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Redeemable bonds

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  • This topic has 6 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 5 years ago by AvatarP2-D2.
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  • October 1, 2019 at 12:25 pm #547746
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    Good day.

    How do you go about choosing which % to use when calculating IIR? Is it a random guess?

    October 3, 2019 at 9:18 pm #548073
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    Hi,

    It is an educated guess, but if struggling then use 5% and 10%.

    Thanks

    November 11, 2020 at 5:06 pm #594745
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    Good Day
    Scenario: BB has some 5% loan notes in issue, which are redeemable in 3 years time at a premium of 12.5%. The current market value of the loan notes is $98.

    Using discount rates of 5% and 10% calculate YTM.

    Question: I am trying to understand why the $98 is seen as an outflow (-) and the payment of $5 for 3 years and premium of $112.5 is seen as inflows (+) as per the answer provided?

    As it’s an “issue” it is a liability which means we make the payment of 5 and 112.5 which are outflows (-)?

    Is my understanding correct or am I missing something?

    November 11, 2020 at 9:39 pm #594757
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    Hi Darryn,

    No, your not missing anything as the issue is an inflow, however to make life easier with the IRR we reverse all of the cash flows. Why?

    A normal project under IRR is an initial outflow and then a series of inflows. When we’ve done this and used 5% to calculate the NPV, if this gave us a positive number then we’d increase the discount rate to 10% in the hope the NPV is then negative. By switching the cash flows then we remain consistent with what we’ve done previously.

    If we left it the way the cash flows are, i.e. and inflow followed by a series of outflows, then if we started with 5% and it was negative we would then use 10% only to then find that it would be even more positive than the estimate at 5%.

    It’s a bit confusing but there is method in the madness.

    Thanks

    November 12, 2020 at 5:58 pm #594818
    Avatardarryn
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    Thanks alot for the quick feedback. Is confusing but I get it now. Thanks again

    February 24, 2021 at 12:24 am #611483
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    Formula

    i + 1/n (RV-NP) / 1/2 (RV+NP)

    i= coupon rate
    n= yrs
    RV= redeemable value
    NP= issue value

    February 28, 2021 at 11:26 am #612109
    AvatarP2-D2
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    Hi,

    You can use any formula you wish, provided that it is correct.

    Thanks

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