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  • December 3, 2013 at 5:50 pm #149871
    Chris
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    I think there was 115 basis points overall – so 3/5 of that would be 46 ticks – I think I actually divided by 3/4 and got 29 ticks – oops!

    December 3, 2013 at 5:50 pm #149872
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    Yes but as you were buying the part from yourself I.e the head office you would need to tax it.

    I may have misunderstood (which would be normal) but was sure the brought it from the parent company.

    December 3, 2013 at 5:52 pm #149874
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    I did the scary thing that tutors always tell us. Onc the time is up move on. I had set myself a time limit for the calculations in 1b. Once I got there I went to calculate 1c assuming a value for Pa. I did quite a few calculations for 1b, but did not complete the actual table at all. I then went on to write the complete report again assuming values for NPV. It was a very scary thing to do, but it gave me enough time to answer the assumption and risk bit as well as the WTO in full. I also hope that I will score the presentation marks, as I submitted a complete report, albeit that all my figures are made up.

    I then went on to Q3 where I got stuck in b) and c). In hindsight I should have chosen Hedging. But once you have started you can’t go back. In the last 15 minutes I then thought to cut my losses in Q3 and I went back to Q1 to finish the table for the NPV calculation, as I thought these were easier points.

    Q4 was great. I hope that it will save me and pull me through. It was pretty obvious there was going to be a Q on islamic finance, and the question gave us enough to answer there.

    So all-in-all it was scary to write the report based on fake figures as I ran out of time, I chose the optional question badly, but will hopefully scrape through because of Q4. Fingers crossed.

    December 3, 2013 at 5:55 pm #149879
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    How to calculate exercise price in Q2?

    December 3, 2013 at 5:57 pm #149880
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    I regret not reading the islamic article and not attempting q4 would had virtually guaranteed my pass. Arrgh!

    December 3, 2013 at 5:58 pm #149883
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    Q2 was a dream. Straight forward hedging. Did part a first and then moved on to q1 as wanted to get the calcs right in hedging before absorbing q1. I agree many working in q1. Would have thought at this level would not be a test of the speed of punching numbers in the calculator. Did my forward rates in w1. Discount factor was already given so no need to calc. So after remittance in $ adjusted for benefit of dtr of 5% and discounted at df given. Then worked out value of the put option using bsop. Ran out of time on report though. Stated the obvious and assumptions. Sadly did not have time to talk business risk and exchange and political risk. Agree way too much to ask in 90 mins.
    Q2 was type 3 i think. Asset betas were already given. So had to find average asset beta and regear to find be of the combined. Gearing was already given so used that. Calculated ke then wacc of the combined. Since question asked for fcff used that to calculate pv of years 1 to 4 and to perpetuity. Combined value post acq less value of individual cos gave value to equity. Was just about to state no of shares post acq so that can work out premiums when it was all over… πŸ™

    December 3, 2013 at 5:59 pm #149885
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    Q1:
    WTO: about free trade zones, tarrifs , promote trade etc
    NPV, fairly easy , include terminal value of project also around 1m npv as it makes sense cuz option will add additional value
    BSOP , Pa= sum of recipts , Pe = price, Put option

    Q2:
    Since Deposit so buy futures/ options
    Choose highest option intrest premium ie with 0.0003 one as its deposit
    FRA 3 – 4 (i dont remember months for sure)

    Q3)
    ASSET Beta already give so regear with weighted average mkt value of debt + equity
    calculate ke and kd was already given
    T1-T4 growth phase t5+ is annuity ie t5cash flow (1+g)/(wacc-g)
    extra return = current mkt value of both companies (shares*price) – new value
    Premium calculation (not sire tough)
    Shareprice of predator*100
    Premium balacing figure
    =Mkt value of target

    December 3, 2013 at 6:03 pm #149890
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    \what was question 4? i didn’t even read it . Was it all about Islamic Finance??, why didn’t i read it?

    December 3, 2013 at 6:05 pm #149892
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    q4 , was easy but i opted for q3 as q4 would took more time to read and consume information

    December 3, 2013 at 6:09 pm #149893
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    This was an indeed fair paper but I don’t think it was time tested before given to us bcos my opinion is that the examiner may not finish all that is req under 3hrs.
    Q1. I did all adjustments except adjusting for working capital, tax savings and sales values of assets.

    b part had an intricacy of adding the $28m to have a Pa of over $28m, so d1 will not end in negative. Saw that in BPP kit Q25.

    Q2 was also confusing with the 0.9% uncertainty.

    Wanted to attempt Q3 but had only 15mins left so opted for Q4 bcos of the attraction of c part.

    Hope I pass this.

    December 3, 2013 at 6:10 pm #149894
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    please tell question 4 is regarding wat i didnt read that was it on islamic finance i had lots of grip on that yaar i had a mess of question 2

    December 3, 2013 at 6:16 pm #149900
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    how do u calculate exercise price?

    December 3, 2013 at 6:22 pm #149903
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    For Q1. the special material bought from parent company in $…..seems that question do not tell the margin for the inter-company transaction….is it a nil profit trade? so no tax in home country?

    December 3, 2013 at 6:28 pm #149906
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    My strategy was to start with section B – chose questions and planned them in the reading time, then allowed 85 mins for writing them, 5 mins for reading Q1 and 90 mins to attempt it. This meant I couldn’t spend 2 hours on Q1 as others have mentioned (I had I bad experience of this in a different exam which I only just scraped through!)

    Q3 – okay on the whole I think
    Bit confused by the 30% vs 50% premium bit. They gave up 2 low-value shares, got a cash premium and then acquired a share in the new company that was worth loads more (something over $7 equity value from part a divided by 310 shares??) – the 50% premium seemed unnecessarily generous. Clearly I missed something there!!

    Q4 – okay on the whole too
    By my calculations it was better to sell as a going concern and the demerger wasn’t as good an option financially.
    I had the Islamic finance articles fresh in my mind and there were clues in the question pointing to a venture capital type of arrangement. Also mentioned loss sharing aspect.

    Q1 – obviously I didn’t finish although was quite pleased there was only a page of scenario to read compared to some of the mocks I have done. Also glad of easy working capital and straight line depreciation.
    Got down a few bits about role of WTO – I don’t remember the question asking for advantages and disadvantages though??
    Worked methodically through the NPV and should have done ok although who knows what mistakes I was oblivious to in my haste!
    Decided to focus on part d as it was more marks than part c so I left space in my ‘report’ to come back and moved onto assumptions etc. Then got as far as writing down equations for Black Scholes and starting to put values next to r, s, t etc. (not sure that will get me even a mark!!) and hastily wrote in the report that I hadn’t had time to value the option but assumed it would increase the NPV making it more worthwhile!!

    December 3, 2013 at 6:33 pm #149907
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    Hi Tutor ,

    Thanks a lot for all support during the study and revision phase:).

    Regards,
    RMR

    December 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm #149916
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    @zain23, there’s what’s called OFR (OWN FIGURE RULE), So pls don’t worry and relax.
    You are not marked wrong twice. So when you get a part wrong continue and the rest
    would marked right.
    Many thanks.

    December 3, 2013 at 7:00 pm #149921
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    I mess on Q 1 too and it took me almost 2 hours too to finish !

    December 3, 2013 at 7:15 pm #149928
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    Pa/Po = Value of Underlying asset = P.v Of Cash Inflows?
    Pe = P.v of Cash Outflows ?
    T = 2 Yrs?
    So it was like $28 & $35, which one is Pa & which one is Pe? Coz I got a call value(c) as negative, then put in the formula to get put, does it sounds about right? Hopefully, I get marks for the steps shown!

    December 3, 2013 at 7:20 pm #149933
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    Q4..for the demerger, what approach did people take? Break out the supermarket, calc the MV then compare to cash received from asset sale?

    December 3, 2013 at 8:23 pm #149956
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    Q1: I got NPV +$12m, put option
    In Q1, do you guys include the $200 as the income for the Parent company as well? Since it’s intra activities.
    What about the tax allowable depreciation? 10% every yr (st line) so tax saving is MP1250x10% x 25% tax rate=MP31.25 per year and last yr need to consider the MP500 sold and claimed the remaining tax allowable depn, am I correct?

    Q3: WACC 9%
    In Q3, part a), how do you guys calculate the value created?
    I used the whole combined company value x(1+g) ^4 then use this to calculate using dividend growth model FCF x(1+g) / r-g, r=WACC=9%. I also added the PV of synergy benefits to the value. Then I use the value of total co minus those two individual companies.

    Do you guys remember what number you came up with?

    Q2: got tricked… I thought the question mentioned basis risk now is 0… so i ignored the basis risk calculations πŸ™

    December 3, 2013 at 8:29 pm #149960
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    @Izabela
    do we calculate the benefit of dtr for 5%? As the parent co has lower tax rate. Shouldn’t we not take the 5%?

    December 3, 2013 at 8:35 pm #149962
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    So…. I believe it was easier than on June 2013 session. But – still I’m not sure if I will pass. Probably not as it is “killer” exam πŸ˜‰
    In Q1 I got negative NPV of the project … I thought I did something wrong but I left it as not having time to check where the error might be. So I was answering th question assuming my calculations are ok. I did Black-Scholes put option valuation. Well, maybe not commented it properly, but I was pretty sure my Cash flow calcs were wrong.
    Q3 – I think I got WACC of 8% (but maybe it was a rounding issue?). I wasn;t sure about premium in b) but I assumed it is the difference between: 1 share of $5.8 less 2 shares per $2.4, so $1.0 by 200 million shares. 50%-30% premium = 20% * 200 milion shares * $1 = $40m. I’m pretty sure it’s wrong but it’s the only thing I git in my mind at the exam with the time pressure and feeling that I failed Q calcs ;)))
    Q4 – I decided t do it only because few marks on Islamic finance that I was reading about last night (it was on tips to Dec 2013 exam!). Otherwise I’m not sure if I did a and b properly, it seemed that sale of supermarkets division was better. And that demerger doesn’t make sense. Probably I was wrong.
    So overall – 3rd attempt to pass this monster exam will be in June 2014. So far I’m enjoying the idea that I DON’T HAVE TO REVISE TO EXAMS any longer and I can read some normal novels (well… until May 2014 πŸ˜‰
    Good luck – with the results of P4 and with any other papers if you are going to take them this session!

    December 3, 2013 at 10:59 pm #149988
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    The paper was lonnnnnnnnnngggg.
    Qt 2. FRA 3-7 gave around 738,000 of interest, locked.
    Futures gave 768,000 and 732,000. March buy 32 contracts.
    Options with 94.50 strike were much lower. About 61,900 in premiums.
    Best choice Futures as equal chance of rising or falling rates hence better expected value. For maximin manager FRA slightly better.

    Qt3. M has Vd of around 507 Million. But Debt of combined firm does not make sense then at 40:60. AS N has no debt. This confused me a lot.
    WACC for 8.88% or so, Took 9%.
    NPV of firm much higher than combined market cap. So acquisition should go ahead.
    Changing from 30-50% increases cost by 96 million. Not a big deal if benefits realized.
    Can do 1 year commercial paper, increase % of cost paid with shares or combine with rolling over existing debt. Too small to do bond offering by itself.

    QT 1 i HAD 55 MINUTES TO DO THIS!
    A) WTO part was ok. Cannot remember what exactly they asked here. Any comments appreciated.
    B) 1) That was a long calculation for the 14 marks. I would not be surprised if the examiner threw in 16-17 max marks IE you can get full14 getting a few things wrong.
    Exchange rates are easy with 1.08/1.02 differential. Sales and Operating margin was tedious and no space on columns. NPV was marginal.
    2) Black scholes put option?. I had no clue how to calculate it., A lot of marks gone down the drain here. The reason is that I could not come up with Pe. There is nothing differed at this point.
    3) Assumptions and risks. Wrote them in bullet form but could not discuss anything. No time. Do we get points for that?

    Good luck to all.

    December 3, 2013 at 11:03 pm #149989
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    PE is the exercise price ( not discounted) which was the Β£28m PA was the Pv of cash flow from year 3to year 5, together with the other variable you had to calculate the d1 and d2 and the call option .. after that you had to value the put option ( option to withdrawn) , I came up with a negative value ….

    Anyone else used the same approach?

    December 3, 2013 at 11:29 pm #149993
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    USually Pe is the amount the company has to invest for it to be call option.
    This looks like a Put option setup. Just my opinion. I think I will be lucky to get 2 marks in that section.

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