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Mid year acquisition

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  • This topic has 13 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 5 years ago by P2-D2.
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  • January 22, 2016 at 8:54 pm #297431
    Ema
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    Hi sir,
    Can you please tell me the adjustments of profit and retained earnings when there is mid year acquisition. As there are some confusions in my mind while doing question related to this.

    January 23, 2016 at 5:59 pm #297610
    MikeLittle
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    Ema, there are examples within the course notes. There are examples where I work through past exam questions within the “Revision lectures” pages on this F7 site

    You’re asking a question that involves me typing out a lecture! That’s unreasonable.

    Please, identify a particular point where you’re getting lost and I’ll help you but ….

    ….. in the case of a mid-year acquisition, we need to find the subsidiary’s retained earnings as at date of acquisition. Therefore, we need to time-apportion this year’s results.

    If that’s not enough for you, then please identify a particular point that is worrying you

    January 23, 2016 at 9:38 pm #297638
    Ema
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    I actually wanted to ask that when there is mid year acquisition When doing w-3 Con Ret Earns we need to take profit of the months after the acquisition and Ret earns of pre acquisition?

    January 24, 2016 at 9:31 am #297672
    MikeLittle
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    The time allocation of this year’s subsidiary profits takes place as early as working W2 Goodwill

    We need to know the subsidiary fair valued net assets as at date of acquisition so that equals share capital + reserves at date of acquisition. Just concentrate for the moment on the subsidiary retained earnings figure

    At the start of this current year there was an amount in the subsidiary retained earnings brought forward and, because we were not involved with the subsidiary at the start of the year, that brought forward figure is 100% pre-acquisition.

    This year, though, we bought into the subsidiary so this year’s subsidiary profits need to be apportioned between the pre-acquisition period and the post-acquisition period.

    The element that is pre-acquisition is included within the working W2 Goodwill calculation because that element of pre-acquisition profit is added on to the subsidiary’s retained earnings figure brought forward.

    The post-acquisition element of this year’s subsidiary profits is the bit achieved by the subsidiary whilst under our control and we want to incorporate our share of those post-acquisition profits into the consolidated retained earnings figure

    Is that any clearer?

    January 24, 2016 at 2:32 pm #297708
    Ema
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    Yes sir Its clear now.

    Mini Question no 1:
    From where did you get the value of Net assets at the date of acquisition equal to $2.5m?
    Mini Question no 8:
    In this question Ret Earns of 6 months are taken I don’t get what have you done in that calculation It is written Like this (21000+2000/2)?

    January 24, 2016 at 4:05 pm #297709
    Ema
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    Also In Mini Question no 13
    In retained earnings from where 100 came?

    Mini Question no 15
    We take profit of post acquisition and that is added to retained earnings. But in this question we are taking pre acquisition profit. why?

    January 24, 2016 at 4:53 pm #297712
    MikeLittle
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    “From where did you get the value of Net assets at the date of acquisition equal to $2.5m?” The words Nci investment is one line too high and should be against the 2,500,000 and NA 2 doa should also be one line lower and written against 14,500,000

    January 24, 2016 at 5:02 pm #297716
    MikeLittle
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    “In this question Ret Earns of 6 months are taken I don’t get what have you done in that calculation It is written Like this (21000+2000/2)?” The domain name was recognised only with effect from date of acquisition so amortisation has been charged only with effect from that date. It had a fair value of 20 million and a 5 year life. Annual amortisation will be 4 million. But acquisition took place only half way through the year, so only half a year’s worth of amortisation will have been charged.

    To find the annual profit before the amortisation, we need to add back that 2,000, then divide by two to get 6 months’ profits pre-acquisition of 11,500 and then deduct the 2,000 from the post-acquisition 11,500 to arrive at 9,500 post-acquisition

    Better?

    January 24, 2016 at 5:13 pm #297721
    MikeLittle
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    “Also In Mini Question no 13
    In retained earnings from where 100 came?” – similar to question 8 – it’s the extra depreciation required on the leased property increase in value for half a year. 4,700 is after charging that additional 100 so, without that extra 100, loss for the full year would only have been 4,600.

    Therefore loss for the first 6 months would have been 2,300 and loss for the second six months would be 2,400 giving a total loss for the year of 4,700

    January 24, 2016 at 5:17 pm #297722
    MikeLittle
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    “Mini Question no 15
    We take profit of post acquisition and that is added to retained earnings. But in this question we are taking pre acquisition profit. why?”

    Sadly, you’ve misinterpreted the previous answers. We take the pre-acquisition element and add to retained earnings. It just so happens that in the previous examples the mid-year acquisition date was exactly half way through the year.

    Think about those retained earnings! The full amount brought forward is pre-acquisition. But so too is the profits achieved in the pre-acquisition period. So it’s the PRE-acquisition profits that are added to retained earnings in the working W2 Goodwill calculation

    January 25, 2016 at 10:35 am #297805
    Ema
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    Understood the above explanations and my mistakes too thanks !

    January 25, 2016 at 11:37 am #297809
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    You’re welcome

    September 13, 2019 at 8:42 pm #546049
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    good evening sir i have a question from december 2013 question 1 i want to know why post acquision losses is added back to net asset of the subsidiary

    September 14, 2019 at 7:56 am #546099
    P2-D2
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    Hi,

    Losses will reduce the retained earnings, and therefore the net assets. To get back to the net assets at the acquisition date these losses that have reduced the net assets will need to be added back to increase the net assets to what they previously were before the losses were incurred.

    Thanks

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