we Credit our Retained earnings, are we supposed to show the similar resulting effects in our P/L as well?
Thanks,
Mehr.
dalvi97 says
Why to do CR accumulated depreciation?
P2-D2 says
We need to remove the accumulated depreciation to get back to the original cost, and so therefore it is debited (not credited!).
szogun says
Why do we need to get back to the original cost rather than from 2015 adding new depreciation to accumulated dep?
This asset is effectively treated as a new asset, isn’t? If we reserve the accumulated dep are not understated accumulated depreciation?
P2-D2 says
So that we can revalue the asset upwards to its new value. The total revaluation is effectively done in two stages. Firstly we are taking the current carrying value to the original cost and secondly increasing the cost to the new value of the asset.
Any new depreciation is then recorded in the usual fashion using the depreciation expense account and the accumulated depreciation account.
Thanks
lucie13 says
Thank you Chris. I believe that a lot of students like me were scratching their heads about the journal entry for the 27k gain in OCI :). Thank you for your reply indeed ? all makes sense now
Renee says
What about the statement of changes in equity? Would the revaluation reserve also go there?
Renee says
Under the Revaluation Surplus heading?
P2-D2 says
Hi,
The gain is recorded in the revaluation reserve, which is part of equity on the statement of financial position. All the company’s gains/losses are then disclosed in the statement of profit and loss and other comprehensive income, so as the gain has not been realised it is shown in OCI. There is no additional journal entry for this, it is just purely a matter of presentation.
Thanks
f6f7 says
Hi Tutor,
I just read your comments which has answered my question. I’m very grateful for this clarification as I kept thinking what was the double entry for the OCI? if the revaluation gain is recognised in the Revaluation reserve (in the SoFP).
Debleen says
thanks a lot for the clarification
atrojak says
Hi Sir,
sorry I think I asked this question already but can’t find it in the comment history.
I am getting hung up the designated account for revaluation gain: are we posting to the revaluation reserve in SOFP (Equity – Other Income) or OCI?
I particularly mean the following JE:
DB – Assets SOFP – increase by diff. Reval. and actual cost
DB – Accumm. depr SOFP – remove depr. to date
CR – Revaluation Reserve – Equity or OCI?
DB – Revaluation Reserve – Equity or OCI?
CR – Retained Earnings
Also instructed by IAS1 – Disclose Revaluation Gain in OCI – is this a ‘second’ step and the initial JE posts to SOFP – Other Income?
Hope my question makes sense!
Thanks,
Anja
ssaeed says
I would suggest to use the T-accounts to understand these type of accounting entries.
Initially we need to Debit the PPE and Acc. Depn accounts by 15,000 and 12,000, respectively, and credit the Revaluation Reserve account (not the SFP directly) by 27,000. Then the increase in depreciation of 1,588 (5,588-4,000) will need to be debited to the revaluation reserve account (not the SFP directly) and credited to the SPLOCI (under the OCI section).
As the Revaluation Reserve is an Equity element therefore the ending account balance of 25,412 (Cr 27,000 – Dr 1,588) at the year end (31-12-15) will be shown will be shown as the revaluation reserve under the Equity section in the SFP.
Hope this helps!