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June 15 Cloud part (b)

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  • This topic has 7 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 4 years ago by Stephen Widberg.
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  • October 27, 2018 at 12:26 pm #479943
    sss111
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    After writing down the steel from $8m to $6m, why should Cloud reclassify an equivalent $2m from equity to profit or loss ?

    Plus in this case,
    does equity mean “revaluation reseve” and
    profit or loss mean “retained earnings” ?

    Thank you for your help!

    October 30, 2018 at 9:20 pm #480284
    P2-D2
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    Hi,

    Cloud have designated the steel as the hedging item in a cash flow hedge. Therefore when the item changes in value, an equivalent amount is reclassified from OCI to profit or loss to offset the amounts in profit or loss.

    The equity refers to the cash flow hedge reserve, whilst any impact on profit or loss will hit retained earnings.

    Thanks

    August 30, 2020 at 12:39 pm #582723
    misbahkiran
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    Hi Sir

    Good day

    My question is with change in value of steel Value, don’t we need to check hedge effectiveness, as gain in OCI is 3 and Loss on inventories is 2, so on May x4 we will reclassify ineffective portion to Profit and loss that is only 1 million and on sale in April 20×5 we will reclassify remaining 2 million from OCI to Profit and loss.

    As per my understanding We need to keep hedge reserve to lower of accumulated fair value change of hedged item or hedge.

    on I may X4

    DR profit and loss 2million
    Cr inventory 2million

    Dr OCI 1 million
    Cr profit and loss 1 million
    being ineffective portion

    On April 20×5

    we will

    DR OCI. 2
    Cr Profit and Loss 2
    Reclassification entry

    Dr cash 6.2
    Credit Sale 6.2

    Please correct my understanding if I am wrong as in BPP they reclassify 2 million on 1may X4.

    August 31, 2020 at 1:50 pm #582849
    Stephen Widberg
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    Before I forget to say please make sure that in the exam when they ask you to explain that you do not just write down the journals – they will not get credit! That is why you generally do not see journals in the printed answers.

    Before the steel was purchased a gain on the derivative was correctly recognised in OCI. If the gain on the derivative has been greater than the loss on the underlying at that time then some of the gain of that on the derivative would go to profit and loss. But we are not told anything about that.

    Once the steel is purchased I would normally have recycled the gain to profit and loss. It seems to me that in the suggested answer they don’t want to recycle the gain until the steel is sold or decreases in value. Not what I personally would’ve done.

    Keep it simple in the exam.

    August 31, 2020 at 2:22 pm #582854
    misbahkiran
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    Thanks alot sir.. I noted your advice

    so actually we hedge the purchase of inventory. so at the time of purchase we need to settle the instrument right? so your point is we should recycle at the time of purchase. its not clear in this question but I am asking logic.

    and if they want to hedge the fair value of inventory it shouldn’t be cashflow hedge.

    You are really a great help for me. God bless you

    September 1, 2020 at 1:51 pm #583008
    Stephen Widberg
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    What you are saying is correct. Recycle when the inventory is purchased.

    And if you have some existing inventory and are worried about the fair value changing then you would have a fair value hedge

    September 1, 2020 at 8:53 pm #583058
    misbahkiran
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    Thanks alot sir. 🙂

    May God bless you.

    September 2, 2020 at 1:18 pm #583122
    Stephen Widberg
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    🙂

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