Hi Sir, Thank you for your great lectures firstly. I have a question regarding a question on Kaplan workbook. The question is; On April 20×6 Taggarts acquires telephones for its sales force under a two-year lease agreement. The terms of the lease require an initial payment on $2000, followed by two payments of $8000 each on 31 March 20×7 and 31 March 20×8.
My answer is; Year1 DR expense 6750 CR accruals 4750 CR bank 2000
Year2 DR expense 2250 DR accruals 5750 CR bank 8000
Year3 DR expense 9000 CR accruals 1000 CR bank 8000
SPL. Year1. Year2 Year3 Expense. 6750. 2250. 9000
SFP. Accruals. 4750. (1000). NIL
Is my answer correct? can accruals be negative on year 2? Thank you for your help in advance!
In the same way. You look at the total payments and divide by the number of lease periods to work out the annual rental expense and then proceed from there. A rent free period in the second year isn’t really an likely situation anyway.
Hello Sir, What if there is no rent-free period, in that case, will we Dr. the SPL A/c and Cr. the Bank A/c with $2,000 for the 4 yrs and only the Rental expense be shown in the SPL?
Thanks Jatin
divij19says
sir, why cant we just pay 2000 in the next three years and show nothing in the first year
Why should year 1 results benefit from the use of that asset yet show no expense? The accepted accounting treatment is to show the true cost of the lease of the asset and charge it over those accounting periods that benefit from the use of that leased asset
it is said that payable in arrears which also means pay in next year. so, the first year is rent-free, meaning we dont have to pay anything in yr2. but for yr2 payment, shouldnt it be paid in yr3? therefore we should not credit bank 2000 in yr2?
No, payment in arrears means payment at the end of the period. Therefore the payment in year two is made on the last day of the reporting period of year two.
Hello Chris, I was doing one example for low value asset from Kaplan P-185. Solution is also provided there but for one year only. I have tried to do next two year with journal as well. Would you please let me know if my entry is correct if not please let me what would be the correct treatment. Thanks. Mohammad Alam
Example- On 1 April 20X6 Taggart acquires telephones for its sales force under a two-year lease agreement. The terms of the lease require an initial payment of $2,000, followed by two payments of $8,000 each on 31 March 20X7 and 31 March 20X8.
Required- Show the impact of this lease arrangement on the financial statements of Taggart for the year ended 31 December 20X6.
Solution- Annual Lease rental= (Total Rental Payable/ Total Lease Period) =($2,000+$8,000+$8,000) / 2 = $9,000 per Annum
Expense to 31 December 20X6 = $9,000 × 9/12 = $6,750
Double Entry- Year 20X6 Dr Statement of Profit and Loss (Expense Increase) $6,750 Cr Accruals $4,750 Cr Bank $2,000
Year 20X7 Dr Statement of Profit and Loss (Expense Increase) $9,000 Dr Accruals $4,750 Cr Accruals $5,750 Cr Bank $8,000
Year 20X8 Dr Statement of Profit and Loss (Expense Increase) $2,750 Dr Accruals $5,750 Cr Bank $8,000
Financial statements extract: Statement of Profit or Loss for the year ended 31 December Lease rental Expense 20X6 ($6,750) 20X7 ($9,000) 20X8 ($2,250)
Statement of Financial Position as at 31 December Current Liabilities- Accrual 20X6 $4,750 20X7 $5,750 20X8 Nil
A provision is essentially accounting for uncertainty and is a liability of uncertain timing or amount. Here we know the amount and the timing of the payment hence why it is not a provision.
Hi Sir, when we didn’t pay the 1st year rental then the liability which is recording of $1,500 is the next year payable amount or something else? Secondly, Per annum rental is $1,500 then in the 2nd year why we we record accrual $ 500 ?
Suppose that if any year payment couldn’t pay then what is the treatment of that year payment?
hi sir, when we credited accrual in 1st yr after that we cr cash by 2000 if we didnt pay the lessor in first yr for the expense where did the 500 goes ?
DR Expense 1,500 DR Accrual 500 (balancing figure) CR Bank 2,000
Will it be the same (identical) for year 3 and 4? Also, in the financial statement extract you did for SFP, you didn’t include any accounting for bank/cash. Why?
Nikitagarwal says
Hi Sir, Since the journal states Bank as well, so why havent we included it in year 1 ,2,3,4 presentation done in last ?
tugcem says
Hi Sir,
Thank you for your great lectures firstly. I have a question regarding a question on Kaplan workbook. The question is;
On April 20×6 Taggarts acquires telephones for its sales force under a two-year lease agreement. The terms of the lease require an initial payment on $2000, followed by two payments of $8000 each on 31 March 20×7 and 31 March 20×8.
My answer is;
Year1
DR expense 6750
CR accruals 4750
CR bank 2000
Year2
DR expense 2250
DR accruals 5750
CR bank 8000
Year3
DR expense 9000
CR accruals 1000
CR bank 8000
SPL. Year1. Year2 Year3
Expense. 6750. 2250. 9000
SFP.
Accruals. 4750. (1000). NIL
Is my answer correct? can accruals be negative on year 2?
Thank you for your help in advance!
tugcem says
My potential other answer is;
Year1
DR expense 6750
CR accruals 4750
CR bank 2000
Year2
DR expense 2250
DR accruals 4750
DR prepayment 1000
CR bank 8000
Year3
DR expense 9000
CR prepayment 1000
CR bank 8000
SPL. Year1. Year2. Year3
Expense. 6750. 2250. 9000
SFP.
Accruals. 4750. NIL. NIL
Prepayment – 1000. NIL
Please help me out, which one is the correct way to do it?
zulma85 says
It is only two years
nymnzm says
What if lessor grants 2nd year as rent free period ? And how will it be recorded?
P2-D2 says
In the same way. You look at the total payments and divide by the number of lease periods to work out the annual rental expense and then proceed from there. A rent free period in the second year isn’t really an likely situation anyway.
Thanks
jatingupta@2097 says
Hello Sir,
What if there is no rent-free period, in that case, will we Dr. the SPL A/c and Cr. the Bank A/c with $2,000 for the 4 yrs and only the Rental expense be shown in the SPL?
Thanks
Jatin
divij19 says
sir,
why cant we just pay 2000 in the next three years and show nothing in the first year
MikeLittle says
Why should year 1 results benefit from the use of that asset yet show no expense? The accepted accounting treatment is to show the true cost of the lease of the asset and charge it over those accounting periods that benefit from the use of that leased asset
faramental says
hello,
it is said that payable in arrears which also means pay in next year.
so, the first year is rent-free, meaning we dont have to pay anything in yr2.
but for yr2 payment, shouldnt it be paid in yr3?
therefore we should not credit bank 2000 in yr2?
correct me if im wrong
P2-D2 says
No, payment in arrears means payment at the end of the period. Therefore the payment in year two is made on the last day of the reporting period of year two.
Thanks
mahfuz87ctg says
Hello Chris,
I was doing one example for low value asset from Kaplan P-185. Solution is also provided there but for one year only. I have tried to do next two year with journal as well. Would you please let me know if my entry is correct if not please let me what would be the correct treatment.
Thanks.
Mohammad Alam
Example- On 1 April 20X6 Taggart acquires telephones for its sales force under a two-year lease agreement. The terms of the lease require an initial payment of $2,000, followed by two payments of $8,000 each on 31 March 20X7 and 31 March 20X8.
Required- Show the impact of this lease arrangement on the financial statements of Taggart for the year ended 31 December 20X6.
Solution-
Annual Lease rental= (Total Rental Payable/ Total Lease Period)
=($2,000+$8,000+$8,000) / 2 = $9,000 per Annum
Expense to 31 December 20X6 = $9,000 × 9/12 = $6,750
Double Entry-
Year 20X6
Dr Statement of Profit and Loss (Expense Increase) $6,750
Cr Accruals $4,750
Cr Bank $2,000
Year 20X7
Dr Statement of Profit and Loss (Expense Increase) $9,000
Dr Accruals $4,750
Cr Accruals $5,750
Cr Bank $8,000
Year 20X8
Dr Statement of Profit and Loss (Expense Increase) $2,750
Dr Accruals $5,750
Cr Bank $8,000
Financial statements extract:
Statement of Profit or Loss for the year ended 31 December
Lease rental Expense
20X6 ($6,750)
20X7 ($9,000)
20X8 ($2,250)
Statement of Financial Position as at 31 December
Current Liabilities- Accrual
20X6 $4,750
20X7 $5,750
20X8 Nil
Thanks
johann2018 says
Hello Sir,
What if there hadn’t been that incentive of rent-free period in the first year and we had to pay for all four years? how would it be recorded then?
P2-D2 says
Hi,
You would just have the cash paid each year being the same as the expense each year.
Thanks
nomadd says
sir
instead of crediting accruals
how about this
YEAR 1
DR SPL 1500
CR DISCOUNT RECEIVED 1500
YEAR 2
DR SPL 1500
DR DISCOUNT RECEIVED 500
CR BANK 2000
?
P2-D2 says
No, this is not an allowed accounting treatment.
nomadd says
Sir
one which side do we show ACCRUALS? on the asset side or liability in SFP?
P2-D2 says
Liability!
krisi says
Hello,
in the first example we record the lease rental as Cr. accruals. Why not a provision? What is the difference between a provision and an accrual?
Thanks.
P2-D2 says
Hi,
A provision is essentially accounting for uncertainty and is a liability of uncertain timing or amount. Here we know the amount and the timing of the payment hence why it is not a provision.
Thanks
anazoric says
Okay, thank you.
mohsin17222 says
Hi Sir, when we didn’t pay the 1st year rental then the liability which is recording of $1,500 is the next year payable amount or something else? Secondly, Per annum rental is $1,500 then in the 2nd year why we we record accrual $ 500 ?
Suppose that if any year payment couldn’t pay then what is the treatment of that year payment?
P2-D2 says
Hi,
The $1,500 recorded in the first year is an accrual and is released over the remaining years of the lease, so three year in this instance.
As you can see in the response to the post below, the accrual is reduced each year by $500.
If we couldn’t pay then we would record a payable for the $2,000 due, but still record the expense and reduction in the accrual.
Thanks
abiaccastudent says
hi sir, when we credited accrual in 1st yr after that we cr cash by 2000 if we didnt pay the lessor in first yr for the expense where did the 500 goes ?
P2-D2 says
Hi,
So in the first year we don’t pay any cash, but in the second year we will pay the $2,000 and process the following entry:
DR Expense 1,500
DR Accrual 500 (balancing figure)
CR Bank 2,000
So for each of the following years after the first year we are releasing the accrual.
Thanks
anazoric says
Hello,
This entry:
DR Expense 1,500
DR Accrual 500 (balancing figure)
CR Bank 2,000
Will it be the same (identical) for year 3 and 4?
Also, in the financial statement extract you did for SFP, you didn’t include any accounting for bank/cash. Why?
P2-D2 says
Hi,
Yes, it will be the same for the final two years (year 3 and 4).
We’ve not included and accounting for cash as we’ve not got any cash balance in the question to be able to adjust.
Thanks