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Sep 2016 QN 31

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  • November 29, 2016 at 12:16 pm #352353
    pk3
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    Hi
    In the Sep’16 paper on the ACCA site , for qn 31. I have not understood the working for deferred tax. Please help me !!

    November 29, 2016 at 12:53 pm #352364
    MikeLittle
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    Open 2 T accounts, 1 for DT and 1 for CT

    DT debit side

    8,400 balance carried forward

    DT credit side

    2,500 balance brought forward (per question)

    6,400 dt on reval of 32,000 + dt on 10,000 other balances (per question)

    500 missing balancing amount debit to DT and credit to CT

    CT debit side

    2,400 provision for tax on this year’s profits (per question)

    CT credit side

    1,100 balance brought forward

    500 transfer from DT account

    800 charge to statement of profit or loss

    I’m amazed that anyone can get confused with this type of exercise. I highly recommend that you try the mini-exercises towards the end oof the free F7 course notes – all the tax exercises are from past exam questions and they were ALL worth 4 or 5 marks

    You cannot afford to get these wrong and they are so EASY!!!

    November 29, 2016 at 1:45 pm #352385
    pk3
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    Thanks for the reply sir.
    But the values do not match with the question.
    Sep 2016 Triage Co.

    November 29, 2016 at 2:43 pm #352391
    MikeLittle
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    Well this is the answer to the question 31 from the September 2016 F7 exam:

    “Specimen Exam applicable from September 2016” is the heading on the front page and the address is:

    https://www.accaglobal.com/content/dam/acca/global/PDF-students/acca/f7/specimen/F7-specimen-s16.pdf

    So now you decide to give me another clue – the name of the question!

    Would that have been a good idea originally?

    November 29, 2016 at 2:54 pm #352394
    MikeLittle
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    Ok, here we go again – but it’s the same answer – just different amounts:

    Open 2 T accounts, 1 for DT and 1 for CT

    DT debit side

    3,960 balance carried forward (20% x (7,800 + 12,000))

    DT credit side

    3,200 balance brought forward (per question)

    1,560 dt on reval of 7,800

    800 missing balancing amount debit to DT and credit to CT

    CT debit side

    700 balance brought forward (per question)

    2,700 provision for tax on this year’s profits (per question)

    CT credit side

    1,100 balance brought forward

    800 transfer from DT account

    2,600 charge to statement of profit or loss

    OK?

    March 3, 2022 at 12:54 pm #649722
    nanisaid98
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    Hello sir,

    I want to ask where did you get the 7800 for balance carried forward? are you taking the amount from revaluation gain?

    But the amount of 1560 you take from revaluation gain too right?

    March 3, 2022 at 8:13 pm #649768
    P2-D2
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    Yes, this is the amount of the gain and the 1,560 is the tax upon it that will also be recognised through other comprehensive income.

    Thanks

    March 5, 2022 at 1:28 pm #649902
    nanisaid98
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    Why you need to use amount 7800 for two times? First you debit (20% x (7,800 + 12,000)) and then you debit (7800 x 20% = 1560) . I’m not quite understand

    March 8, 2022 at 8:35 am #650168
    P2-D2
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    Hi,

    Where do we use the figure above twice?

    Thanks

    March 8, 2022 at 9:10 am #650189
    nanisaid98
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    Deferred tax

    Provision required at 31 March 20X6:
    Revalued property and other assets (7,800 + 12,000) x 20%) 3,960
    Provision at 1 April 20X5 (3,200)
    –––––––
    Increase in provision 760
    Revaluation of land and buildings (7,800 x 20%) (1,560)
    –––––––
    Balance credited to profit or loss (800) –––––––

    Here is my question. First you calculate (7,800 + 12,000) x 20%), and then the same amount again used (7,800 x 20%). Why you need to calculate revaluation twice?

    March 8, 2022 at 9:30 am #650204
    P2-D2
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    Hi,

    So, what they are doing is to look at the overall movement in the deferred tax balance of 760. However, part of this movement is due to the revaluation of the PPE, and the deferred tax element of this will go through OCI and not profit or loss. To work out how much goes through OCI they look at the tax on the revaluation and remove this from the movement. The remainder of the movement will then go through profit or loss.

    It might help if we go back to first principles using debits and credits

    CR Deferred tax (increase) 760
    DR Tax (revaluation = 1,560 x 20%) 1,560
    CR Tax (profit or loss = balancing figure) 800

    Thanks

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