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Mlima Co (6/13)

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  • This topic has 15 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated 7 years ago by John Moffat.
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  • May 5, 2015 at 9:45 am #244144
    chandhini
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    Sir, in the question,
    1) while calculating the ungeared cost of equity, why are we not considering the post tax cost of debt?

    2) not a doubt, just a clarification- since over herr, the co wants to redeem all of its debt, we are computing the value of the firm using the ungeared cost of equity (kei). But if thr company had intended on retaining the debt, then we would havr regeared the kei to find ke, and then compute WACC to discount the cash flows to find the value of the firm (in the usual manner), right?

    Thanks in advance πŸ™‚

    May 5, 2015 at 10:41 am #244150
    John Moffat
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    1) The examiner confuses a bit with his symbols πŸ™‚
    Kd is the return on debt to investors – i.e. pre-tax. (In fact, strictly it should be the risk-free rate which is always pre-tax)

    2) What you have written is correct

    May 5, 2015 at 2:27 pm #244175
    chandhini
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    So I should use the return to debt providers (ie, kd without considering tax) in the calculation of kei, right?

    Thanks once again sir! πŸ™‚

    May 5, 2015 at 3:57 pm #244189
    John Moffat
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    Yes πŸ™‚

    May 28, 2015 at 8:18 am #249742
    turnag
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    Sir, why do we use 1/(0.11-0.035) x 0.659 to calculate the discount factor for free cash flow after 4th year?

    Thanks.

    May 28, 2015 at 9:30 am #249776
    John Moffat
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    (47.6 x 1.035) / (0.11 – 0.035) is to discount the inflating perpetuity. (It is the dividend valuation formula, but it can be used for any inflating perpetuity.) The inflation is 3.5% and the cost of capital is 11%.

    However, because the perpetuity starts 4 years late, we then need to discount by 4 years at 11% to get the present value (which is what the 0.659 is, the 4 year discount factor at 11%)

    May 28, 2015 at 3:15 pm #249868
    vince
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    Hi Sir, the discount factor for year 6 to year 15 can i calculate using annuity factor for 15years @11% – annuity factor for 5years @11%?

    the answer provided is use 10 year annuity discounted for five years = 5.889 Γ— 0.593, which i don’t really understand.

    Thanks.

    May 28, 2015 at 3:43 pm #249887
    John Moffat
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    Yes you can – do it whichever way you find the most obvious for you.

    (The answer is usually a very tiny bit different using the two ways, but that is because the discount factors in the tables are rounded to 3 decimal places. That makes no difference in the exam – you still get full marks πŸ™‚ )

    May 28, 2015 at 3:48 pm #249896
    vince
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    Thank you very much πŸ™‚

    May 28, 2015 at 3:49 pm #249898
    John Moffat
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    You are very welcome πŸ™‚

    August 17, 2016 at 4:56 pm #333804
    kakahh
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    Hi John, I have some queries regarding to this question – Re calculating the value without undertaking the project.

    Why is there no adjustment to tax allowable depreciation? As this affects the tax calculation. Thanks

    August 18, 2016 at 6:05 am #333866
    John Moffat
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    It is because the question says that “it can be assumed that the current tax-allowable depreciation is equivalent to the amount of investment needed to maintain the current level of operations”.
    The operating profit is already after depreciation, and so the tax figure is correct. The depreciation does not need adding back because although it is not a cash flow, there is an equal cash outflow for new investment.
    It is something that the current examiner does very often.

    November 29, 2017 at 8:28 pm #419002
    Nirrvan
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    Hello John,

    In FCFe we deduct interest while calculating the free cash flows.

    In FCF we do not deduct interest while calculating the free cash flows.

    But in Mlima Co, we are using ungeared Ke. Doesn’t that mean we are doing the FCFe ? The requirement says to use the FCF methodology and the cost of capital calculated in part (i). And the latter is Ke ungeared.

    Please clarify.

    November 30, 2017 at 4:35 am #419074
    John Moffat
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    Using the ungeared Ke does not at all mean we are looking at the free cash flow to equity!!

    It is because we are using the Adjusted Present Value approach. Part (a) (i) is asking why we are using this approach, and Part (a) (ii) specifically asks you to use free cash flow (not free cash flow to equity) and to discount at the ungeared cost of equity – again an APV approach.

    (Even if we were using free cash flows to equity, we would not discount at the ungeared cost of equity – we would discount at the actual cost of equity!!!!)

    Have you watched my free lectures on APV?

    November 30, 2017 at 12:58 pm #419186
    Nirrvan
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    Ok got it.. that term for ungeared Ke got me confused.

    Hence we use that ungeared Ke in view to find the project’s base case NPV (without taking any debt into consideration).

    November 30, 2017 at 1:47 pm #419207
    John Moffat
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    That is correct. The debt is dealt with when we add on the tax saving on the debt afterwards.

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