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- December 7, 2011 at 8:01 am #90922AnonymousInactive
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@melly1982 said:
The general consensus is that time is a limiting factor to which I endorse. The paper was a challenging one…Question 1 in particular took some time to evaluate. I would like to know however if within question 1 part a. the evalution of the decision to stop the production of the X-IT immediately required a Black Scholes calculation since what I understood was that the decision could be one to abandon which is akin to a put option and would need a Black Scholes evaluation. ANY ONE INTERPETED THIS ALSO????I believe it was an APV calculation, especially as we were given enough enough information to ungear the equity beta. The loan subsidy was another clue.
December 7, 2011 at 8:51 am #90923..Im not an Expert but just a student – that paper was easy yet impossible for me to complete…. I think answering 3 questions in this paper will be more fair for us Students. I hope ACCA does something abt this in the future…otherwise the paper was simple just time pressured…
December 7, 2011 at 10:11 am #90924AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I agree…. the first time I’ve had to leave questions out of an exam. Time just disappeared! I fear another attempt in June will be necessary π
December 7, 2011 at 10:33 am #90925AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I found the paper challanging and time presssured. I attempted all questions and was strict with time allocation but had to leave them all unfinished… it’s frustrating when I know I was reasonably well prepared and would have done much better with more time or not so many questions…
December 7, 2011 at 11:20 am #90926AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I really appreciate the new examiner Shishir Malde. His question style for the past two sittings are very fascinating and they give new insight and very nice model answers, which I really enjoy. Yet the past sittings questions are quite time pressured and a bit unfair for people who can’t process information quickly.
But this time it’s a fair paper. I am hoping to read his model answers, I always get impressed to read his answers, clear and well explained, logical and to the point.
December 7, 2011 at 11:33 am #90927AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Shishir Malde also is an examiner who sticks to the P4 syllabus and not like Bob Ryan who’s tired of P4 syllabus and wish to show off and introduce higher level questions which are out of the syllabus at some time probably but I do not know the whole picture.
I think it’s really a balance to strike for ACCA to consider. If more minutes are added to administer the exam the fees for paying invigilators, premises, or even for the markers (because they will need to spend more time marking longer script) will be higher but we students will suffer more if we retake because we need to pay for tuition fees maybe, if not on self study, new book if syllabus revised etc and settle for lower pay again because of under qualified. Yet if ACCA wants to raise the bar on the quality of the affiliates through exam questions I sincerely think ACCA should include newer skills and knowledge forming just a small fair percentage of the exam questions and separately included as a 3 mark or so in a question so that well prepared students won’t get stuck in the middle of interpreting this hard element in order to continue the whole question therefore making them fail. And so that this proportion of knowledge act to distinguish excellent students from weaker students, but do not fail the ordinary, reasonably well prepared students. This will be included in revision kit question bank and let the students learn new insights, while staying within the P4 designated syllabus.
December 7, 2011 at 12:22 pm #90929AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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any possble answers that u guys recall?
Q2 on int rate..for options what was the exercise price? i left collar part blank =S
q1 u remember the cost of capital? and y was int rate for borrowing given? π
gd luck to u all! may we all pass!!!December 7, 2011 at 12:46 pm #90930AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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It was a piiiece of cake if well prepared,not my case π
Q1, Q2 were very typical.
Started from Q4, Q3, then Q2 (failed appr. 50% if the calculational part), then Q1. There only remained 40 minutes for Q1 part a so the bell rang just after i finished Gamala cash flow.
Hope for 50.December 7, 2011 at 3:43 pm #90931AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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My few cents worth of tots:
For the option, it a borrowers hedging. Just hedge against the upward movement and ignore the downwards. If rates goes downwards, all the better for borrower, why waste money on margin calls and premiums.For Q1 ; option to abandon can be valued using put option. I can’t remember if volatility is given. Anyway, you can just use the contribution’s NPV to evaluate. In financial management, anything can be use to evaluate. There is no black and white or right or wrong on what methods you use to evaluate as long as you hoghlight the weaknesses or pitfall of the evaluation method you use.
December 7, 2011 at 5:59 pm #90932AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I have a query that in question 1 under the requirements a note was there which mentioned to discount the operating cashflows through all equity rate and the remaining relevant flows with nominal rate so what does it meant and if someone got a wrong answer and he concludes in his report on the basis of that answer will the analysis part will also be incorrect?
December 7, 2011 at 8:01 pm #90933It was a fair exam.
Started from 4 then 3, 2 and 1.
Q2 was my best questions. Thanks OP for the tutoring on this subject.
Q1 was lengthy. Did not finish 3 but attempted all of 4.
I tried good time management.
Just want 50%. I am really tired of this paper.December 7, 2011 at 8:02 pm #90934Meant thanks OT (open tuition).
December 7, 2011 at 10:07 pm #90935Thank God for assisting me to make a very reasonable attempt. Also,open tuition helped me in many ways but the paper was fair and gave us a chance to pass this time round.
December 8, 2011 at 4:40 pm #90937AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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:'( disaster!!!!!!!
i dont want to sit a second attempt…December 12, 2011 at 9:59 am #90939AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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2nd Attempt but tried, hopefully the almighty God grants me success. pressure from the little time confuses that you fail 2 attempt what you knew. But i think this is the hardest paper in the ACCA qualification. May GOD grants us all success and Big thanks to open tuition.
December 12, 2011 at 2:11 pm #90941AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Q1 has so much information. But Q1 and Q2 are less lenthy than previous time so I think the examiner heard our words last time! Didn’t know what to do with Collar…Did Q4 and Q5. Forgot what Q4 about. Q5 TBL guess the Environmental and Social issues, didn’t get the ecnomic prosperity. Just hope for 50%. Thank God
December 13, 2011 at 3:45 pm #90942AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Little time for the questions. Only a robot could answer all the questions. I don’t know what is in their minds. It’s a shame
December 14, 2011 at 4:09 pm #90943AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Now I just thought had I answered Q1 at the end, I could make a better time management. as per the requirements concerned they were straight forward though Q5 (TBL) was unexpected at P4 level. there were 4 professional marks (easily achievable) + 8 marks for report writing of which at least 5-6 marks achievable if logical comments are made based on the calculations & shouldn’t take much time. q1 will always contain lots of info therefore will take lots of time to digest & answer. so a better strategy should be to attempt Q1 at the end cause then you know you don’t have to worry about the other Qs. I took the same approach when I did my P2 paper and achieved highest marks in all my acca papers. I don’t know why I didn’t follow this time, i was stupid.
December 15, 2011 at 6:48 am #90944is this paper suitable for self-study? with just materials online and study text?
December 15, 2011 at 4:56 pm #90945AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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P3 Has got project management, one of the tools I use to tackle all profesional papers is a crushing model for managing time and doing more in less time. I tried to crush by thinking while I was writing something and writing while i was thinking about something but my strategy failed this time. Thats a challange i like, we are really trained to be big FMs. May we pass at fiftys or fail at thirtys rather than fourtys! P4 is a heavy duty!
December 19, 2011 at 11:02 am #90946AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hats of to Prof. Malde! He has brought another fair but mostly time pressured paper.
But my advice to all sitting this paper is that you can not pass P4 without doing a lot of question practice under exam condition. The other sure way to fail is trying to find correct answers for all questions within the time allocated in the exam. This is impossible because you need at least least 7hours to do that.
All one needs to do is have a go at 100% of the paper within time allocated addressing all the examiner’s requirements and just hope one will be 50% correct.
I employed this strategy and just hope the minimum best result comes out.
I wish you all good luck and God’s blessings.December 22, 2011 at 12:51 am #90947AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Yes I am aware that APV was the method to be used to evaluate the FDI however there was a second requirement which was to evaluate the choice of immediately stopping the production of XIT…what method would be used then to evaluate this????
December 27, 2011 at 6:27 pm #90948AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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It was my 2nd attempt for P4, both times I was pretty certain of passing during the first half of the exam and then onwards disaster in time management. Failing in an exam coz it was difficult or something is not as depressing as this thing, not being able to put-in wat one knew coz of the time constraints. I don’t really like this examiner’s approach. He categorically pointed out abt the previous examiner, that his last papers were not do-able in the allotted time and now wat is he doing, he picks the longest of questions from past exam papers (hedgng questions in both the attempts and the MBO thing), or hints for questions in the magazine with the expectations that students will just reproduce the crammed-up solutions in the allotted time coz only then will such papers be doable in the given time if we just start putting ink to the paper with least involvement of the intellect. Both these papers posed more of a physical challenge rather than an intellectual one. I am sure if another hour was added to the time at-least 80% of the students who really came with a bit of preparation would have passed. I am already missing Bob Ryan. I am sure his papers didn’t cause this much depression cause thr seemed to be a lot of time to express watever fraction of his paper examinees did know π .
(And please no body give lecture about able to managing the time pressure and shit, coz I’ve been in the profession for over 7 yrs and have worked under bulliest of managers with an attitude just short of holding a gun to one’s head and even that was less time-pressured than this freakin P4)
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